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5 minutes ago, Underpants said:

I know it's unimportant on WWs.

The big brains once said the earth was flat and we were at the centre of the universe. Some people disagreed. How dare they.

To be fair, flat earth was blown out of the water in the 6th and 5th century BC.

The Greeks were fucking incredible back then. I had no time for history at school because my teacher was a cunt, now I love it.

12 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

To be fair, flat earth was blown out of the water in the 6th and 5th century BC.

The Greeks were fucking incredible back then. I had no time for history at school because my teacher was a cunt, now I love it.

My point being is the big brains of that time told everyone they were correct. And most went along with it

All I'm saying is that today's big brains are no different.

4 minutes ago, Underpants said:

My point being is the big brains of that time told everyone they were correct. And most went along with it

All I'm saying is that today's big brains are no different.

So because the Ancients thought the world was flat, NASA missions are hoaxes? I'm now pretty certain you don't know what 'critical reasoning' is.

8 minutes ago, Cheese said:

So because the Ancients thought the world was flat, NASA missions are hoaxes? I'm now pretty certain you don't know what 'critical reasoning' is.

Who said they were a hoax?

5 hours ago, Underpants said:

My point being is the big brains of that time told everyone they were correct. And most went along with it

All I'm saying is that today's big brains are no different.

There's a difference between being a skeptic who employs critical thinking, and being a contrarian. 

What you're talking about in your post is human being improving our understanding and adapting our hypothesis based on new evidence. Not just denying everything because we think we're a "free thinker". 

Its easy to have a conspiracy theory about everything. It's much harder to come up with any actual evidence which supports the conspiracy theory. 

7 hours ago, kent_white said:

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Its easy to have a conspiracy theory about everything. It's much harder to come up with any actual evidence which supports the conspiracy theory. 

Absolutely. Most of the chat that goes on within WWs involves opinion. I see no critical thinking from the believers on here. All I get is the big brains have told us this so it must be true. You don't need critical thinking the believe or disbelieve the Moon landings happened. Folk are barking at me and I don't know why because I'm mainly throwing out questions and with a side order of doubt.

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10 hours ago, kent_white said:

There's a difference between being a skeptic who employs critical thinking, and being a contrarian. 

What you're talking about in your post is human being improving our understanding and adapting our hypothesis based on new evidence. Not just denying everything because we think we're a "free thinker". 

Its easy to have a conspiracy theory about everything. It's much harder to come up with any actual evidence which supports the conspiracy theory. 

Iiiiiin one.

We're educated in schools and universities and for the most part it's spoonfeeding. 

We accept what we're taught because the "proof" has already been presented, and is commonly accepted.

We'd all be fucked if every child disbelieved everything and said it was all bollocks.

Sometimes we have to accept things because they're presented by folk with the skills, knowledge and experience to develop and produce "stuff".

I wonder how many of us actually went round placing squares on anything and everything that had a right angled triangle in its construction, because we thought Pythagoras was a cunt?

Impossible to get categoric proof of everything, especially if you've decided it's bollocks already.

 

3 hours ago, Underpants said:

You don't need critical thinking the believe or disbelieve the Moon landings happened. Folk are barking at me and I don't know why because I'm mainly throwing out questions and with a side order of doubt.

Hang on. Are you saying you don't believe the moon landings happened? 

25 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Hang on. Are you saying you don't believe the moon landings happened? 

This is his history I referred to previously.

Bit like saying we didn't win the cup in 23 because we didn't see it.

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Hang on. Are you saying you don't believe the moon landings happened? 

I'm sceptical.

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

Hang on. Are you saying you don't believe the moon landings happened? 

There's an argument to be had. Is that saying the moon landings didn't happen? You tell me with your critical thinking.

3 minutes ago, Underpants said:

There's an argument to be had. Is that saying the moon landings didn't happen? You tell me with your critical thinking.

OK - so here's my evidence that we did land on the moon. 

We brought back loads of moon rock

The lunar reconnaissance orbiter has sent back pictures of the landing site - as have missions from other countries (including China 

The equipment we took and left on the moon is still sending back data (seismology data for example). And also the retroreflector which were planted on the surface and is still being used

We've got thousands of images, videofilm and audio recordings made from the landing and the conversations with mission control. 

So that's my evidence that we went to the moon. What evidence do you have that suggests we didn't go to the moon? 

Plus we went back to the moon another 5 times after we first landed there!

5 minutes ago, kent_white said:

OK - so here's my evidence that we did land on the moon. 

We brought back loads of moon rock

The lunar reconnaissance orbiter has sent back pictures of the landing site - as have missions from other countries (including China 

The equipment we took and left on the moon is still sending back data (seismology data for example). And also the retroreflector which were planted on the surface and is still being used

We've got thousands of images, videofilm and audio recordings made from the landing and the conversations with mission control. 

So that's my evidence that we went to the moon. What evidence do you have that suggests we didn't go to the moon? 

I have no evidence. Never said I did. I said there's an argument to be had. 

 

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Plus we went back to the moon another 5 times after we first landed there!

If we didn't go, we didn't go. Doesn't matter how many times they said they went.

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There is no argument to be had. If the US didn't land you can bet your arse Russia and China would have shown so.

Also, the UK tracked the mission using our radio telescopes just like every country on earth did that was capable of doing so.

Webb image of that asteroid getting smashed

 

3 hours ago, Underpants said:

I have no evidence. Never said I did. I said there's an argument to be had. 

 

If we didn't go, we didn't go. Doesn't matter how many times they said they went.

Well if you have no evidence - then there isn't any argument to be had.

And arguably, covering up a fake moon landing would be more difficult than doing it for real. Covering up 6 fake moon landings would be virtually impossible. So it absolutely does matter. 

44 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Well if you have no evidence - then there isn't any argument to be had.

And arguably, covering up a fake moon landing would be more difficult than doing it for real. Covering up 6 fake moon landings would be virtually impossible. So it absolutely does matter. 

I’m very much in the “it happened, my dad woke me up to watch” gang. That said, I believe it happened because I want to believe it happened. I only have someone’s word for it.

As @Underpantspoints out, there are probably more questions than proof-positive answers.

In these days of telescopes being sent to space looking at stuff from millions of miles away, how come we haven’t yet come up with a telescope with the ability to see a US flag, a Lunar Rover which was left or even the footprints. The Americans boast about satellite imigary with the capability to read a newspaper on earth. Doesn’t this technology work in the opposite direction?

If we believed everything we’d seen written down then is there an argument that Moses really did part the sea, Jesus fed 5000 folk with 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread.

39 minutes ago, MickyD said:

I’m very much in the “it happened, my dad woke me up to watch” gang. That said, I believe it happened because I want to believe it happened. I only have someone’s word for it.

As @Underpantspoints out, there are probably more questions than proof-positive answers.

In these days of telescopes being sent to space looking at stuff from millions of miles away, how come we haven’t yet come up with a telescope with the ability to see a US flag, a Lunar Rover which was left or even the footprints. The Americans boast about satellite imigary with the capability to read a newspaper on earth. Doesn’t this technology work in the opposite direction?

If we believed everything we’d seen written down then is there an argument that Moses really did part the sea, Jesus fed 5000 folk with 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread.

You don't 'only have someone's word for it' - you've got an overwhelming amount of evidence to show that it DEFINITELY happened. 

The answers to all your questions are available if you take an interest and actually look. We CAN see the flag on the moon - as I explained earlier....

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-19050795.amp

This is why you can't see if with a telescope from earth!

https://science.howstuffworks.com/question188.htm#:~:text=As cool as it would,what's left on the moon.

And the reason (most people) don't believe Moses parted the red sea is BECAUSE of critical reasoning. We learned more about what is and isn't possible, rejected the supernatural and learned about the scientific method. 

Anyway, I can't tell if you're for real or if you're just on a wind up! 😁

57 minutes ago, MickyD said:

I’m very much in the “it happened, my dad woke me up to watch” gang. That said, I believe it happened because I want to believe it happened. I only have someone’s word for it.

As @Underpantspoints out, there are probably more questions than proof-positive answers.

In these days of telescopes being sent to space looking at stuff from millions of miles away, how come we haven’t yet come up with a telescope with the ability to see a US flag, a Lunar Rover which was left or even the footprints. The Americans boast about satellite imigary with the capability to read a newspaper on earth. Doesn’t this technology work in the opposite direction?

If we believed everything we’d seen written down then is there an argument that Moses really did part the sea, Jesus fed 5000 folk with 2 fish and 5 loaves of bread.

What the actual fuck? Just read or even better watch a programme or two

26 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Well if you have no evidence - then there isn't any argument to be had.

And arguably, covering up a fake moon landing would be more difficult than doing it for real. Covering up 6 fake moon landings would be virtually impossible. So it absolutely does matter. 

Since when do you need evidence to have an argument? Who wrote that rule?

One argument, or question, is that In 66 years we have gone from not being able to fly to putting a man on the moon (allegedly). That is some rapid technological expansion wouldn't you say. But in the 53 years since the "landings" we have not sent a man 1 inch further. Now, why is that? Some might say them technical advances are difficult to believe given the time scale. You don't need evidence to question the validity of claims. 

 

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

Well if you have no evidence - then there isn't any argument to be had.

And arguably, covering up a fake moon landing would be more difficult than doing it for real. Covering up 6 fake moon landings would be virtually impossible. So it absolutely does matter. 

Aye 

It's like 9/11 being an inside job 

The amount of folk with no conscience you would need to be in on such lies without whistle blowing is just crazy 

000s of folk worked on it 

It's just weird to say "maybe not though" 

Questioning  everything is good. Very healthy trait. 
but 
There’s a difference between questioning things and still questioning things when your first question gives you the answers . 
That means you can’t or don’t want to understand the proof. 

The moon landing is a prime example of this as is 9/11

45 minutes ago, Underpants said:

Since when do you need evidence to have an argument? Who wrote that rule?

One argument, or question, is that In 66 years we have gone from not being able to fly to putting a man on the moon (allegedly). That is some rapid technological expansion wouldn't you say. But in the 53 years since the "landings" we have not sent a man 1 inch further. Now, why is that? Some might say them technical advances are difficult to believe given the time scale. You don't need evidence to question the validity of claims. 

 

It's because the next nearest planet to visit is fucking miles away and would take several months to get there   

You need to understand space shuttles are small cramped capsules and not like the USS enterprise or millennium falcon 

And we've built a space station where people live in that time 

We've also sent a robot to mars to do everything a person could do 

We're not going to ever live on mars so there's really no reason to send anyone there anyway 

41 minutes ago, Underpants said:

Since when do you need evidence to have an argument? Who wrote that rule?

One argument, or question, is that In 66 years we have gone from not being able to fly to putting a man on the moon (allegedly). That is some rapid technological expansion wouldn't you say. But in the 53 years since the "landings" we have not sent a man 1 inch further. Now, why is that? Some might say them technical advances are difficult to believe given the time scale. You don't need evidence to question the validity of claims. 

 

Well you don't HAVE to have any evidence to make an argument. It just makes your argument sound a lot less shit if you do.

Again - the answers to all your questions are all well documented. 

There's not really been any need to send anyone back to the moon. It's extremely expensive and unless you're going to establish a base there or something there's not really much point. It's a big rock. Apollo missions were costing about 4% of GDP at one point. 

The next realistic step is Mars. We didn't have the technology to get there in the 60's or 70's. Nowadays it's not beyond the realms of possibility. 

I'm still not really sure why the US are so keen on returning to the moon - other than it was a Trump vanity project because he wanted to be thought of like JFK. There's better things NASA could be spending their money on - but then I don't hold the purse strings.