Just finished power, was fucking brilliant

In real life Bob Mortimer is not supposed to be a very nice person alledgidly??

Enjoyed White Lotus

9 hours ago, Cheese said:

Gone Fishing series 4 started tonight and is now available on iPlayer. Magnificent. One of the best things ever aired on TV.

Bob Mortimer is a national treasure. 

I’m going watching Bob do a one off “Night with Bob” at the bridgewater hall in a couple of weeks. I assume it’s part of the promo for his new book.

I could watch him mowing his lawn and still laugh until it hurt. He’s the funniest man on earth.

And yes, Gone Fishing is remarkable telly. They should show it to people threatening to jump off bridges. They’d be down and hugging the police within 15 minutes.

Just when you think you've seen and heard all you possibly could about 9/11, a program like "Surviving 9/11" comes along on BBC2 now, this is a hard, hard watch.

20 hours ago, Cheese said:

Gone Fishing series 4 started tonight and is now available on iPlayer. Magnificent. One of the best things ever aired on TV.

Bob, when he catches a fish...🤣

13 hours ago, Whitestar said:

In real life Bob Mortimer is not supposed to be a very nice person alledgidly??

You mean allegedly...

anyway I think you're close to heresy. pal.

10 hours ago, Steejay said:

You mean allegedly...

anyway I think you're close to heresy. pal.

Seen what you did there 🤔

11 hours ago, Marc505 said:

Just when you think you've seen and heard all you possibly could about 9/11, a program like "Surviving 9/11" comes along on BBC2 now, this is a hard, hard watch.

That has really fired up my interest in conspiracy theories again.

9 minutes ago, Whitestar said:

That has really fired up my interest in conspiracy theories again.

It was Tom Cruise and the Scientolojollywallies.

Everyone knows that.

12 hours ago, Marc505 said:

Just when you think you've seen and heard all you possibly could about 9/11, a program like "Surviving 9/11" comes along on BBC2 now, this is a hard, hard watch.

Aye, I'll watch anything about it but that was up there 

Apparently there were 300+ expecting fathers died that day, and there's a program knocking about where they interview some of the now grown up kids

20 minutes ago, Zico said:

Aye, I'll watch anything about it but that was up there 

Apparently there were 300+ expecting fathers died that day, and there's a program knocking about where they interview some of the now grown up kids

The wife of a firefighter describing the injuries he got after being killed by a woman who fell from the building was utterly gruesome.

 

26 minutes ago, Spider said:

The wife of a firefighter describing the injuries he got after being killed by a woman who fell from the building was utterly gruesome.

 

My owd fella is an engineer he wanted to be a structural engineer but he got in with a firm in aviation, now he’s straight down the line, a man of science any conspiracies he just refuses to get involved or believe them. The 9/11 ones have had him interested, not the planes hitting the towers , but the way they fall, and the way an adjacent building  falls world trade centre 7 fell after debris hitting it. He’s not for having that one.

There is a huge rabbit hole of conspiracies on YouTube about it but that’s the one where my dad is incredibly and unusually sceptical 

1 hour ago, Spider said:

The wife of a firefighter describing the injuries he got after being killed by a woman who fell from the building was utterly gruesome.

 

Aye, and how he would've been gutted that she broke his nose

45 minutes ago, Rudy said:

My owd fella is an engineer he wanted to be a structural engineer but he got in with a firm in aviation, now he’s straight down the line, a man of science any conspiracies he just refuses to get involved or believe them. The 9/11 ones have had him interested, not the planes hitting the towers , but the way they fall, and the way an adjacent building  falls world trade centre 7 fell after debris hitting it. He’s not for having that one.

There is a huge rabbit hole of conspiracies on YouTube about it but that’s the one where my dad is incredibly and unusually sceptical 

The thing about the conspiracies are the sheer amount of people you'd have to have in on it to pull it off 

They fall apart for me with the fact the US government, or something similar, would've struck a deal for Western hating terrorists to hijack and crash planes for them 

2 hours ago, Rudy said:

My owd fella is an engineer he wanted to be a structural engineer but he got in with a firm in aviation, now he’s straight down the line, a man of science any conspiracies he just refuses to get involved or believe them. The 9/11 ones have had him interested, not the planes hitting the towers , but the way they fall, and the way an adjacent building  falls world trade centre 7 fell after debris hitting it. He’s not for having that one.

There is a huge rabbit hole of conspiracies on YouTube about it but that’s the one where my dad is incredibly and unusually sceptical 

Agree. And last night the bloke who was 1st on the scene in Pennsylvania said he felt things weren't right, although the programme wasn't about that i felt he wanted to add his own views.

I suspected this all along...

They'd finally shut up about it.

Then the 20th anniversary would come and they'd start droning on again.

9 hours ago, Zico said:

Aye, I'll watch anything about it but that was up there 

Apparently there were 300+ expecting fathers died that day, and there's a program knocking about where they interview some of the now grown up kids

So many different aspects like that to it that you wouldn't think of straight away. It's one of those events that's so huge that I find it hard to comprehend still after all this time.

And how "analog" everything still was even though it was 2001. They would have had a far harder job suppressing the more graphic images from that day if it had occurred barely 5 years later with social media taking off.

6 hours ago, Whitestar said:

Agree. And last night the bloke who was 1st on the scene in Pennsylvania said he felt things weren't right, although the programme wasn't about that i felt he wanted to add his own views.

 

I don't buy the proper wacky theories regarding 9/11 (though they're interesting/mental to read) but I do feel United 93 is the one with most doubt over what really happened. I thought the program was going to slide down a conspiracy route a couple of times but I'm glad it didn't it would have totally ruined the tone.

There's a book worth reading called "Touching History" by Lynn Spencer focused specifically on what happened with the air traffic control and Air Force response that day. Loads of interviews with pilots about what they were being told to do if necessary etc.

Edited August 31, 20214 yr by Marc505

Back to Life series two is on iplayer. Well worth a watch.

1 hour ago, Marc505 said:

So many different aspects like that to it that you wouldn't think of straight away. It's one of those events that's so huge that I find it hard to comprehend still after all this time.

And how "analog" everything still was even though it was 2001. They would have had a far harder job suppressing the more graphic images from that day if it had occurred barely 5 years later with social media taking off.

 

I don't buy the proper wacky theories regarding 9/11 (though they're interesting/mental to read) but I do feel United 93 is the one with most doubt over what really happened. I thought the program was going to slide down a conspiracy route a couple of times but I'm glad it didn't it would have totally ruined the tone.

There's a book worth reading called "Touching History" by Lynn Spencer focused specifically on what happened with the air traffic control and Air Force response that day. Loads of interviews with pilots about what they were being told to do if necessary etc.

Hmmm, might look that up.

What got me thinking was when there was no trace of a single human body in the rural Pennsylvania crash site.

Lockerbie was bodies everywhere from a much bigger plane (so much more fuel) , a much higher altitude and having had a mid air explosion.

5 minutes ago, Whitestar said:

Hmmm, might look that up.

What got me thinking was when there was no trace of a single human body in the rural Pennsylvania crash site.

Lockerbie was bodies everywhere from a much bigger plane (so much more fuel) , a much higher altitude and having had a mid air explosion.

Without being too gruesome

the plane that was flown into the mountainside in France a few years back hit so hard that they didn’t find more than a few toes and hands. Nothing intact.

Humans are 70% liquid. We aren’t designed to hit the floor at almost 600mph without exploding like a melon.

United 93 hit the floor at 590mph and was pulverised.

Lockerbie was a relatively small bomb and the plane itself broke apart after a hole was ripped in the side.

You need to read up a bit more, but the forces involved are unimaginable 

50 minutes ago, Whitestar said:

Hmmm, might look that up.

What got me thinking was when there was no trace of a single human body in the rural Pennsylvania crash site.

Lockerbie was bodies everywhere from a much bigger plane (so much more fuel) , a much higher altitude and having had a mid air explosion.

What's the conspiracy theory there then? That it didn't happen? Or it wasn't a hijacking? Because they had people on the plane who called their loved ones saying it was happening 

And according to wiki 

Somerset County Coroner Wally Miller was involved in the investigation and identification of the remains. In examining the wreckage, the only human body part he could see was part of a backbone.[117] Miller later found and identified 1,500 pieces of human remains totaling about 600 pounds (272 kg), or eight percent of the total.[118] The rest of the remains were consumed by the impact.[119] Investigators identified four victims by September 22 and eleven by September 24.[120][121] They identified another by September 29.[122] 34 passengers were identified by October 27.[123]

All the people on board the flight were identified by December 21. Human remains were so fragmented that investigators could not determine whether any victims were dead before the plane crashed

I find this stuff fascinating, sorry I'm not an expert on air accident investigation or the physics of force and impact but thank for the facts as you must also find this stuff interesting?.

2 minutes ago, Whitestar said:

I find this stuff fascinating, sorry I'm not an expert on air accident investigation or the physics of force and impact but thank for the facts as you must also find this stuff interesting?.

I do 

Thing for me is I was in NYC from 01/09 to 07/09 

Went up the towers on 02/09 

In the grand scheme of things I was amongst the last to go up the towers and see NYC as it was (to be honest been back twice and bar two tall buildings it's the same) 

I could've been there but for the fact the bird i went with at the time was a leeds fan and i sorted the holiday around PL fixtures, 01/09 was international weekend and 08/09 was leeds away and those two were the cheapest flights 

Anyway, i would've been there when it happened had we'd not been playing Leeds away, as it was i missed England beat Germany 5-1 

I digress 

Point is, it was a bit close to the bone for me but I refuse to accept having seen the whole WTC thing up front the week before that other than terrorist nutjobs there was no good reason for anyone else to blow them up on purpose 

And given that nothing of any great positive impact for the US has happened since, I can't imagine what thinking behind an inside job would've been 

So that's my only question for the theorists, is why?

Did a job for a geezer who lived in NY at the time and he was telling me a lot of weird stuff had been going on for weeks beforehand, lots of power cuts for example.

He was English and lived with his Brazilian girlfriend, so maybe wasn't used to the NY culture but said things just didn't feel normal in the lead up.