(That long since we've had any, couldn't find the thread)

Alan Nixon: "Top Liverpool starlet Cameron Branagan will Ben allowed out on loan in Jan.

Bolton lead the race for the 20 year old midfielder"

Edited December 11, 20169 yr by Ratwhite

May be unrealistic, but I'm looking for strikers on the edge of Premier teams squads to come on loan not solid L1 or borderline Champ players like Nombe.

Somebody like Kenny (if not him) who runs into channels and gives us a different option and knows where the back of the net is.  

We've got our big target man in Dalby.

We are also allowed 4 overseas players next year.  Not guaranteed success e.g. Shoen but Fergal obviously has links in Europe.

9 hours ago, Ani said:

I have sympathy with Taylor over the goal he gave away v Port Vale, he was injured.

The key part is ‘Taylor never got one chance to redeem himself’ so surely ask why ? The manager seems the players nearly everyday, we get 90 minutes a week. If in that time all the others did enough in the managers to get a second but he did nt implies it is something he is or is nt doing in training. 

I do get that, if a player isn't getting a chance there's normally a reason.  If we're being kind to him, we'd say its because he had no chance of getting in ahead of either GJ or Conway.  And when the need arose as at Wembley, SS was happy to use Tutu there, even Toal can move over in an emergency.  And SS doesn't put many defenders on the bench anyway.

But whether he's dropped because he's beaten up half the youth team or because he's just not very good, it remains that the other players that were out of favour (even Randall, Apter and TSL) had a decent run of chances to show what they could do.  Its a bit unfair to judge on those cup games which all seemed to be a comedy of errors, and anyway he played well v Huddersfield in the FA Cup as well as scoring.

There isn't a cat in hell's chance he plays 1 minute for us next season now that we've gone up and there's no Pizza Cup, but he won't be alone in that, as we've already seen with the released players.

4 minutes ago, Big E said:

We want to aim higher than Sidibeh

Maybe but with that pace and can score as well I’m not sure what higher you’re looking at?

 

11 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Maybe but with that pace and can score as well I’m not sure what higher you’re looking at?

the lads played mainly dog and duck. if we aim that low we may as well give up. 

23 minutes ago, Rizlar said:

I was never a fan of Sheehan but he’s proved me wrong after watching him more in each game he does so much tracking back and helping the defence which he does well personally I think he will do well in the championship putting his skills against better players happy he signed a contract extension. 

Lots of Josh's detractors miss/ignore the work he does off the ball.
He reads the game so well and I've lost track of how many times he's been the one covering behind our full backs who haven't got back into position.

I'd suggest we've greater areas of concern than Sheehan's role.

16 hours ago, Rizlar said:

Quality player 

The Oxford fan on nottt20 pidcast rates him

32 minutes ago, TrickyTrotter said:

May be unrealistic, but I'm looking for strikers on the edge of Premier teams squads to come on loan not solid L1 or borderline Champ players like Nombe.

Somebody like Kenny (if not him) who runs into channels and gives us a different option and knows where the back of the net is.  

We've got our big target man in Dalby.

We are also allowed 4 overseas players next year.  Not guaranteed success e.g. Shoen but Fergal obviously has links in Europe.

Lads of the sort of profile of Will Lankshear (Spurs) who was on loan at Oxford and did pretty well, 11 goals, 4 assists from 34 starts in a struggling side, would be more the sort I'd imagine we might be looking at. 

With the best will in the world, lads like Nombe and Sidibeh have their ceiling in L1 and we already have enough of those on our books.

Fergal's links in Europe, especially obvs Belgium, may well already be being utilised

I'd never heard of Sidibeh till he scored on Sunday.

Being linked again with 22 year old Luca Stephanson [Right back]  Who has spent the last 12 months at Dundee Utd

Linked with him in January. Celtic and Rangers also mentioned. Parent club is Liverpool so dont know if he is local or not

9 minutes ago, masi 51 said:

Being linked again with 22 year old Luca Stephanson [Right back]  Who has spent the last 12 months at Dundee Utd

Linked with him in January. Celtic and Rangers also mentioned. Parent club is Liverpool so dont know if he is local or not

From County Durham.
Was at Sunderland's Academy before Liverpool paid £500k for him as a 15yr old.

Played 30-odd games for Barrow and 60-odd in Scotland

Scale of the challenge exemplified by a look at a list of all those released by Championship clubs, couldn't honestly see one in there that would jump out as a possible, even from the top 4 or 5 sides. 

Interesting though from Iles article that Fergal and SS were already well on with a Plan A and Plan B of targets, so no doubt already pretty clear on who they're after, notwithstanding Prem clubs only just putting out their retained lists 

3 hours ago, Tombwfc said:

 

It's a bit trite, but getting promoted means all of those were successes in the end.

We needed a steady presence in goal and Bonham provided that, and pulled off great saves in the playoffs. We wouldn't have even made the playoffs if Cissoko hadn't scored against Huddersfield.

I wouldn't be desperate to see any of them here and starting next season, but they all contributed.

Playing devil's advocate here for discussions sake!

But we can't say a player is a success because they scored 1 or 2 goals can we?   That makes Forss a success too.

If you sign for a season and have 2 great moments in 46 games, does that negate the other 40 odd?

This is NOT a dig at Cissoko who we've grown to love, but when we sign a player this summer we aren't thinking its a good signing if we have to wait till April for him to "contribute".

A success is based on their contribution over the season, if Cissoko contributed to winning a few points he presumably also contributed to us losing some games otherwise why was he hauled off at Burton (0-3) etc etc?  The argument might be that if we'd signed a better player we would have been challenging for top 2 instead of getting 28 points less than Lincoln.

Would we sign Bonham/Cissoko/AN Other with the benefit of hindsight if we could take all their good and poor performances again?

3 minutes ago, Traf said:

From County Durham.
Was at Sunderland's Academy before Liverpool paid £500k for him as a 15yr old.

Played 30-odd games for Barrow and 60-odd in Scotland

Yep just read up on him,fits into the type of signing SS/Harkin are starting to try and bring in ie young but already established at a decent level would instantly fit in and plenty re-sale value in the future

1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Playing devil's advocate here for discussions sake!

But we can't say a player is a success because they scored 1 or 2 goals can we?   That makes Forss a success too.

Forss' goals to minutes played is up with the best we had last season 😉  

A goal every 220 minutes.
Kenny was best at 162 minutes/goal followed by Rodrigues at 194 and Dalby at 198

2 hours ago, Big E said:

Taylor is not what we need and we need to get rid. 

CBT is to injury prone. the Championship is hard enough without lads in the medical room getting better each game.

Kenny wants celtic move on

ACD would like to play for Brighton, he doesn't mean he will.

Celtic had a poor season by their standards (OK, I know they did the double 😀) and they will see Kenny as a backward step.

FWIW if we were in L1 I'd say he'd be great signing for us, now we're in the championship I'd hope for something better given that Dalby is going nowhere, we really do need upgrades to hope to compete.

But SS knows that, happy to leave it upto him.

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

I'd never heard of Sidibeh till he scored on Sunday.

I've never heard of most of our signings in the last couple of years.

I'm not expecting us to sign anyone I've heard of this summer either, unless they've already been here on loan.

Sidibe's only been at Stockport 4 months and scored 9 goals already, including two good goals in 2 Wembley appearances, plus the disallowed one.

 

1 hour ago, Traf said:

Forss' goals to minutes played is up with the best we had last season 😉  

A goal every 220 minutes.
Kenny was best at 162 minutes/goal followed by Rodrigues at 194 and Dalby at 198

And if we're making signings for August, would we take another Dalby or Kenny situation where they sign and then get injured?  If Kenny's injury had happened in Feb/March he'd have probably missed the rest of the season and be in the flop category, and Dalby did little of note pre-Christmas and was getting slated as recently as Doncaster away on Boxing Day.

As someone said on here, your best ability is your availability.

7 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I've never heard of most of our signings in the last couple of years.

I'm not expecting us to sign anyone I've heard of this summer either, unless they've already been here on loan.

Sidibe's only been at Stockport 4 months and scored 9 goals already, including two good goals in 2 Wembley appearances, plus the disallowed one.

 

He’s also played for Warrington Rylands. He is not what we need for championship football. 

2 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

your best ability is your availability.

Originally by Brian Dawkins, ex-Philadelphia Eagles/Denver Broncos.

Just now, Big E said:

He’s also played for Warrington Rylands. He is not what we need for championship football. 

I didn't say he is.  It was more a mention that if we haven't heard of someone (eg Gale, ACD, Burstow, Tutu, Kenny, Simons) before we're linked with them, it is no reflection on their ability.

And if we're ruling out players because they've played in the Northern Premier League previously it explains why the likes of Peterboro, Lincoln and Stockport find players at bargain prices and we pay out a million or so for lesser players.

2 hours ago, Big E said:

 

the lads played mainly dog and duck. if we aim that low we may as well give up. 

Brandon Thomas-Asante ex Salford who looked decent for a season, went to Coventry via West Brom and wil play in the premier league next season 

Played at Ebbsfleet prior to Salford. 
 

It does happen. 
 

 

Celtic always have this tricky situation when weighing up whether someone's first team ready or not. 20-odd of their league games are against defences no better than Kenny was carving through before his injury. The other league games and European ties though are a step up, to roughly top end Champ level in the league and beyond that in the UCL

I'm a bit surprised by the negativity towards him up there, but if it created a situation where he was offered back to us I'd have him, I think he can do OK in the Championship 

1 minute ago, boltonboris said:

 

It does happen. 
 

 

it does

see Jamie Vardy

championship Leicester bought him from National League aged 25

2 hours ago, Traf said:

Lots of Josh's detractors miss/ignore the work he does off the ball.
He reads the game so well and I've lost track of how many times he's been the one covering behind our full backs who haven't got back into position.

I'd suggest we've greater areas of concern than Sheehan's role.

He's fantastic at it. And wins his fair share of tackles. I'm convinced it goes unseen by some because he's not a big lump steaming about like a demented bull in a china shop

16 minutes ago, boltonboris said:

Brandon Thomas-Asante ex Salford who looked decent for a season, went to Coventry via West Brom and wil play in the premier league next season 

Played at Ebbsfleet prior to Salford. 
 

It does happen. 
 

 

Jamie Vardy was at Stocksbridge and Halifax and he did alreet