Traf Posted September 14, 2008 Share Posted September 14, 2008 Thank you. What did you disagree with? Cahill, Elmander and Taylor? Can only be Taylor you disagree with? Anyway, I'll get over the disappointment My take on it is this, Bolty: You're not as bright as Casino thought because you're surprised folk are writing us off after 3 games! I might have misread it, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Members bolty58 Posted September 14, 2008 Members Share Posted September 14, 2008 Cheers Traf. As a numb coont then, I'll also surmise that Cassie doesn't agree with my comments about the manager (who he seems to defend at every turn). I ain't a rabid 'Mugson out' man, I am just arriving at the conclusion that if you insist on dancing on a trapdoor, one day you'll fall through it. I can't see us being anywhere other than in the bottom 6 or 8 ever under Gary Megson. IMO it is only a question of when Megson goes rather than if. The lad ain't got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ands1 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Exactly.We managed to find a better manager than Gary Megson when we were last in the 3rd Division. I found out we had appointed Rioch by seeing it on Ceefax on the tele in the London branch of Sportspages bookshop.I couldn't believe we'd got someone of that quality after a decade of shite. Where was i when i heard Megson had got the job?No idea,it meant eff all. Yep, I was a little 17 year old back then, I was in a Car Valetting bay when one of the lads mentioned Rioch was the new manager, could,nt wait to get home & tell me dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Exactly. We managed to find a better manager than Gary Megson when we were last in the 3rd Division. I found out we had appointed Rioch by seeing it on Ceefax on the tele in the London branch of Sportspages bookshop.I couldn't believe we'd got someone of that quality after a decade of shite. Where was i when i heard Megson had got the job?No idea,it meant eff all. When we appointed Rioch it was a brilliant piece of forward thinking, the Megson appointment was backward thinking he was and never will take us forward, we should have gave him a short term contract with a whopping bonus to keep us up, then when that was achieved, we should have moved him on, and approached a forward thinking young manager with a decent track record, ie Michael Laudrup, we are now stuck with a manager who picks mcann/nolan and o'brien in the same team week in week out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HR Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 The point is I dont think anyone particularly likes Megson, least of all his style of play. What alternatives are available to progress the club forward? This isnt Allardyce's era, at the time he was in charge Newcastle, Villa, City etc were clueless and we could always have a fiar crack at beating them. Now half the Prem is owned by people with hundreds of millions (even Wigan) and our owner hasnt exactly been backwards in supporting the club financially. No matter what Megson does the fans will never get behind him, the frustrating thing is like someone else pointed out, things will have to get a whole lot worse for Gartiside to see this, even relegation wont see the back of him me thinks. I think Gartside did a master stroke in bringing him in, a manager who will get you through a difficult time and he did well to keeep us up. Now the club needs to move forwards and whichever way you look at it, were going backwards but we have been for the past 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 oh aye, and you wanted rid of allardyce The last 2 years of Allardyce we were becoming very predictable, he probably had burnt himself out with the constant round of media self gratification and battling for more money from the board, so I was not to dissapointed when he left, however we were well set as a club to employ a big name manager to carry us forward for a few more years, the 2 subsequent appointments have been flawed and show a major lack of ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Wanderer Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 ........whichever way you look at it, were going backwards but we have been for the past 3 years. I think you have hit the nail on the head there. Win a few games and it will be Megson for England, but that does not hide the fact we have hit a wall and look like a club that has/will not progress for quite some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onefinfrandsen Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 To win games of football the idea is to impose yourself on the opposition[ fulham did that on saturday] . in the 2 away games to date we have just turned up and hoped to defend for a draw, just look at the midfield megson put out on sat. it aint good enough get rid now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smiley Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 4 league games... 3 goals up in first half against Stoke - comfortable win - MEGSON's FAULT? Defeat at Newcastle after Bolton had dominated for large periods and had missed a pen and plenty of "easy" chances. Thus, defeat snatched from the jaws of victory - MEGSON's FAULT? A goalless draw at home to WBA - MEGSON's FAULT? Defeat at Fulham, who have started the season brightly with all their new signings (guess they are still a richer club than us?) - MEGSON's FAULT? Easy to blame him, but from those 4 games, I'd only attribute 2 of them to being negative. If we are starting to "play by the form book" - well, we normally lose at Newcastle, usually draw at home to WBA and normally lose at Fulham. FACTIMUNDO. I spotted it from the off on Saturday and made comment that whilst we used to get away with playing it long to Davies/Pedersen, etc - the 2nd ball was quite often picked up by Okocha, Stelios, Diouf or Djorkaeff - someone with a bit of creativity. Now it drops to McCann, Nolan or O?Brien and my heart sinks! And its all well and good saying we should be able to "get by" without 3 of our key players - do you think Utd are "getting by" without Ronaldo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big_Girl_Oral_Explosion Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I think that needs to be tempered by considering who we are unable to field. Have always believed Megson to be a particularly unambitious and negative appointment but been prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt. That benefit will expire 12 games in. Before anyone asks who I would replace him with, the truth is, I don't know. I'd probably give Curbishley a go (if he'd come up north). Wasn't that long ago he was in the running for the England job. Agreed, anyone needs 12 games into a season before judgment. Don't panic yet. My beef with him is his signings - to me they all look Championship class, buts thats only my opinion. there are folk on here only too quick to slag off Diouff, Campo, Stelios etc but they had more quality than those brought in. As for a replacement there is one one option - BSA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wovlad Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 My beef with him is his signings - to me they all look Championship class, buts thats only my opinion. there are folk on here only too quick to slag off Diouff, Campo, Stelios etc but they had more quality than those brought in. As for a replacement there is one one option - BSA! Cahill is quality as is Steinson, Taylors not to bad either. Muamba looks like he can be a player to The negatives Cohen ( who cost us nowt ) & Shittu who is just like it says on his shirt. BSA I would have back tomorrow because he's just a far better manager than Megson, but he made some ricks in the transfer market to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cbwfcd Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 My beef with him is his signings - to me they all look Championship class, buts thats only my opinion. Cahill is quality as is Steinson, Taylors not to bad either. Muamba looks like he can be a player to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onefinfrandsen Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 The 3 goals against stoke flattered us, but for joey getting injured v wba then riga would not have played and we would not have created anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic legs Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I am just arriving at the conclusion that if you insist on dancing on a trapdoor, one day you'll fall through it. I can't see us being anywhere other than in the bottom 6 or 8 ever under Gary Megson. The point is I dont think anyone particularly likes Megson, least of all his style of play. What alternatives are available to progress the club forward? Thats the Catch 22 we are in unfortunately. Unless we get bought by some moneybags I can't see it changing either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 other than in the bottom 6 or 8 ever under Gary Megson. The way football is going with billionaire owners and such, I can't see any manager making that much difference to take us beyond bottom 6-8 - so would we be sacking a manager every season? Bolton are a championship club with championship crowds - our best ever season we avgd 25,000. This is as good as it will get for us unless someone in Bolton becomes a billionaire. Personally, i'd rather be scrapping in the bottom 8 every year in the Prem, than scrapping in the top 8 of the championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeDee Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Personally, i'd rather be scrapping in the bottom 8 every year in the Prem, than scrapping in the top 8 of the championship Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Bear Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Personally, i'd rather be scrapping in the bottom 8 every year in the Prem, than scrapping in the top 8 of the championship and here's whats fundamentally wrong with football today.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Why? Because I'd rather the club was earning ?40m a year than ?8m, because I'd rather see players like Elmander, Cahill and Muamba coming to us rather than Rob Hulse, Rob Earnshaw, Lee Carsley etc. Because nothing beats the joy of being an underdog and beating one of the big boys Because I love being slagged off all year by the 'experts' and then sticking it right up their arse in May That's why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 and here's whats fundamentally wrong with football today.. I agree completely, it's shite that this is a goal.... but that's just the way football is. Look at Leicester, Leeds, Southampton, Coventry. I'd rather be in our shoes than theirs. If there was negligable financial difference between the two, then of course I'd love to be winning promotion and winning most games - but today money talks, and I'd rather have a chair under my arse when the music stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Bear Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I agree completely, it's shite that this is a goal.... but that's just the way football is. Look at Leicester, Leeds, Southampton, Coventry. I'd rather be in our shoes than theirs. If there was negligable financial difference between the two, then of course I'd love to be winning promotion and winning most games - but today money talks, and I'd rather have a chair under my arse when the music stops. don't want to piss on your parade but football is an entertainment business.. were you entertained on saturday? i personally cringed how poor we were.. sorry but megsons style isn't working and displays like saturday hardly make you eager for next week.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 football is an entertainment business.. It's a business. Business is about making money. To make money, you have to be in the Premiership or be in the Championship with a very low wage budget. I dont like it, I'm not a fan of it. But that's the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Bear Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 It's a business. Business is about making money. To make money, you have to be in the Premiership or be in the Championship with a very low wage budget. I dont like it, I'm not a fan of it. But that's the way it is. its sport.. an entertainment business.. we are FAR from entertaining.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeDee Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 The bottom line is that I go to the match to be entertained and to try and see us win. Nowadays we dont even try to win. And if your goal is Because I love being slagged off all year by the 'experts' and then sticking it right up their arse in May then i'm affraid that is just plain f?cking sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rembrandt Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 No red herrings at all, mart. 1. We seem to fare very badly away at Fulham, end of. I think we've got 2 pts from the last 9 games away against them. 2. Yes Okocha did turn out OK, but it was early days and he struggled. Who's to say Muamba won't be decent? PS I'm not comparing the 2, FFS! Sorry, Traf. The problem isn't waiting for Muamba to mature a little, or waiting for Elmander to return & fit in, or waiting for Riga to get some Prem experience. That we could all live with for a month or two. The problem is McCann, JOB and even Nolan walking into the team every week and having little if anyhting to put in their place. Oh, and having Shittu as back up. That's not down to playing a bogey team or lack of Prem experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyler Durden Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 The bottom line is that I go to the match to be entertained and to try and see us win. Nowadays we dont even try to win. And if your goal is then i'm affraid that is just plain f?cking sad. Again you aren't reading my posts. You asked for reasons why I'd rather be in the prem than the champ, and I gave you them. I did not say that was my goal in life or why I like football. Would you like me to type in French/Italian/Spanish for you instead? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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