is that it now game over no chance of POTUS

 

Rayguns out

8 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Look what happened when the US reneged on the deal, the Iranians continued, regardless of the others in P5+1.

As I've said repeatedly and will say again, look at Obama's involvement in the existing deal, may just open those blinkers Neddy 😊

Trump reneged and said any world banks doing business with Iran would face sanctions in the US

No self respecting global bank would rather do business with Iran over the US 

Rendering the whole thing dead in the water, despite the other 5 wanting to stand by the deal 

It wasn’t just Obama who agreed the deal, it was our government along with others. It was working, perhaps not as much as some would have liked. Since it’s been canned, relations have got worse. 

Edited January 4, 20206 yr by birch-chorley

5 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Trump reneged and said any world banks doing business with Iran would face sanctions in the US

No self respecting global bank would rather do business with Iran over the US 

Rendering the whole thing dead in the water, despite the other 5 wanting to stand by the deal 

It wasn’t just Obama who agreed the deal, it was our government along with others. It was working, perhaps not as much as some would have liked. Since it’s been canned, relations have got worse. 

Maybe it was a useful fudge but one that no one is really that happy with. A lesser of two evils perhaps. Don't know enough about the full details to be honest.

As for worsening relations: you may well be right, but the actions of Iran have been going on well before the Americans withdrew from the deal. They're a hugely shit stirring nation, looking to destabilise where ever possible to promote their influence, via terrorism and direct attacks through other agencies.

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Maybe it was a useful fudge but one that no one is really that happy with. A lesser of two evils perhaps. Don't know enough about the full details to be honest.

As for worsening relations: you may well be right, but the actions of Iran have been going on well before the Americans withdrew from the deal. They're a hugely shit stirring nation, looking to destabilise where ever possible to promote their influence, via terrorism and direct attacks through other agencies.

Spot on once again pal.

I put a different link up on this thread this afternoon re Obama and his funnelling of funds to Iran (the one ST said he couldn't read as he was in Morrrisons stockpiling bananas and baked beans, but still replied to every other post).

That's an interesting read and also gives an inkling to the fudged deal.

11 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Maybe it was a useful fudge but one that no one is really that happy with. A lesser of two evils perhaps. Don't know enough about the full details to be honest.

As for worsening relations: you may well be right, but the actions of Iran have been going on well before the Americans withdrew from the deal. They're a hugely shit stirring nation, looking to destabilise where ever possible to promote their influence, via terrorism and direct attacks through other agencies.

Ok then, flip side 

What positives have come from Trump reneging on the deal? 
 

Has anything good, at all, come from that move? 

3 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Ok then, flip side 

What positives have come from Trump reneging on the deal? 
 

Has anything good, at all, come from that move? 

Yes.....this.....give it one minute of your time 😏

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-iran-terrorism/

9 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Ok then, flip side 

What positives have come from Trump reneging on the deal? 
 

Has anything good, at all, come from that move? 

Depends upon your perspective I suppose. Increased sanctions hitting hard in Iran. People out protesting against the regime. Maybe that's why they're upping attacks recently, to detract from home issues.

Maybe the killing of the general will backfire, who knows. But I do believe there's a rationale to the American action, whether its right or not we'll see in time.

54 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Yes.....this.....give it one minute of your time 😏

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obama-iran-terrorism/

Before I waste a minute of my time, I have never heard of Investors Business Daily, I wouldn’t waste my time reading bollocks being spun by some gob shite web site as much as you wouldn’t read the Guardian 

A quick check for bias, low and behold...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/
 

Save you bothering with the link....

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. 

Do you have anything from a main stream, reliable source that supports your conspiracy theory against Obama? 

 

7 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Before I waste a minute of my time, I have never heard of Investors Business Daily, I wouldn’t waste my time reading bollocks being spun by some gob shite web site as much as you wouldn’t read the Guardian 

A quick check for bias, low and behold...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/
 

Save you bothering with the link....

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. 

Do you have anything from a main stream, reliable source that supports your conspiracy theory against Obama? 

 

Are you  pissed or puddled ?

That links confirms the findings from a Senate Committee investigation.

As you were

19 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Before I waste a minute of my time, I have never heard of Investors Business Daily, I wouldn’t waste my time reading bollocks being spun by some gob shite web site as much as you wouldn’t read the Guardian 

A quick check for bias, low and behold...

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/investors-business-daily/
 

Save you bothering with the link....

These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. 

Do you have anything from a main stream, reliable source that supports your conspiracy theory against Obama? 

 

Conspiracy theory eh ? Insults now eh boy...... here you go from a centre left source.....care to continue ?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-senate-report-says-obama-officials-gave-iran-access-to-u-s-financial-system/#

Edited January 4, 20206 yr by miamiwhite

Shit conspiracy theory eh ?

Proven facts.

Will you read it now ? Will you fuck.

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cbs-news/

Edited January 4, 20206 yr by miamiwhite

9 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Conspiracy theory eh ? Insults now eh boy...... here you go from a centre left source.....care to continue ?

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/gop-senate-report-says-obama-officials-gave-iran-access-to-u-s-financial-system/#

No personal insults at all? 

Yes I will read something from CBS, not sure why you would choose to post a link from some far right web site that nobody has ever heard of over a main stream outlet that’s a lot more credible 

From what I can see it’s much less of a conspiracy as has been made out on your far right link. In the spirit of good faith, in order to get the deal over the line the Obama administration granted a licence so that Iran could transfer its own money from Omani currency to another currency that can be widely used. Any transaction of that size would need to pass through US$ For a short period during clearing and would be subject to fines as per the sanctions in place, thus Obama giving the licence 

Still doesn’t make me think that it was a ‘bad deal’. Simply put, if Iran row’s back on making nuclear weapons then we lift financial sanctions so they can bring a bit of prosperity to their country / people. Carrot rather than stick 

Since Trump ditched the carrot option and instead chose to return to stick it’s caused nothing but mither, fucking pointless 

8 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Left wingers....bunch of moaning losers.

Have a good afternoon, I've better things to do

Mustn't have been much. 

16 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

No personal insults at all? 

Yes I will read something from CBS, not sure why you would choose to post a link from some far right web site that nobody has ever heard of over a main stream outlet that’s a lot more credible 

From what I can see it’s much less of a conspiracy as has been made out on your far right link. In the spirit of good faith, in order to get the deal over the line the Obama administration granted a licence so that Iran could transfer its own money from Omani currency to another currency that can be widely used. Any transaction of that size would need to pass through US$ For a short period during clearing and would be subject to fines as per the sanctions in place, thus Obama giving the licence 

Still doesn’t make me think that it was a ‘bad deal’. Simply put, if Iran row’s back on making nuclear weapons then we lift financial sanctions so they can bring a bit of prosperity to their country / people. Carrot rather than stick 

Since Trump ditched the carrot option and instead chose to return to stick it’s caused nothing but mither, fucking pointless 

Thanks for your time and now you know it's not a conspiracy. 

Shame you didn't mention Obama's deceit, I didn't think you would ....that only applies to Trump 😊

16 hours ago, kent_white said:

Like we did with Saddam Hussein you mean?

Quite the contrary as I have argued on here many times. Saddam and Gaddafi would have been far better left in place to keep the undesirables under control.

This is a completely different kind of cunt we are discussing here and you know it.

12 hours ago, royal white said:

The man has just had one of the most dangerous men in the world taken out but you’re moaning because you haven’t seen his tax returns 😂😂🤦‍♂️

Now he's lost all hope of remain he'll be even more hysterical about all things Trump. Lad needs a hobby.

8 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Quite the contrary as I have argued on here many times. Saddam and Gaddafi would have been far better left in place to keep the undesirables under control.

This is a completely different kind of cunt we are discussing here and you know it.

I agree. But it's the same principle. He's just assassinated one of Iran's lynch pins, without consulting his allies, on sovereign foreign territory. Risking being pulled into another (and potentially much more serious) military conflict in the Middle East, despite his whole foreign policy being set out as non-interventionist. It looks like back of a fag packet politics to me.

And this idea that they had intelligence that an attack against US personnel was imminent. And that killing this guy has eliminated that threat. Presumably the wasn't going to carry it out himself? That attack could still take place this afternoon. And I'd also imagine that Iran had some sort of succession planning in place and that whoever takes the reins will now be in charge of an organisation (and it's proxies) that are fully fired up and have now got a high profile 'martyr' for them to go to paradise for.

And sticking the stars and stripes on his Twitter feed? What a monumental bell. Straight out of the 'Mission Accomplished' school.

And if anybody wants to shut down the debate (brexiteers are racist style) by saying 'this is just because you hate trump' then you can get fucked. I'm judging each of his actions on its merits. And whatever way I toss it up, this was a stupid move.

And by the way - it's great to see our new PM showing such much needed British Leadership on this one. The shithouse.

Like him or hate him, agree or disagree with him but can we all agree that the commander in chief in charge of the most powerful country In the world, should shut the fuck up when it comes to discussing potential future targets?

What about some Integrity for fucks sake.

Announcing to the world they have 52 more Iranian targets they will hit hard and fast, will cause hysteria and panic. 
 

The shit haired ape.

 

Edited January 5, 20206 yr by Rudy’s Message

We'll be dealing with the damage that this clown is creating for the next hundred years.

Fucking hell - even Tucker Carlson is panning him. I'd better hand my liberal, snowflake, hand wringing card in. 

21 minutes ago, kent_white said:

And by the way - it's great to see our new PM showing such much needed British Leadership on this one. The shithouse.

Perhaps his initial silence is the leadership you're looking for.

Pompeo sounded a little miffed that immediate European backing wasnt forthcoming. Maybe Boris was sending a signal out.

As it is, steps have been taken in response, warships back on escorting duties, foreign secretary meeting European counterparts before going to the US.

Not sure what more we can do (publicly at least).

Boris is busy slotting his pudgy winkie into expensive Caribbean hookers, his silence isn’t politically motivated.

Leave him alone, lad needs a holiday. 😊

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Boris is busy slotting his pudgy winkie into expensive Caribbean hookers, his silence isn’t politically motivated.

Leave him alone, lad needs a holiday. 😊

Quite right. Reckon we all could do with one.

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I agree. But it's the same principle. He's just assassinated one of Iran's lynch pins, without consulting his allies, on sovereign foreign territory. Risking being pulled into another (and potentially much more serious) military conflict in the Middle East, despite his whole foreign policy being set out as non-interventionist. It looks like back of a fag packet politics to me.

And this idea that they had intelligence that an attack against US personnel was imminent. And that killing this guy has eliminated that threat. Presumably the wasn't going to carry it out himself? That attack could still take place this afternoon. And I'd also imagine that Iran had some sort of succession planning in place and that whoever takes the reins will now be in charge of an organisation (and it's proxies) that are fully fired up and have now got a high profile 'martyr' for them to go to paradise for.

And sticking the stars and stripes on his Twitter feed? What a monumental bell. Straight out of the 'Mission Accomplished' school.

And if anybody wants to shut down the debate (brexiteers are racist style) by saying 'this is just because you hate trump' then you can get fucked. I'm judging each of his actions on its merits. And whatever way I toss it up, this was a stupid move.

Seriously what do you suggest when attacks are taking place on the American Embassey? 
 

 

Bizarre course of action. The organisation he headed is still there and now will be led by someone else. 
 

They’ll be some shit to fall out falling this.
 

Trump's a cock.