That second half performance against a relegated team who would shy out of any 50/50 due to a pending cup final was arse - and I don't care if it was a end of season nothing to play for match.

like megson he did the job asked of him

 

 

spelled it out for you

 

the logical next step is that the abuse will begin

 

isn't it?

 

no because unlike with Megson most people aint looking for the first excuse to publicly hang him. Most didn't want Megson in the first place so at the very first sign of it going tit's up people jumped on it. With Coyle most people are happy with the appointment whether a bit misguided or not and I think 90% of people will be willing to give him time to work with the club before going over the old cycle of a few bad results followed by the sheet brigade.

no because unlike with Megson most people aint looking for the first excuse to publicly hang him. Most didn't want Megson in the first place so at the very first sign of it going tit's up people jumped on it. With Coyle most people are happy with the appointment whether a bit misguided or not and I think 90% of people will be willing to give him time to work with the club before going over the old cycle of a few bad results followed by the sheet brigade.

 

 

kinda agree with this.

 

this wasnt megsons fault, but he certainly didnt help help himself.

 

i think coyle has learnt from megson's mistakes (if thats possible) and blows as much smoke as is humanly possible up fans arses.

Edited April 26, 201016 yr by HomerJay

kinda agree with this.

 

this wasnt megsons fault, but he certainly didnt help help himself.

 

i think coyle has learnt from megson's mistakes (if thats possible) and blows as much smoke as is humanly possible up fans arses.

 

 

Thats probably the case but I like to think he remembers how the club was under Rioch and is trying to bring that back and to be fair when he was first appointed there was a buzz around the club with the fans like i've not seen since the Burnden days.

kinda agree with this.

 

this wasnt megsons fault, but he certainly didnt help help himself.

 

i think coyle has learnt from megson's mistakes (if thats possible) and blows as much smoke as is humanly possible up fans arses.

 

nah, I think that's just Coyle's way and not a reaction to how badly Megson managed that aspect of his job

I firmly believe that coyle is no better than megson. The only improvement is fans relationship with the manager.

But continued shit results and that wil change. I hope not but it's inevitable.

 

I can't be arsed with the arguments at this stage of the season. So coyle has a clean slate from the start of next season.

 

Basically many fans need to appreciate anything above relegation zone is a bonus for a club like ourselves.

 

So you admit there has been an improvement under Coyle in that area then. An area that Megson himself said was affecting the team (but did nothing to improve)

 

Megson was and still is a moaning negative sod (and that is being generous)

 

Megson came when we were bottom and spent a lot of money to keep us up, Coyle came when we second bottom did not spend lots of money and kept us up. (megson had derby, coyle had pompey to help)

 

The unknown in any such discussion is that IF megson had been manager second half of the season would we have got 18 points. Given the Board sacked him half way through the season it makes sense that they thought things were worse than during the close season when they were backing him, so fair to say they expected 2nd half of the season to be worse. Both Hull and Burnley have also been worse second half of the season, whcih has helped, but if in half a season a manager improves the position in the tbale by 4 or 5 places he aint doing badly.

 

Anyone who thought OC would come in and transform the team overnight is expeting too much, he is a young and inexperienced manager, this was highlighted on saturday. He has ideas on the way the game should be played and at times these reflect his inexperince, 4 4 2 is ok at certain times but flexibility is required.

 

I will judge him on his signings over the summer and how we perform next season.

 

Out of interest does anyone think we would be better off with Megson in charge? Ok saying OC might not be the miracle worker some people seemed to think but would you want Megson back? anyone ? if not, not sure what point people are trying to make.

 

if people think OC has been lucky, would you rather have a lucky manager or one who was unfortunate enough to be born ginger?

Edited April 26, 201016 yr by Ani

 

BUT i am willing to give OC the benefit of the doubt and full season before i get my bedsheets out. and even then i know what to expect from my team. anything above 17th is acceptable, top of the bottom half is a cracking season imo.

 

This is the attitude that Coyle is complaining about. In today's paper he is quoted as saying that there are too many players in the Bolton squad who are satisfied with avoiding relegation. We should be striving to get as high as we can.

This is the attitude that Coyle is complaining about. In today's paper he is quoted as saying that there are too many players in the Bolton squad who are satisfied with avoiding relegation. We should be striving to get as high as we can.

 

 

Not read the article but if this is true then its a step in the right direction, this shows that he has more ambition for the club than just to avoid relegation which is more than can be said for the previous 2 managers. I think OC could be another BSA if he is given the chance, He seems to understand the game but it's inevitable with his inexperience that mistakes will be made its just a case of how he deals with them.

Edited April 26, 201016 yr by eaststandlower

Coyle's comments are stated at the end of the match report in today's Daily Express. He says that if players have the attitude that survival in the premiership is acceptable then all next season will be a battle.

Coyle's comments are stated at the end of the match report in today's Daily Express. He says that if players have the attitude that survival in the premiership is acceptable then all next season will be a battle.

 

if he doesnt acheive anything more than a relegation battle, should he be sacked/resign?

 

now i dont believe he should but he's basically making the job harder for himself long term.

I cannot believe this thread.

We were lucky to get a manager who loves the club and has the potential to improve the team out of recognition compared to what we saw under Megson.

Why can't the whingers give the man time to get HIS team together?

Quoting statistics is not relevant (or helpful) at this stage, he kept us up, job done.

I cannot believe this thread.

We were lucky to get a manager who loves the club and has the potential to improve the team out of recognition compared to what we saw under Megson.

Why can't the whingers give the man time to get HIS team together?

Quoting statistics is not relevant (or helpful) at this stage, he kept us up, job done.

 

 

who the hells whinging?

 

 

 

 

ok, everythings rosey, were gonna win the league next season, and coyles gonna pay for all our seasons tickets too.

 

whats wrong with a bit of discussion?

 

is that not what the forum is for?

Out of interest does anyone think we would be better off with Megson in charge? Ok saying OC might not be the miracle worker some people seemed to think but would you want Megson back? anyone ? if not, not sure what point people are trying to make.

 

i think, all things equal, megson would've kept us up, or was capable of doing so

 

whether he could've done it with the relationship as strained as it was is another question

 

all this "if megson was in charge after that 2nd half" or "if anyone except cahill had made that ball" is just getting boring now, like they're waiting for a slip up to say I told you so or people just having a pop without actually having a pop at coyle, because that's not the done thing

 

benders

if he doesnt acheive anything more than a relegation battle, should he be sacked/resign?

 

now i dont believe he should but he's basically making the job harder for himself long term.

 

Seems to me that OC is simply setting targets and expectations

 

They also seem in line with what targets are supposed to be - tough but achievable

 

Let's not forget that the vast majority of targets that folk set in business/sport/life aren't met - so if you target 17th spot, there's no margin for error

 

Basically it's simply a psychological thing - you know...shoot for the stars etc

For next season we need a marquee type of signing to waken the fans and club out of the slumber we seem to be in, I really hope that man is Eidur Gudjohnsenn.

 

let it go Mounts, let it go

Seems to me that OC is simply setting targets and expectations

 

They also seem in line with what targets are supposed to be - tough but achievable

 

Let's not forget that the vast majority of targets that folk set in business/sport/life aren't met - so if you target 17th spot, there's no margin for error

 

Basically it's simply a psychological thing - you know...shoot for the stars etc

 

fair point.

 

but do you think the fans will see it that way in 12 months time, if it hasnt worked as expected.

 

my guess is no.

fair point.

 

but do you think the fans will see it that way in 12 months time, if it hasnt worked as expected.

 

my guess is no.

 

are you not one of these fans?

 

what's your take on it?

 

stop putting words in other people's mouths or assuming you know what everyone else will think/do in scenarios that haven't, won't or have not yet occured

fair point.

 

but do you think the fans will see it that way in 12 months time, if it hasnt worked as expected.

 

my guess is no.

 

So alternatively OC says

 

"we have no money, I've inherited players that aren't good enough for any higher than a relegation scrap and I don't have much experience so we're aiming for 17th"

 

Coyle brought something to BWFC that the league table doesn't measure - optimism and it's still there in abundance.

 

I hope he gets ?39m to spend like Megson did because I for one am sure he'd mould a far better squad than he did with that sort of money.

 

He's largely regarded as one of the brightest young managers in the game and he will make mistakes but they will be while taking the club on an upward spiral instead of a downward one which is where Megson was taking us and fast.

 

Comparing Gary Megson to Owen Coyle is like saying shagging Susan Boyle is the same as shagging Pamela Anderson - they've both got a pair of tits, an arse and a muff but really the process is far more enjoyable with the latter!!

From above posts I tend to agree with what Jules and Ani have said.

 

The only controversial addition I would make is, besides an absolute horror showing next season e.g getting cut adrift early or severe dressing room unrest, Coyle deserves to be given the maximum time allowed to manage our club. While we should all, Coyle I am sure would include himself in this, strive to achieve better and set challenging targets, I think it would be wrong to say a status quo (14th in the table) is a failure.

 

There is nothing wrong with this thread because we all surely must have been unhappy with the 2nd half performance and we all want to see OC sort it out. It only becomes an issue if you loose the realistic expectations of what can be achieved by BWFC.

 

While we can moan on here and try to express what our opinions are to achieve better, one thing which must remain constant is our support of BWFC and within that our relatively young, inexperienced but enthusiatic, motivated and comitted premiership manager.

 

OWEN COYLES SUPER WHITE ARMY

let it go Mounts, let it go

 

O.K. Doctor.

While we should all, Coyle I am sure would include himself in this, strive to achieve better and set challenging targets, I think it would be wrong to say a status quo (14th in the table) is a failure.

 

and vice versa, saying what is a success is also problematic

 

one thing alladyce was guilty at when he managed us was raising our expectations far greater than we could've previously imagined to the point that, when not splashing out ???s in Jan to get in the champion's league was considered lacking ambition

 

if coyle said we should aim for 12th and we get 8th, then 12th isn't good enough anymore

 

plus, you can finish on 17th and get 44 points (like we once did) or this season we could finish 14th on 36 points

 

therefore, demanding better of the team is the way to go, because we'll all be able to tell if they're improving, even if the points total / position may suggest otherwise

therefore, demanding better of the team is the way to go, because we'll all be able to tell if they're improving, even if the points total / position may suggest otherwise

 

More than 41 points next season, then he will have done well.

 

Hopefully, a few new faces to get better and have us looking forward.

 

Nights under the stars in Munich, Marseille, Madrid, and Lisbon are in my scrapbook, but I don't expect any repeats soon.

Thing is, he could pull a master stroke and sign a couple of players who really could make a difference.

 

It happened for BSA a couple of times. Now let's see if OC has got the gift and ability to attract decent players.

who the hells whinging?

 

 

 

 

ok, everythings rosey, were gonna win the league next season, and coyles gonna pay for all our seasons tickets too.

 

whats wrong with a bit of discussion?

 

is that not what the forum is for?

There is nothing wrong with discussion, that is not what my post said. I am as philosophical about the Wanderers as anyone.

The title of the thread is 'sort it out out Owen' and is generally a whinge by some at the manager. If you don't regard that as whinging then ok.

My point was that he has been manager for half a season and you cannot judge him until he has formed his own team with his own players.

One thing Coyle has got going for himself is ambition. That's why he hedged his bets and left Burnley for us and that's why he'll be looking to improve us so he can get a better job. That's the position our two best managers of recent years (Rioch and Allardyce) came from. Ultimately, they both viewed Bolton as a stepping stone to something bigger if they did well here. The ambition Coyle has to manage a bigger club will benefit us in his time here, I reckon.