is that it now game over no chance of POTUS

 

Rayguns out

No doubt in my mind that this mom in Iran was a bad mon, they’ve got intel on the ground and in the sky of the whereabouts to him. So timing doesn’t come into it for me, they’ve got a clean shot at him and a small window with minimal civilian casualties they should go and take it. 
 

No doubt there will be repercussions from it but when has that ever stopped murica.

Hes still got shit hair.

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I rather suspect that many were motivated beyond mere money

This belongs on the In out thread. 

 

Just now, Salford Trotter said:

This belongs on the In out thread. 

 

I know, no idea how it is over here!

On Trump

i very rarely comment on him

But, I am broadly in favour of his action

5 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Let's put this straight fella.

How many have died in the Middle East before us or the US got involved ?

Millions is your answer.

It will never be solved

How about answering the question I asked...

Please give me 1 good reason why it was right for him to tear that deal up when ourselves and the rest of the world still believed it to be for the greater good? (When I say 1 good reason, I don’t mean because he fancied it and he’s the President) 
 

Of course millions have died in the ME, millions more highly likely to follow 

Trump reneging on a deal made in good faith hasn’t done the situation any favours though has it 

Just now, birch-chorley said:

How about answering the question I asked...

Please give me 1 good reason why it was right for him to tear that deal up when ourselves and the rest of the world still believed it to be for the greater good? (When I say 1 good reason, I don’t mean because he fancied it and he’s the President) 
 

Of course millions have died in the ME, millions more highly likely to follow 

Trump reneging on a deal made in good faith hasn’t done the situation any favours though has it 

Read the link I posted earlier fella, all explained in there.

Trump reneging on that deal has not made an iota of difference, simple as,and you've answered it yourself without knowing.

7 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Read the link I posted earlier fella, all explained in there.

Trump reneging on that deal has not made an iota of difference, simple as,and you've answered it yourself without knowing.

Not interested in a link 

Simple ask 

Give me 1 reason why he was right to renege on a deal made in good faith when the likes of ourselves, Germany etc still believed in the deal 

If you think that their is absolutely no correlation between that deal getting kiboshed and the rising tensions between them and the West then I think your deluding yourself  

14 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Not interested in a link 

Simple ask 

Give me 1 reason why he was right to renege on a deal made in good faith when the likes of ourselves, Germany etc still believed in the deal 

If you think that their is absolutely no correlation between that deal getting kiboshed and the rising tensions between them and the West then I think your deluding yourself  

Not interested in a link ? How old are you fella ,  3 ?

Like I say, everything is in the link or do you not want to see the facts ?

As for me deluding myself, stop being a tart and look at the history of the Middle East,  it will never be solved with any fucking deal.

The different strains of Muslim people will never ever mix. That is another fact, but you being so smart will obviously think you can change many hundreds of years of mass murder.

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

why didn’t he fund Jeremy then? Chaos disruption, disfunction would have been guaranteed. (Not that there’s any prove of him funding anyone) 

Probably because he feels it's in his interests for Brexit to happen and a Corbyn election victory might've opened up the possibility of a second referundum happening.

48 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Not interested in a link 

Simple ask 

Give me 1 reason why he was right to renege on a deal made in good faith when the likes of ourselves, Germany etc still believed in the deal 

If you think that their is absolutely no correlation between that deal getting kiboshed and the rising tensions between them and the West then I think your deluding yourself  

Because the deal was a political fudge which wasn't actually working. It suited everyone to pretend that it was, but Trump dislikes anything done by Obama and chooses to see the faults.

I'm not saying he was right but I'm certainly not saying he was wrong on this.

Taking the general out was not smart however.

[Imagine what would have happened if the Iranian mortars had killed Blair on his secret visit to Baghdad in 2007. Only about 20 people knew the visit was happening but unfortunately the then PM of Iraq told the Iranian ambassador (for which he subsequently apologised).]

46 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Not interested in a link ? How old are you fella ,  3 ?

Like I say, everything is in the link or do you not want to see the facts ?

As for me deluding myself, stop being a tart and look at the history of the Middle East,  it will never be solved with any fucking deal.

The different strains of Muslim people will never ever mix. That is another fact, but you being so smart will obviously think you can change many hundreds of years of mass murder.

Not bothering with the link as it’s a simple question that requires a sentence or two in response, that’s if you have 1good reason why the deal should have been scrapped

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

Not bothering with the link as it’s a simple question that requires a sentence or two in response, that’s if you have 1good reason why the deal should have been scrapped

Pathetic.

Told you several times, all the answers you need are in the link.

Don't bother me again now fella, you're boring me.

Sooner or later the Americans were going to give them a bloody nose. Long term, who knows whether it will transpire to have been the best move, lots of differing opinions will emerge no doubt.

Short term, can't blame them one bit. How many Israelis, Saudis, Yemenis, Iraqis, Americans, Britons and whoever else have died at the hands of Iran and it's proxy war actions. Can't go on for ever.

4 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

Not bothering with the link as it’s a simple question that requires a sentence or two in response, that’s if you have 1good reason why the deal should have been scrapped

The film is very informative.

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

The film is very informative.

Don't waste your time and energy mate, he won't listen. Just like he won't respond to Malc who politely answered the question for me.

3 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Sooner or later the Americans were going to give them a bloody nose. Long term, who knows whether it will transpire to have been the best move, lots of differing opinions will emerge no doubt.

Short term, can't blame them one bit. How many Israelis, Saudis, Yemenis, Iraqis, Americans, Britons and whoever else have died at the hands of Iran and it's proxy war actions. Can't go on for ever.

Exactly pal.

The left are at a loss with this one. They're slating Trump for killing the twat, yet they were slating the Iranian when he was causing grief in Syria etc. Absolutely clueless some of them when it comes to politics.

They also forgdt he headed the Quds Forces...from the river to the sea.......if you know what that means then fair play.

Have you ever come across a clever Yank on travel's abroad ? Only a thick working class bloke from a Northern town with limited education asking.

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Don't waste your time and energy mate, he won't listen. Just like he won't respond to Malc who politely answered the question for me.

I didn't know about George Bush 'cutting the legs of his own diplomats', as explained in that.

As with now, such a weighty system has people in and out of loops and remote from each other.

Suppose that's the case with many a democracy.

The issue of Iran is indeed a difficult one. Ultimately I suppose the basic options are to keep involvement in the region, keep alliances etc, or just pull the fuck out entirely, let them twat each other to oblivion, then just deal with the remnants as necessary.

What is for sure, if allied forces left, and all hell broke loose, plenty would soon be begging for them to go back in.

9 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Exactly pal.

The left are at a loss with this one. They're slating Trump for killing the twat, yet they were slating the Iranian when he was causing grief in Syria etc. Absolutely clueless some of them when it comes to politics.

They also forgdt he headed the Quds Forces...from the river to the sea.......if you know what that means then fair play.

Only politics?

 

If in doubt - watch Binkov!

 

14 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Pathetic.

Told you several times, all the answers you need are in the link.

Don't bother me again now fella, you're boring me.

I was after only one answer 

You’ve wrote paragraphs since without just giving me a simple answer, bizarre 

Malcolm has given an answer, simple enough, the deal wasn’t working. I’d disagree, given the other signatories of the deal wanted to stand by it. If it really wasn’t working I’d have thought everyone would have been happy to renege on the deal, not just the US 

4 minutes ago, leigh white said:

Have you ever come across a clever Yank on travel's abroad ? Only a thick working class bloke from a Northern town with limited education asking.

Met some good ones through work.

Also some dodgy Iranians. One of whom was an archetypal, woman suppressing, rude, self opinionated, lying, scheming, devious shit of human being.

1 minute ago, birch-chorley said:

I was after only one answer 

You’ve wrote paragraphs since without just giving me a simple answer, bizarre 

Malcolm has given an answer, simple enough, the deal wasn’t working. I’d disagree, given the other signatories of the deal wanted to stand by it. If it really wasn’t working I’d have thought everyone would have been happy to renege on the deal, not just the US 

Look what happened when the US reneged on the deal, the Iranians continued, regardless of the others in P5+1.

As I've said repeatedly and will say again, look at Obama's involvement in the existing deal, may just open those blinkers Neddy 😊

It is tempting to just leave the backward tribes to it, but then we have to consider Israel, oil not seeming to be so much of a future issue (?)

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Met some good ones through work.

Also some dodgy Iranians. One of whom was an archetypal, woman suppressing, rude, self opinionated, lying, scheming, devious shit of human being.

I must have been like an Iranaian in the early 70s.😀