Unless its another rumour he's popped em

I really don't think anyone is seriously claiming that the fatalities were fine because the people who afflicted them believed in their cause. Obviously that would be ridiculous and would give approval to anyone who kills anyone anywhere. And there is too much unquestioning acceptance of him as a saint figure.

 

But the truth is as always inbetween and for a man born into a country that automatically made him a second class citizen along with the rest of the majority, who campaigned exclusively non violently for a decade before deciding nothing would change without force and who single handedly prevented civil war after his release, who faced down a lot of the ANC who wanted to be very harsh on white South Africa after apartheid fell, his negatives seem less severe. The worst of the violence was during his imprisonment and the civilian deaths when he was allowed a visit a month and one letter every six months. It is daft to suggest that he is to blame for those deaths. And in broad terms the ANC killed hardly anybody, much fewer than say the IRA who everyone likes making the pointless comparison with. The obvious point to note is that any black South African would have given a bollock to grow up a Northern Irish Catholic.

 

 

Exactly how broad are those terms mate? The Inkatha Freedom Party may disagree.

don't shoot the messenger, but, was told he actually passed away a few months ago when he was in hospital, announcement was delayed to plan the infrastructure in the village where he is to be burried

 

How did they manage that then? Oh aye, I know, they...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"Free-eezed Nelson Mandela!"

Edited December 9, 201312 yr by Youri McAnespie

Don't sit there pretending to give a shit about an internal feud where black killed only black.  The point which is being made, plainly and obviously, is that given the situation in which black South Africans found themselves in during apartheid, worse than any Belfast Catholic or Palestinian, it's incredible that there was no greater loss of life in the inevitable violent backlash. Any losses inflicted by the ANC pale into insignificance, numerically speaking, when set against the numbers murdered by the regime's security forces. That was terrorism too - and it was deliberately aimed at civilians.

Don't sit there pretending to give a shit about an internal feud where black killed only black.  The point which is being made, plainly and obviously, is that given the situation in which black South Africans found themselves in during apartheid, worse than any Belfast Catholic or Palestinian, it's incredible that there was no greater loss of life in the inevitable violent backlash. Any losses inflicted by the ANC pale into insignificance, numerically speaking, when set against the numbers murdered by the regime's security forces. That was terrorism too - and it was deliberately aimed at civilians.

 

Yes, but they were chocolate-faced savages, so it doesn't matter Maggie.

Don't sit there pretending to give a shit about an internal feud where black killed only black.  The point which is being made, plainly and obviously, is that given the situation in which black South Africans found themselves in during apartheid, worse than any Belfast Catholic or Palestinian, it's incredible that there was no greater loss of life in the inevitable violent backlash. Any losses inflicted by the ANC pale into insignificance, numerically speaking, when set against the numbers murdered by the regime's security forces. That was terrorism too - and it was deliberately aimed at civilians.

 

 

FFS, give it a rest. Do you give a fuck about the starving millions? I suppose that's not black killing black? Far worse in Zimbabwe of course but give it time. RSA will head downhill - corrupt as fuck the ANC and Zuma.

Yes, but they were chocolate-faced savages, so it doesn't matter Maggie.

 

No doubt you'll be on a warning for that? I am sickened.

FFS, give it a rest. Do you give a fuck about the starving millions? I suppose that's not black killing black? Far worse in Zimbabwe of course but give it time. RSA will head downhill - corrupt as fuck the ANC and Zuma.

Comparing modern South Africa with Zimbabwe is about as valid as saying North Korea and Sweden are the same.

Dunno

 

I wouldn't like to be a white farmer in either of the places but you don't see many people championing their cause.

 

But, they're white and one of their ancestors might have had a slave a few hundred years ago so it's understandable, nay acceptable, to burn him alive and rape his kids.

 

One day, just one day, someone of worldly importance will have the bollocks to stand up and say 'this man is being persecuted because he is white.

I'd sooner be a white on a farm than black in a township. I'd rather have root canal surgery without anaesthetic than live black under apartheid. Look, no-one in their right mind would do anything other than condemn attacks on farmers and no-one is arguing they deserve it, but don't think the roles have reversed now the ANC are in charge. They've done nob all for the poorer blacks, or indeed anybody poor, but at least it's economics and corruption and not state racism and oppression. At least they have the democratic power to demand a change. All the money, all the property, all the best jobs, education and prospects are in the hands of rich whites. Poor working class white Afrikaan speakers are having a shit time, but why shouldn't they? Why should they be insulated from the ebb and flow of things? 

I think you're being totally dismissive of what is actually happening (and happened), to the point of pretending that it either does not exist or it does not matter and are using the 'the blacks had it tough' as justification to simply ignore it.

 

Of course apartheid was wrong. It does not justify the mass rape, murder, and persecution of white people and Zulus one iota.

 

The evidence is out there in abundance, and not just on ihatenignogs.com.

I hate ngog too.

zuma is worse than Mugabe will ever be

I think you're being totally dismissive of what is actually happening (and happened), to the point of pretending that it either does not exist or it does not matter and are using the 'the blacks had it tough' as justification to simply ignore it.

 

Of course apartheid was wrong. It does not justify the mass rape, murder, and persecution of white people and Zulus one iota.

 

The evidence is out there in abundance, and not just on ihatenignogs.com.

 

Sorry, but that's utter crap. Every post on this I have to bend over backwards to condemn violence against whites, or condemn innocent loss of life at ANC hands precisely to avoid being accused of saying it doesn't matter, or that it matters less because the blacks had it rough. No-one with any realistic view of any of this would volunteer to be black rather than white in South Africa at any point in the last 200 years. If you want to bean count, or try and find some kind of equivalence, then the blacks have got about 200 years to work at being as rough on the whites as whites have been to them.

 

Ah fuck it.

Just out of interest

 

Who won?

Don't sit there pretending to give a shit about an internal feud where black killed only black. The point which is being made, plainly and obviously, is that given the situation in which black South Africans found themselves in during apartheid, worse than any Belfast Catholic or Palestinian, it's incredible that there was no greater loss of life in the inevitable violent backlash. Any losses inflicted by the ANC pale into insignificance, numerically speaking, when set against the numbers murdered by the regime's security forces. That was terrorism too - and it was deliberately aimed at civilians.

Couldn't put it any better. I can't help but think you're wasting your time though.

Sorry, but that's utter crap. Every post on this I have to bend over backwards to condemn violence against whites, or condemn innocent loss of life at ANC hands precisely to avoid being accused of saying it doesn't matter, or that it matters less because the blacks had it rough. No-one with any realistic view of any of this would volunteer to be black rather than white in South Africa at any point in the last 200 years. If you want to bean count, or try and find some kind of equivalence, then the blacks have got about 200 years to work at being as rough on the whites as whites have been to them.

 

Ah fuck it.

Ok let them carry in burning farms down for the next two hundred years to even it up and pretend it's not happening.

As he said, 'Ah, fuck it'. Last post on the subject.

 

If you can't see that the indigenous governments are (currently and for the last 20 years) incapable of feeding their masses; incapable of instigating sensible population control measures; incapable of weeding out corruption (because no one is more corrupt than those at the top); incapable of effectively running a country with enormous mineral wealth then you have your head in the sand.

 

'200 years of being rough on the whites' is utter fucking nonsense and, for a bloke of Maggies obvious intelligence, a sad comment.

 

They should be concentrating on feeding the starving millions rather than revenge on whites (a war they could never win anyway) and lording it in Palaces like Mugabe and Zuma. 

 

Why should we give a fuck. Better to starve whilst free.

What have the whites ever done for us?

What have the whites ever done for us?

Gave us a show at wembley

Eee, this has been the WW equivalent of a Hollywood blockbuster; you know where it's heading, what the main protagonists are going to do and it's inevitability unsatisfying conclusion, but an enjoyable watch nevertheless. 

Edited December 10, 201312 yr by Not in Crawley

And nobody has taken the piss out of ice cream sellers!

 

Its slacking round here  

And nobody has taken the piss out of ice cream sellers!

 

Its slacking round here  

I know!

 

the only thing worst than being talked about, is not being talked about!

 

Perhaps if I prod him with a big liberal stick, and yes that's a euphemism for my cock, Bolty, old chap

 

I would have posted earlier but I been on an imposed period of mourning like all my guilty white liberal brothers.

I was on a mission this morning, and had Radio 4 on in the car.

The dignitaries were gathering at the Stadium for the Memorial Service (for which, incidentally, Mandela himself was not there).

There were cheers as they were each recognised, except for one, who got loud boos. Turned out he was someone who had formed a breakaway from the ANC and will lead his new party into the next election.

Then the Ghanaian Cardinal entered accompanied by a mon in a white cape. The rumour spread through the crowd as fact (incorrectly) that it was the Pope.

I switched stations before the service itself, however.

Easy mistake to make. I get God and Santa mixed up all the time.

I know!

 

the only thing worst than being talked about, is not being talked about!

 

Perhaps if I prod him with a big liberal stick, and yes that's a euphemism for my cock, Bolty, old chap

 

I would have posted earlier but I been on an imposed period of mourning like all my guilty white liberal brothers.

You're in a shamed sence of sorrow arnt you for all the evil things our empire did? All the terrible things us honkies did across the world. Like teaching folk to read or building industry. Evil bastards they were.

 

It's ok. Go on. We will let you apologise on our behalf if you like