Blackpool (H)

[tomski]

7 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

But it’s not questioning under achievement (I’ve often questioned him) with some fans it’s gone beyond that, almost a pathological hatred of him, I’ve said it all along if we all pull together we can do this… constant sniping every defeat (radio silence when we win) is utter bollocks. 

I agree with the sentiment to be fair. I do find that those who back Evatt though it’s quite an emotive subject and people get a bit touchy about it. 

I could easily argue that we could just get rid and all will repair.

I didn’t want to do this after a win but it’s slightly disappointing to have the ‘I told you so’ attitudes of backing the manager. We should be able to enjoy the win as one but some people (not actually you) need to get a bit on the soap box.
 

[Cheese]

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Yeah with his left foot for Dion's missed header. Probably a little too much pace on it to be honest.

Should've scored from his cross that Collins put onto the crossbar.

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, tomski said:

I agree with the sentiment to be fair. I do find that those who back Evatt though it’s quite an emotive subject and people get a bit touchy about it. 

I could easily argue that we could just get rid and all will repair.

I didn’t want to do this after a win but it’s slightly disappointing to have the ‘I told you so’ attitudes of backing the manager. We should be able to enjoy the win as one but some people (not actually you) need to get a bit on the soap box.

Works both ways. The ardent Evatt-outers were claiming he'd lost the dressing room a fortnight ago. He very clearly hasn't.

Edited November 24 by Cheese

[tomski]

5 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Works both ways. The ardent Evatt-outers were claiming he'd lost the dressing room a fortnight ago. He very clearly hasn't.

I think it’s 2 different things. I certainly (can’t speak for everyone else) wouldn’t come on here giving it ‘you all need to give your heads a wobble’ etc. 

Still see the issues long term. Whether he’s lost the dressing room or not. I’ve no idea. I still think he’s a manager who won’t get us promoted. Nothing changes.

Yesterday in isolation was brilliant though for balance.

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, tomski said:

I think it’s 2 different things. I certainly (can’t speak for everyone else) wouldn’t come on here giving it ‘you all need to give your heads a wobble’ etc. 

Still see the issues long term. Whether he’s lost the dressing room or not. I’ve no idea. I still think he’s a manager who won’t get us promoted. Nothing changes.

Yesterday in isolation was brilliant though for balance.

Nobody has said "you all need to give your heads a wobble" or anything of the sort. And nobody is claiming yesterday resolves everything or anything. I think most of us are frustrated with the catastrophic collapse in performance we seem to suffer now and then.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Yet Evatt himself said some players weren't training hard enough. That's clearly an indication that things aren’t all well, even if if some things are.

A win or a player signing a contract doesn't mean everything is rosy neither.

Players turning things round yesterday showed there is still some desire in there too.

As usual, it is framed as a black and white issue by the odd few, when it isn't.

 

[1969]

Maybe today is not the day to be discussing IE but here's my opinion 

Do I want him gone - yes

Do I want us to lose so he's sacked -no

Will I renew if not promoted and he's still in charge - no

Has he lost the dressing room - doesn't look like it

Also imo he's here until the season ends 

Will I still throw my toys out the pram when we lose- yes(depends on performance)

Do I think we will go up -no

[Cheese]

5 minutes ago, 1969 said:

Maybe today is not the day to be discussing IE but here's my opinion 

Do I want him gone - yes

Do I want us to lose so he's sacked -no

Will I renew if not promoted and he's still in charge - no

Has he lost the dressing room - doesn't look like it

Also imo he's here until the season ends 

Will I still throw my toys out the pram when we lose- yes(depends on performance)

Do I think we will go up -no

Even the best football teams lose matches. Admitting you'll "throw your toys out of the pram when we lose" because you want the manager to get sacked is a bit mental. I don't believe for one second you'd keep your toys in the pram if we played well but lost.

Edited November 24 by Cheese

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, 1969 said:

Maybe today is not the day to be discussing IE but here's my opinion 

Do I want him gone - yes agree 

Do I want us to lose so he's sacked -no agree but there are some that do which is mad

Will I renew if not promoted and he's still in charge - no disagree was here before him will be here after him

Has he lost the dressing room - doesn't look like it not sure here lnot 'lost' as such but clearly some issues with some players attitudes

Also imo he's here until the season ends 

Will I still throw my toys out the pram when we lose- yes(depends on performance) you big baby 😎😂😘

Do I think we will go up -no on the dance here. Despite how poor we have been we are right up there. Dempsey back in  midfield of him tomo and Sheehan won't be far away if the front players can turn misses into goals. 

Added my comments 

[boltonboris]

First half was an absolute shambles. Genuinely thought there was no way back from it. We didn’t win a single tackle or header. We weren’t tracking runners and had this weird Wheel shape with a couple of sixpence in the middle that had nobody to pass to. I’d have sacked him at Half Time

But goals change games. A goal out of nothing completely changed the landscape of the match and whilst we still didn’t play well, we played with more aggression and intensity and ultimately that won us the game. 

Tutu made a difference when he came on. I’ve always defended Cogley, but he was as shit as he’s been yesterday and warrants dropping for a while. 

The 3-4-3 does not work. We have not played well at any point using it. It’s messy, gives the oppo too much ball, too much territory and we resort to hoofball with no ability to win the ball high. With no extra man in midfield we also lose every second ball. It’s shambolic. 

Anyway, a good win in the end but performances like that aren’t sustainable

[1969]

10 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Even the best football teams lose matches. Admitting you'll "throw your toys out of the pram when we lose" because you want the manager to get sacked is a bit mental. I don't believe for one second you'd keep your toys in the pram if we played well but lost.

That's why I said depends on performance.Good to see you still edit post to suit your argument 

[boltonboris]

2 hours ago, desperado said:

Asked the same question earlier, I’m not sure. Looking at Bens vlog I don’t think there is any microphone communications between Ref and Linesman. It looks like ref is happy to give it, then sees the delayed flag, then disallows it.

Wrong decision for me, as Vic doesn’t seem to be impeding the keepers view.

Initially I thought he’d flagged due to the initial cross where Collins was offside. The defender headed it away into Charles’ path due to the striker being behind him. So an argument that Collins is interfering with play. Wigan scored a goal like that here last season. Striker miles offside, cross went towards him, but our defender put the ball out for a corner which they scored from. 
 

if it is the eye line of Vic and the Keeper, there should have been more consultation between the ref and liner. Poor officiating all round. 

[masi 51]

53 minutes ago, Ani said:

Anyone turning up to a game with such a banner is a prick, You can invent some story about how it could some type of father and son rite  of passage to manhood but it is still something done by pricks. 

I have not seen if it is two adults or a dad with his kid........Yes it makes one hell of a difference

I am not inventing a story it was a quote from W. Cramp

If its two blokes they need to give there heads a wobble.....I have not seen the banner so i have no idea who it is

[1969]

12 minutes ago, Ani said:

Added my comments 

That's fair enough.At least you replied  to the actual points I made 

[Cheese]

1 minute ago, 1969 said:

That's why I said depends on performance.Good to see you still edit post to suit your argument 

I editted my own post.

So if we play well against Cambridge, but lose 2-0, you won't spit your dummy out? Give over.

[1969]

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

I editted my own post.

So if we play well against Cambridge, but lose 2-0, you won't spit your dummy out? Give over.

Nope.I'll be  pissed off as most will but I'll cling onto the toys 

[Ani]

7 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I editted my own post.

So if we play well against Cambridge, but lose 2-0, you won't spit your dummy out? Give over.

Can we play well and lose 2-0 to Cambridge ? 

[Cheese]

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

Can we play well and lose 2-0 to Cambridge ? 

Yes. That's football, and most sports really. You can play shit and still win, or play well and still lose.

Edited November 24 by Cheese

[frank_spencer]

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

Can we play well and lose 2-0 to Cambridge ? 

Concede early on, batter them from then on, they hit on the counter in the 93rd minute when everyone is balls out to get the equaliser 

[Ani]

I think if we play well by our standards we beat Cambridge easily.

 

On a separate note forgot yesterdays winner came from keeper throwing ball out quickly. 

[ianofcleveleys]

5 hours ago, desperado said:

Asked the same question earlier, I’m not sure. Looking at Bens vlog I don’t think there is any microphone communications between Ref and Linesman. It looks like ref is happy to give it, then sees the delayed flag, then disallows it.

Wrong decision for me, as Vic doesn’t seem to be impeding the keepers view.

If the ref was initially happy to give it then deferred to linesman, surely to God it wasn't because linesman thought Vic was in keeper's line of sight, how can he judge that from a 90 degree angle? If ref, who was looking straight at it, hadn't given it as offside it should have stood. 

Typical of the incompetence of the officials all round though, they were woeful

[desperado]

19 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

If the ref was initially happy to give it then deferred to linesman, surely to God it wasn't because linesman thought Vic was in keeper's line of sight, how can he judge that from a 90 degree angle? If ref, who was looking straight at it, hadn't given it as offside it should have stood. 

Typical of the incompetence of the officials all round though, they were woeful

From the little evidence we can view, I do think that is the chain of events. While there is a pause both before the flag, then the referee disallowing it (which is why we were all celebrating without realising) it’s not that much of a pause for a microphoned (if indeed they were using this) conversation to check both their perspectives.

Yet more evidence for me that it was a poor, ill-thought out decision.  

[Wanderlust]

I thought we were terrible in the first half and our poor movement and passing made it easy for Blackpool to close us down and regain possession. Often seems that we can’t cope with pressure and then we help the opposition out even more by gifting them the ball and making errors - as though we compound our problems by creating more.

Altogether different team second half.

At one nil down somebody asked what Evatt’s excuse will be, but after George’s equaliser I was thinking it  might be “we wuz robbed” because we played well.

That winner lifted the whole experience but my God, we didn’t do ourselves any favours in getting it.

Evatt is not wrong in his assessment  - the players need to start playing from the off and ideally score first.

[FrancisFogarty]

8 hours ago, Rizlar said:

Problem with Vic he regularly is given offside he doesn’t look down the line but then again lots of players are guilty of it . 
He was interfering with play as soon as the ball hit the net the flag went up. 

Once Vic gets a head of steam up he's off and always likely to get flagged. But then it takes him longer to stop and turn than it takes my Mrs. in our car.

[Ani]

Btw has anyone mentioned their kick off after we scored ? Lad just passed it out of play when you assumed there would be a big ball into the box