Mounts Kipper Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 Chungy I would be gutted about An overweight Mavies who struggles in a two man central midfield for silly money like £8m quid and the car would be running Davies is quality it's upto Coyle to get him fit and back on board and fitting into a system that suits him and the players we have available, selling him is a cop out good managers get the best out of there players and if Owen Coyle is to begin to prove himself as a half decent manager I hope it begins with Mark Davies. Quote
birch-chorley Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 I dont think he will ever work in a 2 man midfield, great in a 3 however. Would I rather see us play one up front to accomodate him in a central three, No. If we had wingbacks and could play 3 5 2 like Wigan did well with last season then we could have the best of both worlds but then we wouldnt get the best of Chungy or Petrov who are more attacking than the likes of Mears / Alonso who could potentially play wing back. Quote
Farrelli Posted August 8, 2012 Posted August 8, 2012 Mark Davies is easily good enough for the championship if his manager can utilise him correctly, and the player himself decides he can be arsed. Davies is quality it's upto Coyle to get him fit and back on board and fitting into a system that suits him and the players we have available, selling him is a cop out good managers get the best out of there players and if Owen Coyle is to begin to prove himself as a half decent manager I hope it begins with Mark Davies. Mounts you have slightly altered your position. Last week you did credit some responsibility to Mark Davies himself (see your first post above). I agreed with that because any player has to want to succeed whatever the formation. But now you are completely putting it down to tactics and Owen Coyle. Which is it? Quote
onlyoneawalker Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 Davies is quality it's upto Coyle to get him fit and back on board and fitting into a system that suits him and the players we have available, selling him is a cop out good managers get the best out of there players and if Owen Coyle is to begin to prove himself as a half decent manager I hope it begins with Mark Davies. Good managers also make brave decisions about seemingly good players who just don't fit in any system I know what you are saying mount but Holden & Chungy are the family silver not mavies he's been way below par in too many games last season lots of talent yes but class player hmmm not sure . I love watching mavies dont get me wrong but at £8m I think we'd have to sell because at that price the pro's outweigh the cons at £4 or £5m they don't and for the record Swansea are having a laugh asking £15m for joe Allen and offering £4m for mavies even if they sell Allen for £12m and get mavies for £8m the £4m difference is SAT or scouse added tax that Liverpool insist on paying for ever player Quote
Mounts Kipper Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) Mounts you have slightly altered your position. Last week you did credit some responsibility to Mark Davies himself (see your first post above). I agreed with that because any player has to want to succeed whatever the formation. But now you are completely putting it down to tactics and Owen Coyle. Which is it? I saw Davies at Crewe and he looked a little overweight and seemed to be playing behind Pratley, it seems to me that Davies should playing in behind the strikers and not Pratley, I am not sure Davies is happy with his lot and this seems to have manifested in him arriving back overweight, while it should be in the players interest and his job to report back fit and raring to go, many players need that bit of a lift to get over a big disappointment like relegation, this is where a top manager comes into play by doing whatever is needed to get into the players mind and mentally prepare him for the challenge ahead, maybe we have got rid of our sports psychologist I don't know but from what little I have seen Mark Davies and a lot of this squad need a psychological boost, maybe Owen Coyle does not believe in sports phycologist and thinks the players should join him at happy clappy church. Edited August 9, 2012 by Mounts Kipper Quote
passmosster Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 I saw Davies at Crewe and he looked a little overweight and seemed to be playing behind Pratley, it seems to me that Davies should playing in behind the strikers and not Pratley, I am not sure Davies is happy with his lot and this seems to have manifested in him arriving back overweight, while it should be in the players interest and his job to report back fit and raring to go, many players need that bit of a lift to get over a big disappointment like relegation, this is where a top manager comes into play by doing whatever is needed to get into the players mind and mentally prepare him for the challenge ahead, maybe we have got rid of our sports psychologist I don't know but from what little I have seen Mark Davies and a lot of this squad need a psychological boost, maybe Owen Coyle does not believe in sports phycologist and thinks the players should join him at happy clappy church. M Davies and Pratley's best position is the same, in the hole behind a one man striker. 2 strikers the second one is filling the space they need to run into. I haven't seem much of Andrews but I suspect that this is where he is best too. Anyway a 4-4-2 with 2 wingers out wide puts a hell of a lot of running and tackling responsibilty on the central midfield 2 who are generally playing againast at least 3 opposition.. Holden has managed it for 26 league games so far, Reo Coker has said no thanks and if Muamba plays again, it's a huge bonus. So who is going to do all the running and tackling this season? We've got no-one except Vela and I wouldn't like to see him ruined on the Coyle treadmill. Quote
Guest Blixa Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 Liverpool offered £15 million release clause for Allen. That means they have £15 million potentially burning a hole in their pockets. Gartside can be called many things, but he's certainly a businessman and will know that only too well. We aren't going to sell cheap to Swansea, if at all. I'd throw a £10 million figure at Swansea, on the basis of that sell-on and that he's got to be at least two-thirds of the player Allen is. Quote
Danny G Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 The Sanchez deal is now off after he doubled his demands at the last minute, sounds like we had a lucky escape with that one, Bad Egg written all over him, Has NRC been fixed up yet? Quote
BOWTUN BAKED Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 Gartside can be called many things, but he's certainly a businessman. That's reet cheered me up has that Quote
DazBob Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 The Sanchez deal is now off after he doubled his demands at the last minute, sounds like we had a lucky escape with that one, Bad Egg written all over him, Has NRC been fixed up yet? Reportedly turned down the Cottagers and is mulling over three Serie A offers. ... therefore expect to see him at Norwich or Southampton. Quote
Guest Blixa Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 That's reet cheered me up has that If half the folk on here were in charge of BWFC, we've have been bust years back. Fact. Quote
DazBob Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 If half the folk on here were in charge of BWFC, we've have been bust years back. Fact. Only half? You're being very generous. Quote
Garrp Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 That's reet cheered me up has that aye i bet hed love to swap the money hes made with the money you've made Quote
Danny G Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 I would play Mavies off the main striker with Two more disciplined Midfielders behind him in a 4231 formation Ginge Riley Mills Knight Ricketts Andrews Vela Chungy Mavies Petrov Sordell Quote
HomerJay Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 ream and mills shirley? agreed though. but wont happen 4 strikers for that one position and i reckon marv is reet at the bottom of the list Quote
DazBob Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 I would play Mavies off the main striker with Two more disciplined Midfielders behind him in a 4231 formation Ginge Riley Mills Knight Ricketts Andrews Vela Chungy Mavies Petrov Sordell I'd be delighted with that ... as long as you swap Ream for Knight and Holden for Vela (when fit). We'd piss this division. However, as Dave says, it'll never happen. Quote
Danny G Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 I forgot about our young Yank, yes him for Knight without doubt Quote
Big_Sharps Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 Vela as a sitting midfielder? I don't rate Pratley but surely if you are going to play that system then play him and Andrews in front of the defence. Quote
HomerJay Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 im a better defensive midfielder than pratley wannabe striker from what ive seen of him Quote
White Shirt Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 (edited) - - - - - - - Bogdan - - - - - - - - - Riley - Knight - Mills - Ricketts - - - - - - holding mid - - - - - - - Chungy - - Andrews - - Petrov - - - - Davies - - - Sordell - - - - We're obviously in for a holding midfielder so whoever that is is likely to start Not liking Mark Davies' weight, his attitude stinks and his heart doesn't seem to be in it. Andrews is going to be a good, solid player for us this season so he'd start ahead of Mark Davies for me Edited August 9, 2012 by White Shirt Quote
Big_Sharps Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 im a better defensive midfielder than pratley wannabe striker from what ive seen of him Is young Josh one though? Coyle is looking for a holding midfielder though isn't he so he could always play alongside Keet Andrews. Quote
Big_Sharps Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 - - - - - - - Bogdan - - - - - - - - - Riley - Knight - Mills - Ricketts - - - - - - holding mid - - - - - - - Chungy - - Andrews - - Petrov - - - - Davies - - - Sordell - - - - We're obviously in for a holding midfielder so whoever that is is likely to start Not liking Mark Davies' weight, his attitude stinks and his heart doesn't seem to be in it. Andrews is going to be a good, solid player for us this season so he'd start ahead of Mark Davies for me The heart is not in it comment is the most used bullshit phrase in football. Quote
White Shirt Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 The heart is not in it comment is the most used bullshit phrase in football. He's turned up to pre season looking like David Dunn. He'd rather be out on the piss than play for Bolton Quote
HomerJay Posted August 9, 2012 Posted August 9, 2012 nowt like replacing talent with workhorses. then folk complain that we can keep or pass the ball. Quote
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