17 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I'm sure their shoeless. malnourished kids will make great future members of society.

Maybe let them work cash in hand and not pay tax to help them get by, and hope nobody reports them

Let them die and reduce the surplus population

Not many shoeless malnourished kids bowling about Jonny Fow in their 110s on their E-bikes

36 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Have you reported them?

https://www.gov.uk/report-benefit-fraud

You'll like this

I actually used that facility recently to report a lad I know is claiming UC whilst working a full time job and payin £9 a week in child maintenance, the scummy cunt.

They said it could take up to 2 years to be fully investigated. Which I don't think is very good, do you?

Maybe investigating fraud should have a little more resource as it will probably pay for itself fairly quickly.

XXX

4 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Not many shoeless malnourished kids bowling about Jonny Fow in their 110s on their E-bikes

Good. Would you rather they were shoeless and malnourished?

2 minutes ago, Spider said:

You'll like this

I actually used that facility recently to report a lad I know is claiming UC whilst working a full time job and payin £9 a week in child maintenance, the scummy cunt.

They said it could take up to 2 years to be fully investigated. Which I don't think is very good, do you?

Maybe investigating fraud should have a little more resource as it will probably pay for itself fairly quickly.

XXX

Good work. I agree.

The other problem is the kids see how mum and dad if he’s around do fuck all but get money. They then think that this is how it’s done so go down the same route when they leave school.

We need to break the circle and teach kids that it’s better to earn a living and to contribute to society.

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

Good. Would you rather they were shoeless and malnourished?

I'd rather their parents got a job and not claim UC, PIP and sell 3 for £100s on the side

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2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I'd rather their parents got a job and not claim UC, PIP and sell 3 for £100s on the side

How do you know the ins and outs of the parents lives?

2 hours ago, boltonboris said:

Let them die and reduce the surplus population

Need a good war but all the benefit scroungers have ADHD so wouldn’t get called up

Start with the illegals, give them fuck all, reassess everyone on UC & PIP and reduce where possible, ensure their rent is paid at source and they have enough for food and small pleasures, ie a telly, ensure that going to work is far more profitable than not doing so. If they won't work due to idleness further reduced their benefits, a great many of those claiming they have ADHD and other mental health type illnesses are taking the piss, I have worked face to face with a lot of them

3 hours ago, Zico said:

So what does he do on his days off?

There's nothing pragmatic about it

You either want to pay your own way or you don't 

Seems it's made too easy for those that don't 

That was my point. I don't agree with his decision. But I can understand why someone might decide not to do 12 additional days a months if they're only going to take home and extra £100 for the effort. 

53 minutes ago, Cheese said:

How do you know the ins and outs of the parents lives?

I am the parent.

1 hour ago, Cheese said:

How do you know the ins and outs of the parents lives?

Just checking

Are you actually satisfied that the current benefits system is working perfectly well and everyone is getting what they deserve?

18 minutes ago, Spider said:

Just checking

Are you actually satisfied that the current benefits system is working perfectly well and everyone is getting what they deserve?

No. But I also understand that fixing it is  not as simple as you're making out.

20 minutes ago, Cheese said:

No. But I also understand that fixing it is  not as simple as you're making out.

The system needs more checks, more assessments. That requires investment in people to do it.

Takes time, but it will pay for itself as it roots out the pisstakers, I have no stats obviously, no one does, but when even you agree the system is fucked then we all know instinctively that it needs tackling.

Farage won’t, he’ll run a mile as soon as any actual work is required.

2 hours ago, Spider said:

The system needs more checks, more assessments. That requires investment in people to do it.

Takes time, but it will pay for itself as it roots out the pisstakers, I have no stats obviously, no one does, but when even you agree the system is fucked then we all know instinctively that it needs tackling.

Farage won’t, he’ll run a mile as soon as any actual work is required.

A bloke I know knows how to navigate these assessments.

Each assessment panel needs to meet certain criteria. If they don't your assessment is void and you can contest what they give you.

Underpaid and over-pushed Doctors are under that much pressure they sign stuff off too easily.

The whole system is fucked.

2 minutes ago, gonzo said:

A bloke I know knows how to navigate these assessments.

Each assessment panel needs to meet certain criteria. If they don't your assessment is void and you can contest what they give you.

Underpaid and over-pushed Doctors are under that much pressure they sign stuff off too easily.

The whole system is fucked.

I used to carry out PIP assessments for prisoners due to be released, I had all the criteria and what part scored the points you needed to claim, out of approx 80 assessments 3 got it, plus 2 former posters off here

Interesting.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/may/01/andy-burnham-westminster-return-plan-within-weeks
 

Could be worse

https://www.dailymail.com/debate/article-15779131/DAN-HODGES-Angela-Rayner-drunk-Britain-Prime-Minister.html

Last one tonight. This multi party sniping is quite refreshing. Sign of the times. Should be interesting for the next coalition government (imo)

Are there some local elections coming up?

 

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

A bloke I know knows how to navigate these assessments.

Each assessment panel needs to meet certain criteria. If they don't your assessment is void and you can contest what they give you.

Underpaid and over-pushed Doctors are under that much pressure they sign stuff off too easily.

The whole system is fucked.

Have you reported him?

5 hours ago, athywhite1958 said:

Start with the illegals, give them fuck all, reassess everyone on UC & PIP and reduce where possible, ensure their rent is paid at source and they have enough for food and small pleasures, ie a telly, ensure that going to work is far more profitable than not doing so. If they won't work due to idleness further reduced their benefits, a great many of those claiming they have ADHD and other mental health type illnesses are taking the piss, I have worked face to face with a lot of them

I've had "mental health" issues all my working life... having to get up early on a Monday morning to go out and earn some money to pay my bills can be depressing and pisses me off and but I just knuckle down and get on with it, I don't go off crying my eyes out in a doctor's surgery... because that's for sick folk.

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Have you reported him?

It's not illegal what he's doing. He just knows how to play the system.

Same as folk claiming carers allowance for people that dont need it.

 

 

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

A bloke I know knows how to navigate these assessments.

Each assessment panel needs to meet certain criteria. If they don't your assessment is void and you can contest what they give you.

Underpaid and over-pushed Doctors are under that much pressure they sign stuff off too easily.

The whole system is fucked.

My missus did a PIP assessment after being made redundant due to illness. So her company paid her off as she could not do her office job. Assessment lasted about 20 minutes and the nurse said it was very unlikely she would qualify. The fact she said she could get out of bed , walk down stairs and bathe herself meant she was out. If she had said ‘only with assistance’ to such questions probably would have got something. The assessment process is a farce honest people who might need some help have no chance. If you are prepared to play the game (lie) you will get something. 
 

Everyone knows people are taking the piss but with over 8m claiming UC the idea that you simply reassess them all and filter out the cheats ignores the scale of the problem , there is no quick fix. 
 

The amount of money lost to benefit fraud is nowhere the amount lost to people avoiding and or evading tax in one way or another. Not as much as was once reported but that gets hardly any attention does it ?

 

https://fullfact.org/online/benefit-fraud-vs-tax-evasion/

 

 

58 minutes ago, gonzo said:

It's not illegal what he's doing. He just knows how to play the system.

Same as folk claiming carers allowance for people that dont need it.

If those people aren't breaking the law, what are you complaining about? That you chose to do a hard job and live a better life than them?