Members bolty58 Posted June 28, 2010 Members Share Posted June 28, 2010 Well at least one thing has been cleared up. It seems the Uruguayan linesman was right after all:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHAT Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 At least all the bunting will come down up Top Oth' Brow now.OR WILL IT!Absolute rubbish and they tore us to pieces.Gutted....but not surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Just look at the Italians. Could not pick one player from their best domestic team, as they were all foreign. I can agree about the Lampard /Gerrard and also the media. Your point about being bottlers is just bullshit. So who carries the blame and to what percentage? The possible guilty parties will include The FA, for the design of the Prem and appointing Fabio, 35% The players, 20% The linesman, 0% The media, 5% The Premiership, 20% Fabio Capello, 20% first draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 28, 2010 Moderators Share Posted June 28, 2010 1. England are Bottlers. nowt to do with this world cup never got going from the off, nothing to do with bottle holland have won their first 3 games, and can easily get to the semis, where they might bottle it our group stage performances and the defence yesterday were nothing to do with bottling it, they were just w?nk i actually thought we did well going forward yesterday, the defence was awful though, upson didn't know what to do and terry trying to hard to be a hero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 nowt to do with this world cup never got going from the off, nothing to do with bottle holland have won their first 3 games, and can easily get to the semis, where they might bottle it our group stage performances and the defence yesterday were nothing to do with bottling it, they were just w?nk i actually thought we did well going forward yesterday, the defence was awful though, upson didn't know what to do and terry trying to hard to be a hero Where was our "holding midfielder"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiggy Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Is anyone else still really angry? I'd just about calmed down. Then I saw footage of the players laughing and joking as they got off the plane on the way back to the hotel. If ever you needed proof about how little they care..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Is anyone else still really angry? I'd just about calmed down. Then I saw footage of the players laughing and joking as they got off the plane on the way back to the hotel. If ever you needed proof about how little they care..... Sadly, I find I am not at all bothered. I knew we wouldn't win it, but I had hoped for a bit more of an event than the piss poor 4 matches that we played. I'm actually glad it's over, as I would hate to think what Argentina might have done to us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magic legs Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I'd be all for quite a few of that team never playing for England again. Why on earth Barry and Johnson didn't bring their men down and take the yellow card for both breakaway goals is beyond me. Capello has to take a big share of the blame - taking SWP and bringing Heskey on yesterday shows he can make big mistakes. But he has been massivley hamstrung by the fact that our best players didnt perform, we dont have a good enough first choice holding midfielder and we have no strength in depth. If we could have played our best XI yesterday then who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beer_swiller Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 The are are more questions than answers regarding the England squad. Do who`s we blame people like Venger,who seems reluctant to play anyone who is English, or any other manager who adopts a similar stance. Players like Wilshere who as young as he is should be in teams like Arsenals, surrounded by top players, if he`s as good as quoted then he`s good enough to be in the England squad. German squad boasted several youngsters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter HomerJay Posted June 28, 2010 Site Supporter Share Posted June 28, 2010 Is anyone else still really angry? I'd just about calmed down. Then I saw footage of the players laughing and joking as they got off the plane on the way back to the hotel. If ever you needed proof about how little they care..... nope. bring on the new season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 The are are more questions than answers regarding the England squad. Do who`s we blame people like Venger,who seems reluctant to play anyone who is English, or any other manager who adopts a similar stance. Players like Wilshere who as young as he is should be in teams like Arsenals, surrounded by top players, if he`s as good as quoted then he`s good enough to be in the England squad. German squad boasted several youngsters. You can't blame Wenger, his job is to ensure that Arsenal are as good as possible, I presume he thinks the English players he has aren't quite good enough, therefore they don't get many games under him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
white noise Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I feared the worst when he originally picked Upson, we have all seen the damage our less than prolific Kevin Davies, causes Upson every time we play the Spammers but I didn't expect it to be as bad as this. Capello - Clueless tactically, no width even with wingers, chose Upson over Dawson, Carragher and Cahill, brought on Heskey when we needed goals and not Crouch who's goal record is better than any other current striker. Failed to play Cole throughout the tournament. Seems also to have lost the dressing room. Persisted with Johnson who was totally exposed yesterday. Vowed to pick form players yet chose injured Barry over Scott Parker, or even Muamba. Barry - 2yds start on the break but beaten to the ball by a good 10yds and hence Germany scored. Not good enough for England. Defoe - not a target man at 5'4" playing against a 6'4" defender when you have Crouch on the bench and an even better target man left in Bromley X, for that particular role. Rooney - not fit. Milner - out of his depth SWP - Can't get in City's team and way short of match practice. Time for a change....... Redknapp for England Manager, Adam Johnson, Gary Cahill, Dawson, Hart, Walcott, Wilshere, Muamba. Maybe we won't win the Euro's but lets blood some young talent and lose some of the overpaid wasters. Rob Green - Makes James look like Gordon Banks. But the man who picked the team, tactics and made the substitutions must carry the can!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biff Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 (edited) I only hope that this game does not become known as one we would have won but for the linesman. And for all those advocating goal line technology: Yes in this case a decision could have been made almost instantaneously. However there are other occasions think back to 1966 where it would take ages to decide whether a goal should be given. Would spectators be prepared to wait. Now I know that they do in Rugby and Cricket but the decisions are being looked at where there is a natural break in play. If the decision is no goal how then is play restarted? By a bounce up in the goal area. Great for the attacking team not so for the defending team. I wonder where Alex Ferguson stands on the topic of goal line technology in view of the Man U Spurs game a short while ago. Edited June 28, 2010 by Biff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatanGreavsie Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I only hope that this game does not become known as one we would have won but for the linesman. And for all those advocating goal line technology: Yes in this case a decision could have been made almost instantaneously. However there are other occasions think back to 1966 where it would take ages to decide whether a goal should be given. Would spectators be prepared to wait. Now I know that they do in Rugby and Cricket but the decisions are being looked at where there is a natural break in play. If the decision is no goal how then is play restarted? By a bounce up in the goal area. Great for the attacking team not so for the defending team. I wonder where Alex Ferguson stands on the topic of goal line technology in view of the Man U Spurs game a short while ago. Biff - where did you stand on the "new technology" debate when they brought nets in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 28, 2010 Moderators Share Posted June 28, 2010 I only hope that this game does not become known as one we would have won but for the linesman. no danger of that, it'll be the game we could've lost 4-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarian1979 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I thought the idea of paying your money to go to the reebok was to watch Bolton hopefully win. It is, but ideally playing decent football. A league with teams having to field 8/9 english in their 11 would be total s hit to watch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarian1979 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 No pace what so ever at the back, Cole the probably only exeption. The problem being is the English players are surrounded by talented foreigners at club level and when they have to play together as a team, they are exploited as to what they are. The Germans have it spot on, almost every tournament they display a different squad of players and they are not affraid to play their younger starlets. Capello has done Gary Cahill out of a world cup by selecting Upson who we all know cannot defend and is far too slow. Agree totally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarian1979 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 lets face it, if you have to resort to bringing on Heskey and SWP you don't have much chance of doing anything in the World Cup at least the myth that gareth barry is any good was exposed...holding midfielder my arse, you could almost make the case for muamba today Scott Parker would of been a million times better than barry in that role Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tarian1979 Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I feared the worst when he originally picked Upson, we have all seen the damage our less than prolific Kevin Davies, causes Upson every time we play the Spammers but I didn't expect it to be as bad as this. Capello - Clueless tactically, no width even with wingers, chose Upson over Dawson, Carragher and Cahill, brought on Heskey when we needed goals and not Crouch who's goal record is better than any other current striker. Failed to play Cole throughout the tournament. Seems also to have lost the dressing room. Persisted with Johnson who was totally exposed yesterday. Vowed to pick form players yet chose injured Barry over Scott Parker, or even Muamba. Barry - 2yds start on the break but beaten to the ball by a good 10yds and hence Germany scored. Not good enough for England. Defoe - not a target man at 5'4" playing against a 6'4" defender when you have Crouch on the bench and an even better target man left in Bromley X, for that particular role. Rooney - not fit. Milner - out of his depth SWP - Can't get in City's team and way short of match practice. Time for a change....... Redknapp for England Manager, Adam Johnson, Gary Cahill, Dawson, Hart, Walcott, Wilshere, Muamba. Maybe we won't win the Euro's but lets blood some young talent and lose some of the overpaid wasters. Rob Green - Makes James look like Gordon Banks. But the man who picked the team, tactics and made the substitutions must carry the can!! 28m valuation on Milner's head. Frightening really especially when you'll probably be able to pick Ozil up for 20m Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boothy Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Someone please introduce Tarian to multiple quote's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biff Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 Biff - where did you stand on the "new technology" debate when they brought nets in? Aye new fangled things. It makes you think though that when Arbroath beat Bon Accord 36-0 they didn't have goal nets and had to recover the ball from well behind the goal for play to restart. What would the score have been had there been goal nets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablo Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 I feared the worst when he originally picked Upson, we have all seen the damage our less than prolific Kevin Davies, causes Upson every time we play the Spammers but I didn't expect it to be as bad as this. Capello - Clueless tactically, no width even with wingers, chose Upson over Dawson, Carragher and Cahill, brought on Heskey when we needed goals and not Crouch who's goal record is better than any other current striker. Failed to play Cole throughout the tournament. Seems also to have lost the dressing room. Persisted with Johnson who was totally exposed yesterday. Vowed to pick form players yet chose injured Barry over Scott Parker, or even Muamba. Barry - 2yds start on the break but beaten to the ball by a good 10yds and hence Germany scored. Not good enough for England. Defoe - not a target man at 5'4" playing against a 6'4" defender when you have Crouch on the bench and an even better target man left in Bromley X, for that particular role. Rooney - not fit. Milner - out of his depth SWP - Can't get in City's team and way short of match practice. Time for a change....... Redknapp for England Manager, Adam Johnson, Gary Cahill, Dawson, Hart, Walcott, Wilshere, Muamba. Maybe we won't win the Euro's but lets blood some young talent and lose some of the overpaid wasters. Rob Green - Makes James look like Gordon Banks. But the man who picked the team, tactics and made the substitutions must carry the can!! Agree with some of what you say. But home on earth can you suggest Milner is out of his depth, but suggest players like Muamba and Cahill to go the World Cup * ! It amazes me how Blinkered and Biased some people become after England lose, or dont destroy teams. 1 bad game, even 2, and they are 'Out of their depth', THATS why we fail because we Kill the players that make mistakes, or dont score in every game, and we destroy them. * Muamba is a very good player, and could have a few England caps in him at some point, but he is nowere near good enough to be sat on the England bench yet. Cahill....well as good as can be, has looked completely out of his depth in some Bolton games FFS ! When Cahill plays, Bolton conceed......Yeah, quic lets get him in the England team, he is world Class. Just becasue they are English, and play for you, AND are your best players, doenst mean they are good enough for England!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mounts Kipper Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 We failed because Capello picked a squad that appeased the media and the top clubs while having absolutely no idea how he would fit these players into a formation, we failed because English footballers are not technically good enough to retain possesion and do not have the intelligence of the continental footballer. The English system has failed us now for over 50 years it needs ripping up and starting from scratch and that should start with the dismantling of the FA as we know it, they have yet to learn the mistakes that were first brought home in 1953 by the Hungarians. We are a 3rd rate footballing nation even slovenia with 2 million people to choose from manage to put together a team who can at least control and pass the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted June 28, 2010 Share Posted June 28, 2010 * Muamba is a very good player, and could have a few England caps in him at some point, but he is nowere near good enough to be sat on the England bench yet. Cahill....well as good as can be, has looked completely out of his depth in some Bolton games FFS ! When Cahill plays, Bolton conceed......Yeah, quic lets get him in the England team, he is world Class. Just becasue they are English, and play for you, AND are your best players, doenst mean they are good enough for England!!! Hate to say it, but the skiprat talks sense every now and again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted June 28, 2010 Moderators Share Posted June 28, 2010 We failed because Capello picked a squad that appeased the media and the top clubs more like the media and top players am sure ferguson would love it if rooney hadn't played but try dropping one of gerrard and lampard no chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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