Donald Dead Cat On Is Head Trump

[bolty58]

It is hilarious how right wingers bleat on about leftist media control and "Commie" media spin, political correctness, lack of free speech....yet when Trump is actually doing all of this publically and in a wide open way they absolutely lap it up.

 

It is so depressing how dogmatic the right wing is. Tied irreversibly to a political dogma. It has become a sport. They want to win, that is it. The fact that it is all about people's lives and the world's future doesn't even enter their minds. So long as they win, they'll justify anything. Like a cult. 

They are exactly what the extreme left are. Except that is confined to the extreme left whereas it now pervades the whole of the right of politics.

 

Scary. 

 

Twaddle. Slowly but surely more and more red is starting to show with you. Don't come the 'centrist' bollocks with me. Get it changed to kgbfan1.

[Guest]

Twaddle. Slowly but surely more and more red is starting to show with you. Don't come the 'centrist' bollocks with me. Get it changed to kgbfan1.

 

Ha. So you're ok with state controlled media then? Or not? Or are you part of the new alt-right cult where its a disgrace and abhorrent, until Trump says its ok?

[bolty58]

Ha. So you're ok with state controlled media then? Or not? Or are you part of the new alt-right cult where its a disgrace and abhorrent, until Trump says its ok?

 

 

You are really trying to push the label of "state controlled media" on to free conservatism in the western world? FFS, you must need a lobotomy pal.

 

State controlled media was a feature of the Soviet Bloc; is a feature of China and North Korea and I believe still is a problem in that communist 'Valhalla' which is Cuba.

 

I think you can work out what they all have in common. I'll bet you are involuntarily making the clenched fist salute just reading about them.

 

The media in the US is most definitely anti Trump apart from the odd exception so I don't know what your point is?

 

Alt right? Some think I am but others think I'm a cunt. C'est la vie.

[Guest]

You are really trying to push the label of "state controlled media" on to free conservatism in the western world? FFS, you must need a lobotomy pal.

 

State controlled media was a feature of the Soviet Bloc; is a feature of China and North Korea and I believe still is a problem in that communist 'Valhalla' which is Cuba.

 

I think you can work out what they all have in common. I'll bet you are involuntarily making the clenched fist salute just reading about them.

 

The media in the US is most definitely anti Trump apart from the odd exception so I don't know what your point is?

 

Alt right? Some think I am but others think I'm a cunt. C'est la vie.

 

Trump has said he wants to be able to remove rights from outlets who publish stories he doesn't like. That is the very definition of "state control".

 

He wants all media vetted by the Whitehouse (i.e. him).

 

All the right were totally against any form of state control and then suddenly the other day Trump says this and they all try to suddenly say "yeah state controlled media is a great thing".

 

Blokes a moonman. As are his supporters. There really isn't anything else to say. 

[madthatter]

Ha. So you're ok with state controlled media then? Or not? Or are you part of the new alt-right cult where its a disgrace and abhorrent, until Trump says its ok?

 

What's he done/said now then?

 

If he's said the majority of the mainstream press are biased against him I'd say he's correct.

 

Heard he's banned Iron Bru from his golf resorts north of the border so it can't stain the carpets.  Sensible policies from a sensible man  

[mickbrown]

What's he done/said now then?

 

If he's said the majority of the mainstream press are biased against him I'd say he's correct.

 

Heard he's banned Iron Bru from his golf resorts north of the border so it can't stain the carpets. Sensible policies from a sensible man

This is what the daft twat tweeted

 

The Fake News is working overtime. Just reported that, despite the tremendous success we are having with the economy & all things else, 91% of the Network News about me is negative (Fake). Why do we work so hard in working with the media when it is corrupt? Take away credentials?

[Guest]

What's he done/said now then?

 

If he's said the majority of the mainstream press are biased against him I'd say he's correct.

 

Heard he's banned Iron Bru from his golf resorts north of the border so it can't stain the carpets.  Sensible policies from a sensible man

 

He's been talking about taking away press credentials when people write stories he doesn't agree with. In other words, controlling the media himself. At first you could put it down to another mad twitter ramble. But the whitehouse have confirmed it is under consideration. 

[madthatter]

This is what the daft twat tweeted

 

The Fake News is working overtime. Just reported that, despite the tremendous success we are having with the economy & all things else, 91% of the Network News about me is negative (Fake). Why do we work so hard in working with the media when it is corrupt? Take away credentials?

 

hmm.  I'm not a fan of twitter or social media, and especially for figures like the PoUS, but seems the way of things now and he's had success with it.

 

He should make these things less personal but I would agree that the free press is compromised and have said for a while that a more effective independent form of adjudication is needed to maintain impartiality and balance. 

 

That McCann mon was on't wireless saying a similar thing about the Leveson inquiry yesterday.

 

If he suggests it should be the Whitehouse that do the 'filtering' then he's totally wrong.

Edited May 11, 2018 by madthatter

[mickbrown]

hmm.  I'm not a fan of twitter or social media, and especially for figures like the PoUS, but seems the way of things now and he's had success with it.

 

He should make these things less personal but I would agree that the free press is compromised and have said for a while that a more effective independent form of adjudication is needed to maintain impartiality and balance. 

 

That McCann mon was on't wireless saying a similar thing about the Leveson inquiry yesterday.

 

If he suggests it should be the Whitehouse that do the 'filtering' then he's totally wrong.

 

Also negative does not equal fake

[madthatter]

Also negative does not equal fake

 

No it doesn't.  But if a media outlet only show negative stories etc then I'd question their intentions as a provider of public information

Edited May 11, 2018 by madthatter

[mickbrown]

No it doesn't.  But if a media outlet only show negative stories etc then I'd question their intentions as a provider of public information

 

And I imagine you feel the same about a network like Fox that just pushes positive Trump news?

[Guest]

hmm.  I'm not a fan of twitter or social media, and especially for figures like the PoUS, but seems the way of things now and he's had success with it.

 

He should make these things less personal but I would agree that the free press is compromised and have said for a while that a more effective independent form of adjudication is needed to maintain impartiality and balance. 

 

That McCann mon was on't wireless saying a similar thing about the Leveson inquiry yesterday.

 

If he suggests it should be the Whitehouse that do the 'filtering' then he's totally wrong.

 

That's what he and more worryingly the whitehouse are suggesting. 

[madthatter]

And I imagine you feel the same about a network like Fox that just pushes positive Trump news?

 

Yes I would.  Form what I see Fox at least try to engage in debate and offer some balance.

 

CNN are so blatantly left leaning it's laughable.  I'm getting bored by the left wing media's attempts to keep creating narratives, especially where Trump is concerned.

 

They all play 'the game' but, and I'm surprised to find myself saying this as I'm no FOX/Murdoch fan, Fox seem the more professional as they at least allow opposing views to be aired - that they usually don't hold under scrutiny is quite telling

[madthatter]

That's what he and more worryingly the whitehouse are suggesting. 

 

Won't happen.  He really does need to learn to engage brain before speaking at times.

 

I still think he has a valid point about the press though.  

 

Ultimately, I think he'll work it in his favour and they are unknowingly helping him secure a second term imo.

Edited May 11, 2018 by madthatter

[mickbrown]

Yes I would.  Form what I see Fox at least try to engage in debate and offer some balance.

 

CNN are so blatantly left leaning it's laughable.  I'm getting bored by the left wing media's attempts to keep creating narratives, especially where Trump is concerned.

 

They all play 'the game' but, and I'm surprised to find myself saying this as I'm no FOX/Murdoch fan, Fox seem the more professional as they at least allow opposing views to be aired - that they usually don't hold under scrutiny is quite telling

 

Fox engage in debate? Really?

 

Jesus - I'm genuinely shocked you think that

[madthatter]

Fox engage in debate? Really?

 

Jesus - I'm genuinely shocked you think that

 

I've seen a lot of Tucker Carlson and he usually has guests on from both 'sides' and encourages folk to defend their opinions

 

I don't have Sky myself but they seem to do a surprisingly decent job.

 

As I said, none are perfect but I'd say the right is marginally better than the left at the minute.

 

The left wing media seem to have created a 'safe space' for themselves.

[madthatter]

 

As an e.g.  TC may push an agenda but I'd find it hard to refute the idea that immigration hasn't helped California over the last 50 years.

 

The other guy's counters are weak arguments and he avoids the plain truth.

 

If that was left media they'd be showing how poor the drug users are and how America is failing them . . .

 

My view, fwiw; only allow folk into your country that will improve it (or to save their lives if in danger i.e. asylum).  When your country is strong ensure you prioritise helping other nations grow.  I'd say that's pretty central and not far off what TC is getting at here.

[Salford Trotter]

I've seen a lot of Tucker Carlson and he usually has guests on from both 'sides' and encourages folk to defend their opinions

 

I don't have Sky myself but they seem to do a surprisingly decent job.

 

As I said, none are perfect but I'd say the right is marginally better than the left at the minute.

 

The left wing media seem to have created a 'safe space' for themselves.

Half of the Fox team now advise Trump which is indicative of where the station's loyalty lie. If you think Sean Hannity gives a balanced view and allows critical debate re Trump then i have to disagree.

 

In my view Trump doesn't help himself with so many untruths being spouted daily that it is only right that the media keep him honest. The Washington Post counted 3000 lies/twisted truth in 18 months going back to the Inauguration crowds and his extra marital affairs just to name a couple that he has blatently lied about.

 

I read an article yesterday about Trump's golf prowess claiming that he had just shot a 73 making him, if true, one of the best 71 year old golfers in the world. You dig deeper and you find that he generally shoots a provisional (that he doesn't count) should he lose his first and he feels happy to play 'gimme' on those 'easy' 20ft puts. Other fellow players have recalled times when he has kicked his ball out of the rough when he thought no one was looking. This behaviour pretty much epitomises his attitude to everything he does.

Edited May 11, 2018 by Salford Trotter

[madthatter]

Half of the Fox team now advise Trump which is indicative of where the station's loyalty lie. If you think Sean Hannity gives a balanced view and allows critical debate re Trump then i have to disagree.

 

In my view Trump doesn't help himself with so many untruths being spouted daily that it is only right that the media keep him honest. The Washington Post counted 3000 lies/twisted truth in 18 months going back to the Inauguration crowds and his extra marital affairs just to name a couple that he has blatently lied about.

 

I read an article yesterday about Trump's golf prowess claiming that he had just shot a 73 making him, if true, one of the best 71 year old golfers in the world. You dig deeper and you find that he generally shoots a provisional (that he doesn't count) should he lose his first and he feels happy to play 'gimme' on those 'easy' 20ft puts. Other fellow players have recalled times when he has kicked his ball out of the rough when he thought no one was looking. This behaviour pretty much epitomises his attitude to everything he does.

 

ha ha!  Was saying to my Mrs the other day that I bet he'd be a right twat to play golf with  

 

I don't want to overly defend the man but his points about the press, self-serving or not, have merit.

 

I only watch snippets of Fox here and there so my view isn't complete but the clip I posted above does show that they will debate (they are clearly pro Trump though, I agree).   The left have a growing compulsion to silence anything they disagree with which for a news co-orp is worrying.

[Guest]

Won't happen.  He really does need to learn to engage brain before speaking at times.

 

I still think he has a valid point about the press though.  

 

Ultimately, I think he'll work it in his favour and they are unknowingly helping him secure a second term imo.

That is a prime example. Trump talks about controlling the press and its written off with a "won't happen". 

 

IF Corbyn said something along similar lines there would be absolute, unadulterated uproar. He would only need to hint at press accuracy or the like and the usual suspects, the DM, Express, folk on here would be going absolutely mental.

 

The right has definitely become a weird cult. 

[madthatter]

That is a prime example. Trump talks about controlling the press and its written off with a "won't happen". 

 

IF Corbyn said something along similar lines there would be absolute, unadulterated uproar. He would only need to hint at press accuracy or the like and the usual suspects, the DM, Express, folk on here would be going absolutely mental.

 

The right has definitely become a weird cult. 

 

Hardly . . .

 

I'd give it more credence if I thought he really intended to, or in reality could (which he couldn't) go through with his words.

 

If Corbyn said it you'd bet he meant it and it was well thought out and deliberate - but he wouldn't as he's a bit more intelligent than Donald I reckon.

 

With Trump, I find it hard to take him seriously; that's the difference for me.  wink wink handshake handshake  

[Salford Trotter]

ha ha!  Was saying to my Mrs the other day that I bet he'd be a right twat to play golf with

 

I don't want to overly defend the man but his points about the press, self-serving or not, have merit.

 

I only watch snippets of Fox here and there so my view isn't complete but the clip I posted above does show that they will debate (they are clearly pro Trump though, I agree).   The left have a growing compulsion to silence anything they disagree with which for a news co-orp is worrying.

if the guy spoke the truth once in a while he may have a more sympathetic press.

 

I watch Anderson Cooper on CNN quite a bit and like you with Fox take their anti-Trump rhetoric into account when forming my views. I thought his questioning of Comey at his Town Hall debate a couple of weeks back was fair and balanced. One thing about the goings on at the WH is that the Trump family have all but disappeared from public view now whether that is due to the Special Counsel investigation closing in on them or the FBI looking into their business affairs i can't say but something is going on

[MalcolmW]

American politics has been sliding towards the abyss for many years.

Trump has certainly accelerated that, but it started in 1978 with Newt Gingrich "It is a war for power".

Traditional forbearance went out of the window.

 

Recommended reading: "How Democracies Die" by Levitsky and Ziblatt.

[Guest]

Hardly . . .

 

I'd give it more credence if I thought he really intended to, or in reality could (which he couldn't) go through with his words.

 

If Corbyn said it you'd bet he meant it and it was well thought out and deliberate - but he wouldn't as he's a bit more intelligent than Donald I reckon.

 

With Trump, I find it hard to take him seriously; that's the difference for me.  wink wink handshake handshake

 

 

I'm sorry; anybody who believes so firmly in communism cannot be regarded as any way intelligent.

[mickbrown]

I'm sorry; anybody who believes so firmly in communism cannot be regarded as any way intelligent.

 

 

What was madthatter saying about stifling debate?