Battle Of Orgreve 2: Miners Wife's Head Injury-aloo

Edited September 1, 201510 yr by e2e4

http://heyevent.uk/event/hehk7kwil5baia/occupy-the-tory-conference-2015-manchester-central

 

 

"We are going to make it perfectly clear they are not welcome here"

 

Corbyn will be in attendance. Is this really the behaviour becoming of an opposition leader?

 

Savages.

 

Where does it say Corbyn will be in attendance ? (Not doubting you, but can not see any mention)

 

New Labour is so middle of the road that Labour supporters feel they do not have a voice.

 

Dead easy to bash the unions based on the rantings of the extreme but anyone who does not see that they have been the only voice for working class people in certain industries is simply ignoring history.

 

are they now out dated/not needed because most people do get treated fairly I am not sure, but the fact that there is now a politician actually putting the left wing views forward rather than just delivering sound bites surely is not such a bad thing ?

 

Bin Laden was assassinated, how else would people describe it ? Justice ....certainly not by the actually legal definition because he had not been tried in a court of law....deserved probably, but killing someone because you think they deserved it does not make it justice.

 

Women only carriages ? - Not for me, but if it provokes a debate on making using public transport safer is it a bad thing ?

 

Scrapping Trident - Not sure, but no idea how much it costs but given we are never going to use it as the 'enemy' these days is so hard to find would the money be better spent elsewhere ?

 

A bit like Farage on the other side if having an extreme view actually gets a debate going that is the very basis of the democratic principles our whole system is built on. The fact the press are now labelling him as an idiot at least means people are taking some notice of the issues he is raising. I do not like Farage but he has pushed debates on immigration and Europe much higher on the agenda than the any of the other parties would have wanted.

 

A bit like say Michael Foot in the past I do not see him as a likely leader of the country in the coming years, but if the Labour party do want to build some credibility as a party they have to decide what they actually stand for, at the moment they are just a poor copy of the Conservatives. If he promotes debate on nurses/firemans working hours and pension rights than again not a bad thing.

 

If he wins and he is so unelectable then what does it say about the rest of the Labour party ? They are out of touch with their own core supporters because lets be honest they stand for nothing these days, their attempts to appeal to the middle ground have failed so they need to reconnect somewhere. Corbyn might not be a long term 'election winning' solution but as a step down the path of re connecting he may have a role to play

 

he might be many things but at least he is a principled politician who stands up for what he believes in which for me is a refreshing change. Probably the views he has are not ones I totally agree with but most politicians these days I do not know what they believe in. The Blairs of this world criticise the man but hardly discuss his views and policies and if Tony Blair does not like him surely that is another good point for the man.

http://heyevent.uk/event/uvyqjdwu2msooa/take-back-manchester-protest-the-tory-party-conference

 

This event is part of the week of protest events. He's down as attending a few more too.

Regarding unions, I have strong views as they had a hand in wrecking the industry I work in and I had to sit round a table with them to witness their idiocy borne of their egos. I've banged on about that before so can't be arsed again. I had the luck,drive, nous and qualifications to carry on my career, many of their members didn't have that luxury.

I hope that I don't have to read up on it, but Corbyn's 2iC was talking about reducing the deficit to nil, which I assume must be from raising taxes (last seen in 70s?)

Blair said that the next Labour leader needs to re-invade Iraq using some special robot soldiers that he has drawn and coloured in himself, they are nuclear and have lasers. We dont need Alice in Wonderland politics said Blair, just trust in himself, George Bush, and Jesus.

Bin Laden was assassinated, how else would people describe it ? 

 

 

The killing in self-defence of the leader of a terrorist organisation with whom America and her allies were at war. Any anyway it isn't the description of his death as assassination which is so objectionable, it's the description of it as a tragedy and the tinfoil hat nonsense about whether or not he really was killed.  And the fact that he gave these views to state owned Iranian television. And the implication that America and her allies need to assert their moral superiority over Islamic fascists.

 

Justice ....certainly not by the actually legal definition because he had not been tried in a court of law.

 

 

 

He was free to give himself up at any stage since he blew up Nairobi and Dar es Salaam in 1998, if it was his day in court he wanted.  

 

he might be many things but at least he is a principled politician who stands up for what he believes in

 

 

Where do you draw the line with this? Lots of maniacs over the years have stood up for they believed in too. The problem is exactly the things he believes in, not whether or not he is principled.

So we agree then. You fail to grasp it.

 

As one who has probably lived longer than you, I have seen over and over again the apparent never ending cycle of waste and excess in the name of socialism followed by a period of austerity as conservatism tries to balance the books. The people get pissed off with austerity and the serial squanderers start to look attractive again - right up until the day the piper has to be paid.

 

I strongly believe that a prolonged period of conservative government will mean a stronger economy, more jobs, more money to pay for health and welfare etc. All down to good management and doing the right thing rather than the populist thing.

 

With this in mind, the prospect of the red rags electing an undeniable left wing extremist fruitcake as leader bodes well for a long period of conservative government. We can only hope that the dawn of realisation does not hit those eligible to vote in the Labour leadership election before they have voted.

 

The best thing for Britain.

How long is prolonged for your vision to come true?

 

They had the best part of 20 years last time and ended up losing in a landslide as everything was fucked. That came in an era when they had all the family silver to sell off too... British Gas, BP, BT, the council houses etc etc (all of which we got fuck all for in the grand scheme of things, if we owned all that now we could sell off and be in a much stronger position, with hindsight that was all thrown away in the cheap)

 

Surely the sign of good government is one that gets 20 years and the country is generally happy with the long term outcome, not is then voted out because everyone is sick of the mess?!

 

Surely the lesson would don't push through excessive amounts of austerity too soon to soften the blow.

 

5 years a go Osbourne said he was going to clear the deficit in one term with austerity, Gordon Brown said he would do it in two. Osbourne tried to do it in one and came unstuck so softened his approach mid term and it's worked for them by not stifling the economy. Hopefully now they are in on a full ticket he will not go too heavy again and he's learnt his lesson from last time.

 

I don't know why we need to swing from one philosophy to another as you've seen over the years. Surely we can find a happy medium :-)

The killing in self-defence of the leader of a terrorist organisation with whom America and her allies were at war. Any anyway it isn't the description of his death as assassination which is so objectionable, it's the description of it as a tragedy and the tinfoil hat nonsense about whether or not he really was killed.  And the fact that he gave these views to state owned Iranian television. And the implication that America and her allies need to assert their moral superiority over Islamic fascists.

 

He said it was a tragedy that Bin Laden never faced a court of law, not that his death was tragic. Saying Corbyn admires Islamic terrorist groups is as ridiculous as the left accusing the Queen of being a Nazi sympathiser.

He said it was a tragedy that Bin Laden never faced a court of law, not that his death was tragic. Saying Corbyn admires Islamic terrorist groups is as ridiculous as the left accusing the Queen of being a Nazi sympathiser.

 

Except for his 'friends' from Hamas and Hezbollah. He admires all who hate the US, UK and Israel. This much is plain and can be easily derived from what what he, you know, says and, like, does. 

 

The killing of Bin Laden was a triumph for anyone who wants our side to win and not, no matter under what circumstances, a 'tragedy.' 

 The killing of Bin Laden was a triumph for anyone who wants our side to win and not, no matter under what circumstances, a 'tragedy.' 

 

Of course, if he had gone to trial he might have revealed the enormous amount of support given by the US under Operation Cyclone. Far more efficient to kill him in whatever circumstances.

The killing in self-defence of the leader of a terrorist organisation with whom America and her allies were at war. Any anyway it isn't the description of his death as assassination which is so objectionable, it's the description of it as a tragedy and the tinfoil hat nonsense about whether or not he really was killed.  And the fact that he gave these views to state owned Iranian television. And the implication that America and her allies need to assert their moral superiority over Islamic fascists. - No idea what he has dropped in the 'if he was killed' line, but the 'tragedy' bit answered by others on here

 

 

 

He was free to give himself up at any stage since he blew up Nairobi and Dar es Salaam in 1998, if it was his day in court he wanted.  - So the free world we are proud of and you are fighting for is one in which one government declares someone is fair game and then kills him as he had been given a chance to hand himself in ?

 

 

Where do you draw the line with this? Lots of maniacs over the years have stood up for they believed in too. The problem is exactly the things he believes in, not whether or not he is principled.- I do not draw a line in having an opinion, he is very honest about his views even if that are not popular, most politicians these days do not offer that

 

He is nor for me, the problem with socialist principles and the real world is that the system falls over when people abuse it and there are too many people who will and do abuse the system, the very people who need a government that looks to support people are largely the ones who undermine it.

All 4 of them on a channel 4 news special now.

I'd tune in, but I've found a bit of fluff in my bellybutton, so I'll be looking at that instead.

I'd tune in, but I've found a bit of fluff in my bellybutton, so I'll be looking at that instead.

Fair enough. I look forward to your next ill informed post on this subject then.

I don't think I've chimed in with owt previously, ill-informed or not.

 

Anyhow, if current events become significant in some way I'll catch up on them retrospectively.

 

I've finished with regarding my bellybutton fluff, so I'm sat answering emails and looking out at a lovely pink and blue sky/clouds/sunset - instead of watching four twats squabbling.

This is a pretty good snapshot (by Private Eye) of the way Corbyn is being consistently misquoted by the media.

 

The Private Eye is propaganda for Commies.

The Private Eye is propaganda for Commies.

 

 

Never a truer word typed - even if you did type it in jest.

 

Cheese - 'pretty good'?

 

FFS.

Edited September 2, 201510 yr by bolty58

This is a pretty good snapshot (by Private Eye) of the way Corbyn is being consistently misquoted by the media.

 

 

I'm a subscriber and big admirer of Private Eye but this is bollocks.  All of them - except Telegraph August 11th - are either true or are plainly opinion pieces.

 

It's amazing how many of his supporters and sympathisers say they like him because he's straight talking then spend all their time denying that he's said the things he's said.

The Private Eye is propaganda for Commies.

 

 

Hahaha! Is it fuck. A few of you in here are as bad as the Loonie Corbyn supporters, but on the other side of the political divide. As soon as you see something you disagree with it's "SOCIALIST PROPAGANDA!!!!".

 

Unless you can give a few examples of how Private Eye is Communist propaganda of course...

Edited September 2, 201510 yr by Cheese

Cheese, you knob, anyone on here who doesn't read the Daily Mail and hasn't got a secret crush on Margaret Thatcher is a commie to our Aussie friend and the Bolty Youth movement.

Manual workers and people with “physically demanding jobs” should be allowed to retire and claim pensions earlier than those in office jobs, Jeremy Corbyn has said.

Writing for The Telegraph, Mr Corbyn said construction workers, prison officers, firefighters and policemen should be exempt from the rising state pension age.

 

Manual workers and people with “physically demanding jobs” should be allowed to retire and claim pensions earlier than those in office jobs, Jeremy Corbyn has said.

 

Writing for The Telegraph, Mr Corbyn said construction workers, prison officers, firefighters and policemen should be exempt from the rising state pension age.

The Greeks did something similar but were very liberal in their definition of hard, physical labour. For example hair dressers could retire early and if this board is anything to go by I cannot imagine many more cushy jobs.

Notwithstanding everything, I really want Corbyn elected as Labour Leader, just for the craic

Saw Mrs BD at DL, are you coming back?