Already we know there can be no formal Labour/SNP coalition because the SNP have said they will only do it on an issue by issue basis. However, it seems that coalition will be planted in everyone's minds by the Conservatives.

 

 

 

 

I don't expect that politicians are being completely open about their views at this stage. I fully expect that if Labour were offered a coalition and majority with the SNP, they would take it. As would the SNP. Despite what they might say now.

I don't expect that politicians are being completely open about their views at this stage. I fully expect that if Labour were offered a coalition and majority with the SNP, they would take it. As would the SNP. Despite what they might say now.

I think the SNP would rather pick and choose personally. Their entire existence is Scotland. Being part of a formal UK wide coalition government will only lose them Scottish votes in the end. Lots to lose with potentially little gain.

I think the SNP would rather pick and choose personally. Their entire existence is Scotland. Being part of a formal UK wide coalition government will only lose them Scottish votes in the end. Lots to lose with potentially little gain.

Having more sway within westminster as part of a coalition may allow them to get through more of their parties wishes.

 

It'll be a tricky one, the tories being in power gave the SNP and their ilk massive sway in the independence polls. Sticking it to those southern ponces in London had a lot of power in their campaign.

Had it been a labour government perhaps the vote wouldn't have been as close.

 

Through the punk scene and poetry crowd i know lots of hard line lefty folk who want to vote Green or even further left (Class War etc) but say that its a 'wasted vote' as they won't get enough votes to get seats.

These people are Voting Labour 'to get the tories out' rather than voting for the policies they support. The main downside to FPTP voting for me.

Having more sway within westminster as part of a coalition may allow them to get through more of their parties wishes.

 

It'll be a tricky one, the tories being in power gave the SNP and their ilk massive sway in the independence polls. Sticking it to those southern ponces in London had a lot of power in their campaign.

Had it been a labour government perhaps the vote wouldn't have been as close.

 

Through the punk scene and poetry crowd i know lots of hard line lefty folk who want to vote Green or even further left (Class War etc) but say that its a 'wasted vote' as they won't get enough votes to get seats.

These people are Voting Labour 'to get the tories out' rather than voting for the policies they support. The main downside to FPTP voting for me.

 

Para 1: No. They have more sway remaining outside and agreeing or not on an issue by issue matter.

Part of what the LibDems lost by formal coalition was having to accept some things they really did not agree with. But they did manage to reduce the swingeing level of cuts the Conservatives wanted and yet got no credit for that because it was behind closed doors.

 

Para 2: Quite. But it was Callaghan's government of the late 70s which started out on the slippery slope by promising a Scottish parliament (and subsequently trying to renege on that).

 

Para 3: You are right. But do everything you can to induce any Labour voters to go Green - the results could be spectacular.

And of course First Past The Post is suited to a 2 party state and only that. The Liberals (as were) suffered from that for many years, but nowadays in southern suburbia often gain as there is no point i8n voting Labour.

 

At the end of the day (month (quarter)) only about 150 constituencies are in play and voters elsewhere have no influence. It just may be that the profusion of 'serious' parties and the dearth of worthwhile leaders could make things more open that usual this time.

 

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Para 1: No. They have more sway remaining outside and agreeing or not on an issue by issue matter.

Part of what the LibDems lost by formal coalition was having to accept some things they really did not agree with. But they did manage to reduce the swingeing level of cuts the Conservatives wanted and yet got no credit for that because it was behind closed doors.

 

Para 2: Quite. But it was Callaghan's government of the late 70s which started out on the slippery slope by promising a Scottish parliament (and subsequently trying to renege on that).

 

Para 3: You are right. But do everything you can to induce any Labour voters to go Green - the results could be spectacular.

And of course First Past The Post is suited to a 2 party state and only that. The Liberals (as were) suffered from that for many years, but nowadays in southern suburbia often gain as there is no point i8n voting Labour.

 

At the end of the day (month (quarter)) only about 150 constituencies are in play and voters elsewhere have no influence. It just may be that the profusion of 'serious' parties and the dearth of worthwhile leaders could make things more open that usual this time.

 

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Surely LibDems should be singing this from the rooftops.

'You think the tories have been utter cunts since they got in? Imagine how much worse they'd have been if it wasn't for us reigning them in.'

I know lots of ex lib dem voters (who despite Bolty's centrist comments had in recent years sat to the left of labour) who are refusing to vote for them this time round after they formed a coalition with the hated tories. They've a lot of work to do to get elected members in.

 

It's interesting for that the referendum on changing the FPTP voting system that got such a poor turn out could've helped out the likes of UKIP in this election

Surely LibDems should be singing this from the rooftops.

'You think the tories have been utter cunts since they got in? Imagine how much worse they'd have been if it wasn't for us reigning them in.'

I know lots of ex lib dem voters (who despite Bolty's centrist comments had in recent years sat to the left of labour) who are refusing to vote for them this time round after they formed a coalition with the hated tories. They've a lot of work to do to get elected members in.

 

It's interesting for that the referendum on changing the FPTP voting system that got such a poor turn out could've helped out the likes of UKIP in this election

 

My understanding is that this time the LibDem are diggging in to retain whatever seats they can and not really trying elsewhere other than a short hit list of realistically winnable seats. But a lot of their top team are in danger, not least Clegg.

Surely LibDems should be singing this from the rooftops.

'You think the tories have been utter cunts since they got in? Imagine how much worse they'd have been if it wasn't for us reigning them in.'

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They have been

Having more sway within westminster as part of a coalition may allow them to get through more of their parties wishes.

 

It'll be a tricky one, the tories being in power gave the SNP and their ilk massive sway in the independence polls. Sticking it to those southern ponces in London had a lot of power in their campaign.

Had it been a labour government perhaps the vote wouldn't have been as close.

 

Through the punk scene and poetry crowd i know lots of hard line lefty folk who want to vote Green or even further left (Class War etc) but say that its a 'wasted vote' as they won't get enough votes to get seats.

These people are Voting Labour 'to get the tories out' rather than voting for the policies they support. The main downside to FPTP voting for me.

The problem is having more say also means they will be seen by Scottish voters as being part of the very establishment they campaign against. Anything unpopular they can't just wash their hands of in a coalition. Go issue by issue and they can easily say 'not our fault'.

 

They are a leftist anti Westminster party. They cannot afford to be seen as becoming too ensconced in the very thing they campaign against. Mind the chance of power often corrupts ones principles....

The Queen is descended from the fourth son of George III.

Cameron is descended from the third son as a bastard.

It's just wrong that a load of angry Scottish communists can sway so much decision over the rest of the civilised people in Britain.

 

When they lost the Yes vote, Westminster should have fucked them off anyway.

The problem is having more say also means they will be seen by Scottish voters as being part of the very establishment they campaign against. Anything unpopular they can't just wash their hands of in a coalition. Go issue by issue and they can easily say 'not our fault'.

 

They are a leftist anti Westminster party. They cannot afford to be seen as becoming too ensconced in the very thing they campaign against. Mind the chance of power often corrupts ones principles....

If they can play the issue right by saying that by forming a coalition with labour means good things for scrotland they'll be ok. There's fuck all chance of em siding with the tories though.

 

Before the last election the idea of the lib dems forming a coalition with the conservatives would have been dismissed in a similar fashion.

 

As you say the chance of power for a minority party would be a huge carrot

If they can play the issue right by saying that by forming a coalition with labour means good things for scrotland they'll be ok. There's fuck all chance of em siding with the tories though.

 

Before the last election the idea of the lib dems forming a coalition with the conservatives would have been dismissed in a similar fashion.

 

As you say the chance of power for a minority party would be a huge carrot

 

The only way they would go in is on a promise of a second referendum in this parliament.

And if it doesn't materialise they end the coalition and vote everything down.

 

If they stay out they can privately demand commitment to a referendum.

 

The safer option for both major parties is an unholy alliance in the short term. They could even call it the National British Alliance.

Scrap the Fixed Parliament Act and call another election within 12 months when all the other parties would be skint.

I think the SNP would rather pick and choose personally. Their entire existence is Scotland. Being part of a formal UK wide coalition government will only lose them Scottish votes in the end. Lots to lose with potentially little gain.

You essentially argued the exact opposite in relation to the Lib Dems yesterday.

 

When they lost the Yes vote, Westminster should have fucked them off anyway.

Wouldn't that be them winning then?

Anyone who votes the green party should also be ex communicated. What a bunch of fucking idiots they are!

Anyone who votes the green party should also be ex communicated. What a bunch of fucking idiots they are!

What if they are not religious?

Anyone who votes the green party should also be ex communicated. What a bunch of fucking idiots they are!

I'll be honest I'm thinking about it.

 

If they had a Caroline Lucas back in charge or even someone capable of appearing in the press without collapsing they might not come across as the barm pots they do.

 

Like all political parties I don't agree with all their policies but I agree with a good chunk of them.

 

It will probably come down to which of the bury north candidates catch my vote.

I've had a sealed leaflet from that Hilling woman addressed with my name on and everything today. 9/10 for trying but she really is wasting her time.

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What if they are not religious?

Yep Them too.

Had a chat with our labour candidate around the time of the local elections he came across as a decent fella.

Anytime I've seen David Nuttall (the tory mp who got in on the back of Labours David Chaytor being a crook) he's struck me as a bit of a prick.

I'll be honest I'm thinking about it.

 

If they had a Caroline Lucas back in charge or even someone capable of appearing in the press without collapsing they might not come across as the barm pots they do.

 

Like all political parties I don't agree with all their policies but I agree with a good chunk of them.

 

It will probably come down to which of the bury north candidates catch my vote.

Nope I like to think I'm rational but anyone who votes them and that balloon who runs them deserves the divvy title given to them

I'll be honest I'm thinking about it.

 

If they had a Caroline Lucas back in charge or even someone capable of appearing in the press without collapsing they might not come across as the barm pots they do.

 

Like all political parties I don't agree with all their policies but I agree with a good chunk of them.

 

It will probably come down to which of the bury north candidates catch my vote.

 

 

Jesus fucking christ, Frank.

 

You may as well vote for the CPGB. The red rags are bad enough for fucking the country and pissing away our hard earned wealth but the Greens? FFS, they'd have you living in mud huts and relying on the wind and the ebb and flow of the tides for power.

 

Crackpots as are anyone who votes for them.

I've had a sealed leaflet from that Hilling woman addressed with my name on and everything today. 9/10 for trying but she really is wasting her time.

i had one off the Raygun woman one

i had one off the Raygun woman one

poor you, she will get in again no doubt.

Did I see a group called Horwich first on Facebook. ????????????