August 14, 201511 yr Reclaim the lost Empire?? Send all the toffs sweeping on horseback across Middle Asia, claim a few small islands as ours, and introduce tea and gin to the massed uneducated hordes in the far-flung corners of the earth. Nick anything valuable from any country and we are out of austerity. I'm in!!
August 14, 201511 yr Isn't it nowt to do with real politics per se, but people wanting to support anything that's not an identikit, suited and booted old Etonian clone (of whatever party)? Hence the approval ratings Sturgeon got even among English who were poled after the debates, the popularity of Farage and now yon mon. Which makes the inability of the lasses in this race to connect more unfathomable. One of them needs to be photographed on the beach with her flubs "accidentally" on show. Or summat.
August 14, 201511 yr Isn't it nowt to do with real politics per se, but people wanting to support anything that's not an identikit, suited and booted old Etonian clone (of whatever party)? Hence the approval ratings Sturgeon got even among English who were poled after the debates, the popularity of Farage and now yon mon. Which makes the inability of the lasses in this race to connect more unfathomable. One of them needs to be photographed on the beach with her flubs "accidentally" on show. Or summat. I think people approved of Sturgeon because they agreed with her message. I wouldn't mind having a look at her flubs mind. There are very few flubs I wouldn't mind having a look at. Personally I wouldn't care if it was Sir Jeffrey Hillpig Smythe riding to parliament on a penny farthing or Dylwyn Jones fresh from down the pit with a dead canary and a lamp - if I believe in what they're saying - I'm liable to vote for them.
August 14, 201511 yr The thing with Corbyn is when he says something he believes it. Most politicians say what a committee of lackeys has told them to say and will cause the least ripples. He's the lefty nigel farage in that sense.
August 15, 201511 yr http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/11804199/How-to-speak-like-a-Corbynite-a-helpful-guide.html Principled. Adjective describing the political motives of Corbynites. “My support for reopening the coal mines is principled.” Compare: Ideological. Ideological. Adjective describing the political motives of Corbynites’ opponents. “The Tories’ cuts to public services are merely ideological.” Compare: Principled. Edited August 15, 201511 yr by maaarsh
August 15, 201511 yr I think people approved of Sturgeon because they agreed with her message. I wouldn't mind having a look at her flubs mind. There are very few flubs I wouldn't mind having a look at. Personally I wouldn't care if it was Sir Jeffrey Hillpig Smythe riding to parliament on a penny farthing or Dylwyn Jones fresh from down the pit with a dead canary and a lamp - if I believe in what they're saying - I'm liable to vote for them. I'd go with that.
August 15, 201511 yr It's quite sweet to see spring-time for the hard left, full of all the old delusions that it's popular really and just needs a good showing in public. We'll see where we stand in a few years. It'll be worth a few chuckles seeing who gets the blame when the caravan moves on. Blair will be at fault somehow.
August 15, 201511 yr It's quite sweet to see spring-time for the hard left, full of all the old delusions that it's popular really and just needs a good showing in public. We'll see where we stand in a few years. It'll be worth a few chuckles seeing who gets the blame when the caravan moves on. Blair will be at fault somehow. Well, Blair is responsible, as he gave the scots devolution
August 15, 201511 yr the need to tackle climate change What is it you people mean exactly when you say that? Like all cliches it is meaningless. What are you actually proposing to do about this climate thing than no-one knows anything about and simply won't behave in the way the computers say it should? How will you know once it has been tackled? What will be too high a cost in terms of what it will take to do so? What will the climate look like when A) it's been tackled or if it is not tackled? engaging with those we've traditionally seen as 'the enemy' to achieve peace in the middle east Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Can you think why Islamic fundamentalist terrorists whose aim is to destroy a democratic sovereign country and kill all its citizens should be considered anything other than the enemy? If he can do that - he could reinvigorate the Labour vote and win back seats in Scotland. Doubtful. He might reinvigorate the Tories up there though. There are several seats going begging if the unionist vote from the likes of Lib Dem vote heads back towards the Conservatives. Labour can forget it. As is labeling anybody who might choose to back him a moron. It's hard to draw any other conclusion. The anti-semites, the terrorist lovers, the SWP and the eco-extremists, as well as the likes of Abbott and Livingstone, are supporting him which says quite a lot. You can tell a great deal by the sort of person a politician gains support from, even if he seems nice and fluffy himself. He won't last twelve months. There are twenty two Labour MPs supporting him. Less than 10%.
August 15, 201511 yr Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Can you think why Islamic fundamentalist terrorists whose aim is to destroy a democratic sovereign country and kill all its citizens should be considered anything other than the enemy? . I do find it odd when you see female sandal wearers with this, let's get into a dialogue, attitude. Love, they'll rape you then kill you when they've got bored but you crack on and have a go.
August 15, 201511 yr What is it you people mean exactly when you say that? Like all cliches it is meaningless. What are you actually proposing to do about this climate thing than no-one knows anything about and simply won't behave in the way the computers say it should? How will you know once it has been tackled? What will be too high a cost in terms of what it will take to do so? What will the climate look like when A) it's been tackled or if it is not tackled? Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Can you think why Islamic fundamentalist terrorists whose aim is to destroy a democratic sovereign country and kill all its citizens should be considered anything other than the enemy? Doubtful. He might reinvigorate the Tories up there though. There are several seats going begging if the unionist vote from the likes of Lib Dem vote heads back towards the Conservatives. Labour can forget it. It's hard to draw any other conclusion. The anti-semites, the terrorist lovers, the SWP and the eco-extremists, as well as the likes of Abbott and Livingstone, are supporting him which says quite a lot. You can tell a great deal by the sort of person a politician gains support from, even if he seems nice and fluffy himself. He won't last twelve months. There are twenty two Labour MPs supporting him. Less than 10%. Corbyn's elder brother will put him right about climate change. Ruth Davidson (Scots Cons) is an impressive debater - whether she can make an impact remains to be seen. The anti-semites objected strongly to Zionist Martin Gilbert being on the panel for the Chilcot inquiry. But it was his forensic cross-examination of Blair which is at the heart of the current issues, as Gilbert is now dead and those fighting a rearguard action hope to reduce his impact (and may yet succeed). Many of those now in their twenties who might have become Liberal voters may be tempted by Labour now, which is scary. And watch out for Degsy making a late run before a 70+ y-o Corbyn faces a General Election.
August 16, 201511 yr What is it you people mean exactly when you say that? Like all cliches it is meaningless. What are you actually proposing to do about this climate thing than no-one knows anything about and simply won't behave in the way the computers say it should? How will you know once it has been tackled? What will be too high a cost in terms of what it will take to do so? What will the climate look like when A) it's been tackled or if it is not tackled? Well I'm the wrong person to ask about that Maggie as I'm not a climate scientist and neither are you. But as you seem to be going down your usual track of posing questions which would require an unfathomably long reply to even begin to answer I'll give it my best shot so as not to look as if I'm dodging your question. I'm not proposing to do anything. I don't need to propose to do anything because I'm not the person making the claim. I am willfully deferring all decision making on this subject to people who are actually qualified to offer a judgement on the matter. Unfortunately for you - the overwhelming majority of people who are actually qualified to offer a judgement the matter either agree with or are neutral to the premise that climate change exists and that human carbon emissions are likely to have been the most important driving factor in the change since the 50's. You (and you're not alone in this) are a victim of a well understood error in reasoning known as confirmation bias. You selectively choose which bits of information to concentrate on and attach a hugely weighted bias towards anything which supports your deeply entrenched beliefs. I'm not immune to it - all humans fall victim to it to some extent. That's why on an issue as emotionally charged and complicated as climate change - I take my human frailties out of the equation and, as I've previously mentioned, leave it to people who are actually qualified to offer a judgement the matter. Believe me - as the more extreme ends of climate change theory postulate an earth without an atmosphere and the eventual extinction of all life on the planet with the possible exception of a few hardy bacteria, I genuinely hope that this has all been a huge mistake and that there has been nothing to worry about all along. As soon as the overwhelming majority of the people who are actually qualified to offer a judgement on the matter change their minds - I'll change my mind too. It has nothing to do with political ideology for me. Riiiiiiiiiiiiight. Can you think why Islamic fundamentalist terrorists whose aim is to destroy a democratic sovereign country and kill all its citizens should be considered anything other than the enemy? Maggie - I'm not suggesting we walk up to an ISIS executioner and ask them to sit down and while we try to find some middle ground. I am suggesting that its highly unlikely that we're going to find a long term solution to the historic problems in the middle east without at least some agreement from all quarters. I don't understand why that is such a difficult concept to understand. Doubtful. He might reinvigorate the Tories up there though. There are several seats going begging if the unionist vote from the likes of Lib Dem vote heads back towards the Conservatives. Labour can forget it. Can't see it. Although it's a possibility. If there were still a Scottish Unionist Party of any notable description I might agree with you. It's hard to draw any other conclusion. The anti-semites, the terrorist lovers, the SWP and the eco-extremists, as well as the likes of Abbott and Livingstone, are supporting him which says quite a lot. You can tell a great deal by the sort of person a politician gains support from, even if he seems nice and fluffy himself. He won't last twelve months. There are twenty two Labour MPs supporting him. Less than 10%. For a man who supposedly despises cliches you're certainly keen on using them. My brother is a Corbyn supporter, as is my Father. Neither of them are morons. Nor are they 'anti-semetic' or 'terrorist lovers'. It's easy to throw around insults on here. Edited August 16, 201511 yr by kent_white
August 16, 201511 yr Ruth Davidson (Scots Cons) is an impressive debater - whether she can make an impact remains to be seen. I agree, if the Conservatives are serious about Scotland they will put her in a senior govt position in Westminster as the next election approaches and give her the national prominence she deserves and Scottish unionism requires. As soon as the overwhelming majority of the people who are actually qualified to offer a judgement on the matter change their minds - I'll change my mind too. Good, because they will as soon as the gravy train stops rolling after another decade or so of the temperature flatlining, sea ice expanding instead of melting and extreme weather events becoming no more prevalent than before and the more and more often the computer predictions which have been relied upon for all this crap get wronger and wronger and wronger. There is not one shred of evidence based on observation of actual, you know, events, to support the theory that the climate has altered unnaturally in the last 60 years or so or that humans have anything at all to say about how it behaves. Or even that humans are able to predict what it is going to do next The only sensible thing to do about the climate is nothing and lots of people are starting to get it. There is a far wider debate than there was ten years ago and it is all heading towards mine and Piers Corbyn's side of the fence as far as I can see. Maggie - I'm not suggesting we walk up to an ISIS executioner and ask them to sit down and while we try to find some middle ground. I am suggesting that its highly unlikely that we're going to find a long term solution to the historic problems in the middle east without at least some agreement from all quarters. I don't understand why that is such a difficult concept to understand. Everyone knows that differing sides will have to agree if peace is to be made. Why does that involved Corbyn referring to Hamas and Hezbollah as his friends? There (a few) moderate Palestinians who would happily live alongside Israel is peace. Likewise the same sentiment exists very prominently in Israel. Why doesn't Corbyn seek their friendship instead of those groups who think the way forward is another Holocaust? If there were still a Scottish Unionist Party of any notable description I might agree with you. With the exception of the Greens, SNP and a couple of fringe left groups, all the parties in Scotland are unionists. There are areas of the northeast and the borders where the Conservative vote is quite strong but is hampered by the unionist vote being split three ways. There are several winnable seats next time around. My brother is a Corbyn supporter, as is my Father. Neither of them are morons. Nor are they 'anti-semetic' or 'terrorist lovers' Perhaps not. But supporting him is moronic. And you don't have to read very deeply to see that some seriously shady elements are also supporting him. Doesn't it cause a second's discomfort to see the sort of people amongst them? Follow Louise Mensch on twitter if you're at all interested. If your brother and old man are comfortable voting for a man whose views on Israel have secured him the support of a large number of anti semites than I suppose that's up to them.
August 16, 201511 yr Good, because they will as soon as the gravy train stops rolling after another decade or so of the temperature flatlining, sea ice expanding instead of melting and extreme weather events becoming no more prevalent than before and the more and more often the computer predictions which have been relied upon for all this crap get wronger and wronger and wronger. There is not one shred of evidence based on observation of actual, you know, events, to support the theory that the climate has altered unnaturally in the last 60 years or so or that humans have anything at all to say about how it behaves. Or even that humans are able to predict what it is going to do next The only sensible thing to do about the climate is nothing and lots of people are starting to get it. There is a far wider debate than there was ten years ago and it is all heading towards mine and Piers Corbyn's side of the fence as far as I can see. Why do the VAST majority of scientists agree that 'human influenced climate change' is a real thing then?!
August 16, 201511 yr Can we The royal 'we', perhaps some of us aren't arsed or like them. ...ban these multi quote How would this 'ban' be enforced, would it be down to each mod? They kill a good... That's very debatable (it's 'good') thread Needle Street.
August 17, 201511 yr Why do the VAST majority of scientists agree that 'human influenced climate change' is a real thing then?! Because that way they get a larger share of the budget spend. Just as IT professionals bigged up Y2K problems. Of course some work was needed as many operational programs were written in the expectation that they would be replaced well before the millennium, but the scale of overkill was outrageous. Very little actually went wrong, one bank lost a few days interest on gazzillions which may perhaps have queried the illusion of efficiency which it presented (and continues to, despite its subsequent problems).
August 17, 201511 yr Y2K was great, we had a funded scheme which meant we could 'give away' £3k courses on the back of the perception everything would go tits up if they weren't prepared.. Cue a few months of people smashing sales targets and earning up to £10k commission per month
August 17, 201511 yr Why do the VAST majority of scientists agree that 'human influenced climate change' is a real thing then?! There's plenty of evidence to show "Global Warming" (or whatever the religion is called this week) is flawed. Such as that the global temperature hasn't risen since 1998 Edited August 17, 201511 yr by boltondiver
August 17, 201511 yr There's plenty of evidence to show "Global Warming" (or whatever the religion is called this week) is flawed. Such as that the global temperature hasn't risen since 1998 Which is why they don't call it "Global Warming" any more. Still doesn't explain why the vast majority of scientists agree that human influenced climate change. The argument that they get more funding by making false claims doesn't make any sense at all, as the scientific system doesn't work like that. Scientific research is peer-reviewed, by people/establishments who have nothing to gain at all by agreeing with false claims. Surely, even simply common sense tells people that pumping millions of tons of pollution into the atmosphere can't be good for the environment. So even in the unlikely event that human influenced climate change turned out to be false, what have we got to lose? "What a load of bullshit! We've created a cleaner, less-polluted planet for our children! What a waste of money!" Edited August 17, 201511 yr by Cheese
August 17, 201511 yr Why do the VAST majority of scientists agree that 'human influenced climate change' is a real thing then?! No jobs or funding for anyone who doesn't. No publication in journals for anyone who doesn't. Hard to speak out and say you and thousands like you have jobs or appointments which depend on a non-problem. Which is why they don't call it "Global Warming" any more. Yes, because what actually happened after 1998 as opposed to what the computers said would happen if CO2 continued to be added to the atmosphere proved the global warming theory to be horseshit. Nothing that anyone has ever predicted about the climate's future behaviour has yet proved accurate. They said it would be about two degrees warmer by now than it currently is. They said the ice caps would melt by 2015 - the Arctic is its largest for decades. They said extreme weather events would increase in frequency. They haven't. That is all that the sceptics or if you're a Guardian reader 'climate deniers' try to point out. What, then, is the sense is believing predictions made now? Surely, even simply common sense tells people that pumping millions of tons of pollution into the atmosphere can't be good for the environment. So even in the unlikely event that human influenced climate change turned out to be false, what have we got to lose? "What a load of bullshit! We've created a cleaner, less-polluted planet for our children! What a waste of money!" CO2 is not a pollutant. It's pretty much the only reason anything exists. What have we got to lose??? Our entire way of life, economic well being and energy provision. But apart from that you're right, nothing much.
August 17, 201511 yr Have a watch of the great global warming swindle documentary I have. Have a watch/listen to a multitude of actual science programmes on the topic of climate change.
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