is that it now game over no chance of POTUS

 

Rayguns out

It is working for them. Because it's not the 'communism' that people think of when they conjure up the image. It's evolved and it embraces elements of capitalism. The idea that you can't buy what you want in these countries is decades old. If you spent some time there - like you and Zico have - you'd be hard pressed to notice much difference (apart from the flags).

 

Anyway - I was just making the point that in some instances Communism does seam to be working - just like in some instances - capitalism doesn't seem to be. Just because East Berlin floundered while West Berlin flourished isn't necessarily the full story - the outcome was influenced by the historical and social context of the period.

 

Anyway - for those that think I'm agitating for a communist system in the UK (I'm not) - but I do think it's daft to say it can/has/will never work.

 

No, I agree - see my post above  

 

Like the right and left today, ideas of communism and capitalism aren't as clear cut in practice as they may appear on paper

It is working for them. Because it's not the 'communism' that people think of when they conjure up the image. It's evolved and it embraces elements of capitalism. The idea that you can't buy what you want in these countries is decades old. If you spent some time there - like you and Zico have - you'd be hard pressed to notice much difference (apart from the flags).

 

Anyway - I was just making the point that in some instances Communism does seam to be working - just like in some instances - capitalism doesn't seem to be. Just because East Berlin floundered while West Berlin flourished isn't necessarily the full story - the outcome was influenced by the historical and social context of the period.

 

Anyway - for those that think I'm agitating for a communist system in the UK (I'm not) - but I do think it's daft to say it can/has/will never work.

 

 

One of the main pillars of communism is for only state, not private, ownership. China, Vietnam et al are therefore not communist.

 

And, therefore, have a chance of working!

One of the main pillars of communism is for only state, not private, ownership. China, Vietnam et al are therefore not communist.

 

And, therefore, have a chance of working!

Well indeed. And it shows there are a huge range of models between communism and rampant free market capitalism. Also shows anyone calling Corbyn a Commie is being utterly ridiculous.

Well indeed. And it shows there are a huge range of models between communism and rampant free market capitalism. Also shows anyone calling Corbyn a Commie is being utterly ridiculous.

 

 

How's about John McConnell?

How's about John McConnell?

McDonnell aligns himself to Marxism but I couldn't tell you how that differs to Communism

Just a question, why is it ok for the US to have nuclear weapons but not anyone else?

Just a question, why is it ok for the US to have nuclear weapons but not anyone else?

 

 

Because they can be trusted not to use them?

Because they can be trusted not to use them?

Apart from the two occasions when they have.

One of the main pillars of communism is for only state, not private, ownership. China, Vietnam et al are therefore not communist.

 

And, therefore, have a chance of working!

Maybe things have moved on since 1848?

Apart from the two occasions when they have.

It was a joke!

Maybe things have moved on since 1848?

Eh, maybe!

 

New, improved, communism. Now with added market force catalysts!

It was a joke!

Hard to tell on a forum - that's why I end up putting smiley faces after everything!

Is it fuck as daft. You can't point me to one success story. China has pretty much proved the horseshoe theory since letting their industrious masses loose. Some of their repressive actions are not far from what Nazi Germany did (Holocaust excluded). Political opponents just disappear.

 

Running through the rest of them - the Soviet Bloc failed, North Korea and Cuba are fucking basket cases, Venezuela is a (Corbynista admired) joke which will collapse and don't even mention the Khmer Rouge.

 

It can't/hasn't and will never work for one simple reason. It removes human aspiration to better one's lot. The end.

Hard to tell on a forum - that's why I end up putting smiley faces after everything!

Don’t know how to do a smiley face

Don’t know how to do a smiley face

: and then )

 

With no spaces of course!

: and then )

 

With no spaces of course!

Skills!

How do you draw a cock and balls?

How do you draw a cock and balls?

 

 

Is it fuck as daft. You can't point me to one success story. China has pretty much proved the horseshoe theory since letting their industrious masses loose. Some of their repressive actions are not far from what Nazi Germany did (Holocaust excluded). Political opponents just disappear.

 

Running through the rest of them - the Soviet Bloc failed, North Korea and Cuba are fucking basket cases, Venezuela is a (Corbynista admired) joke which will collapse and don't even mention the Khmer Rouge.

 

It can't/hasn't and will never work for one simple reason. It removes human aspiration to better one's lot. The end.

Went to a Russian performances of Life and Fate on Saturday, absolutely stunning. Anyway, the novel is worth a read but if you can’t be bothered, there is a radio 4 play that’s its serialised.

 

Anyway, upshot is of the novel is to see the axis between Trotskyism and Germany’s National Socialism. Also the debates between the Trots of ‘Socialism in One Country’ and the more liberal who wanted s more United Europe.

 

Ultimately, there is not one form of Communism, Socialism or indeed Capitalism.

the novel is worth a read but if you can’t be bothered, there is a radio 4 play that’s its serialised.

What if you can't be bothered listening to the Radio 4 play?

Get a theatre ticket, it’s only 3 hours, shortest of the lot. Ends Thursday. Cheapest ticket a prole scaring 90 odd quid comrade.

Get a theatre ticket, it’s only 3 hours, shortest of the lot. Ends Thursday. Cheapest ticket a prole scaring 90 odd quid comrade.

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Get a theatre ticket, it’s only 3 hours, shortest of the lot. Ends Thursday. Cheapest ticket a prole scaring 90 odd quid comrade.

Do they do a discount for us Momentum members?