What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

I had 2 meetings with Kathryn Fletcher MP for Ribble a couple of years back. She was on a select committee for science and innovation and was a huge advocate for renewable energy (in particular these small nuclear plants that are cheap to build and operate).

She explained that reserves simply couldn’t be relied on anymore for the UK, and she had access to expert knowledge that sits well beyond any political influence. What she did say was that if we can get the balance right between renewables and fossil fuels, Britain could realistically have a lot of control whilst not having to go fully green, which is impossible anyway given our infrastructure and housing stock.

She was calm, balanced, assured and I think correct. Miliband is extreme but he’ll never get his own way and he knows it. What he does know is that a realistic balance can be achieved so he will continue to push the green agenda and rightly so (caveat, his targets are bollocks and he knows this.).

kathryn Fletcher is a Tory btw. And a bloody good one.

10 hours ago, Winchester White said:

We have been fucking about for about 25 years if not more.

The problem is we are skint and everything has been sold off, we've lost expertise and now everything costs so much more to build.

Thatchers legacy is so much worse than anyone realised at the time and Blair didn't do anything to resolve it, just kicked the can down the road.

A famous quote from Thatcher when asked what her legacy was... "New Labour"

10 hours ago, Spider said:

Careful there now, it sounds like you’re not blaming Labour for everything and that’s not really acceptable 

I'm blaming labour for not fully addressing the situation our country is facing, instead they are limping on towards the summer recess and than conference season

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

We are Norway’s biggest customer of North Sea gas. All those Norwegian workers paying tax. Norwegian companies and supply chain jobs paying tax. 
It may come as a surprise to some but even Rachel Reeves wants to open up our reserves. She’s in conflict with Mad Ed Milliband of course. Just another split in government ranks.

"Old Sparky" in Private Eye has been following this story all year, our current stalling will cost us this winter, the platforms were ready to be towed into position (need summer conditions)

Edited May 28May 28 by Dimron

4 minutes ago, Dimron said:

I'm blaming labour for not fully addressing the situation our country is facing, instead they are limping on towards the summer recess and than conference season

 

Just now, Dimron said:

Private Eye have been following this story all year, our current stalling will cost us this winter, the platforms were ready to be towed into position (need summer conditions)

You might know how much gas there is and how much and how quickly our bills will drop?

22 minutes ago, Spider said:

I had 2 meetings with Kathryn Fletcher MP for Ribble a couple of years back. She was on a select committee for science and innovation and was a huge advocate for renewable energy (in particular these small nuclear plants that are cheap to build and operate).

She explained that reserves simply couldn’t be relied on anymore for the UK, and she had access to expert knowledge that sits well beyond any political influence. What she did say was that if we can get the balance right between renewables and fossil fuels, Britain could realistically have a lot of control whilst not having to go fully green, which is impossible anyway given our infrastructure and housing stock.

She was calm, balanced, assured and I think correct. Miliband is extreme but he’ll never get his own way and he knows it. What he does know is that a realistic balance can be achieved so he will continue to push the green agenda and rightly so (caveat, his targets are bollocks and he knows this.).

kathryn Fletcher is a Tory btw. And a bloody good one.

Good for her. 👍

No one is saying we shouldn’t invest and develop renewables. It’s the future. It’s getting the balance right. Going too far too soon is a political choice. It’s a choice that I disagree with. So does Tony Blair and many, many others. I’ll stick my neck out and say that either Burnham or Starmer will direct more money towards the North Sea extraction very soon. That’s an opinion, not a fact.

Last one on this subject now. Only just seen this from my mate John Soper😉 

‘Quixotic fantasist’😅

https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/2059635743384088901/video/1?s=46

6 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Good for her. 👍

No one is saying we shouldn’t invest and develop renewables. It’s the future. It’s getting the balance right. Going too far too soon is a political choice. It’s a choice that I disagree with. So does Tony Blair and many, many others. I’ll stick my neck out and say that either Burnham or Starmer will direct more money towards the North Sea extraction very soon. That’s an opinion, not a fact.

I’m sure they will. I’ve never said we shouldn’t, what I’m saying is that people seem to think we just turn up with a drill and some barrels and suddenly our bills will drop by 50%.

Facts are falling victim to hyperbole and bullshit. The realisation that any gas we find won’t immediately drop our bills will dawn and leave folk wondering why.

I’ll repeat what I’ve said every time - balance is key with fossils and renewables. We need both.

Interesting discussion on energy from those more knowledgeable than me.

As a simpleton surely the logic though is:

- fossil fuels will be exhausted, one day or another

- the cost of producing them will continue to increase the scarcer they get

- in a more dangerous world run by populist tinpot dictators controlled by oil companies, supply and cost will become more volatile

- self sufficiency and security in affordable and reliable energy supplies are therefore paramount

- sufficient renewables are readily available to us given geography and climate 

- it’s a no brainer - invest and build solar, wind, nuclear as fast as we can, whilst ensuring we have enough fossil fuel access to manage a transition

Where’s the flaw in this? Why can’t ANY government just make some decisions, invest, create jobs and get on with it 🤷‍♂️?

And this is before you layer on the evidence for climate change, which will accelerate food poverty and mass migrations. We’ve not seen anything yet. 

44 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Interesting discussion on energy from those more knowledgeable than me.

As a simpleton surely the logic though is:

- fossil fuels will be exhausted, one day or another

- the cost of producing them will continue to increase the scarcer they get

- in a more dangerous world run by populist tinpot dictators controlled by oil companies, supply and cost will become more volatile

- self sufficiency and security in affordable and reliable energy supplies are therefore paramount

- sufficient renewables are readily available to us given geography and climate 

- it’s a no brainer - invest and build solar, wind, nuclear as fast as we can, whilst ensuring we have enough fossil fuel access to manage a transition

Where’s the flaw in this? Why can’t ANY government just make some decisions, invest, create jobs and get on with it 🤷‍♂️?

And this is before you layer on the evidence for climate change, which will accelerate food poverty and mass migrations. We’ve not seen anything yet. 

You’ll just be accused of being a hippy with things like this.

quite honestly, there is a place for both. The measures taken over recent decades to stem global warming have actually worked, this is what the ruddy-cheeked simpletons never even consider when mouthing off about solar panels and wind farms. It’s not perfect but it’s definitely stopped what was a runaway train of pollution.

3 hours ago, Spider said:

I had 2 meetings with Kathryn Fletcher MP for Ribble a couple of years back. She was on a select committee for science and innovation and was a huge advocate for renewable energy (in particular these small nuclear plants that are cheap to build and operate).

She explained that reserves simply couldn’t be relied on anymore for the UK, and she had access to expert knowledge that sits well beyond any political influence. What she did say was that if we can get the balance right between renewables and fossil fuels, Britain could realistically have a lot of control whilst not having to go fully green, which is impossible anyway given our infrastructure and housing stock.

She was calm, balanced, assured and I think correct. Miliband is extreme but he’ll never get his own way and he knows it. What he does know is that a realistic balance can be achieved so he will continue to push the green agenda and rightly so (caveat, his targets are bollocks and he knows this.).

kathryn Fletcher is a Tory btw. And a bloody good one.

Another important note about Milliband being 'extreme' is that you tend to end up with a watered down version of whatever you've actually suggested. So even under 'net zero' we'll probably settle somewhere around what you e described above. Where as if they'd have set out what's being described above - then they get slightly less than this. If that makes sense? 

2 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Last one on this subject now. Only just seen this from my mate John Soper😉 

‘Quixotic fantasist’😅

https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/2059635743384088901/video/1?s=46

It's refreshing to hear someone being given a chance to articulate their position and not just deal in soundbites. 

I've got a lot of time for Tony Blair and I think his words need careful consideration.

7 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

I’m not an expert. What I post is common knowledge. I’m also not here to answer questions. 👍

You can ask him a very simple one on my behalf. Why do the Norwegians bother then if it isn't viable?

Point out to him that there can be more that two answers. Don't want the lad having yet another meltdown.

6 hours ago, BobyBrno said:

Last one on this subject now. Only just seen this from my mate John Soper😉 

‘Quixotic fantasist’😅

https://x.com/TheNewsAgents/status/2059635743384088901/video/1?s=46

Blair talking sense. It can happen.

3 hours ago, kent_white said:

It's refreshing to hear someone being given a chance to articulate their position and not just deal in soundbites. 

I've got a lot of time for Tony Blair and I think his words need careful consideration.

Certainly do in this case.

5 hours ago, kent_white said:

It's refreshing to hear someone being given a chance to articulate their position and not just deal in soundbites. 

I've got a lot of time for Tony Blair and I think some of his words need careful consideration.

Agree...David Kelly's family might not agree though.

Youth unemployment. "Entry level jobs seem to have dwindled - particularly in the hospitality industry".

She was told what her stupid measures would result in.

I can't think of a minister more out of his/her depth since that imbecile Matt Hancock.

Still, no threat to the top man so leave her in place eh?

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

You can ask him a very simple one on my behalf. Why do the Norwegians bother then if it isn't viable?

Point out to him that there can be more that two answers. Don't want the lad having yet another meltdown.

Norwegian oil is easier and significantly cheaper to extract then ours

11 hours ago, Spider said:

 

You might know how much gas there is and how much and how quickly our bills will drop?

I dipped into my latest issue of PE this evening and Old Sparky leads with:

"If fossil fuels are on their way out, why has Centrica, aka British Gas, just spent £370m to buy the big gas-fired Severn power station in Newport, south Wales?

Easy. It knows more about gas than anyone... plants like Severn will thrive under Energy Secretary Ed Mlliband's "zero carbon" plans by, well, keeping the lights on."

You can read the full column by buying a copy at your co- op shop.

 

 

9 hours ago, Dimron said:

I dipped into my latest issue of PE this evening and Old Sparky leads with:

"If fossil fuels are on their way out, why has Centrica, aka British Gas, just spent £370m to buy the big gas-fired Severn power station in Newport, south Wales?

Easy. It knows more about gas than anyone... plants like Severn will thrive under Energy Secretary Ed Mlliband's "zero carbon" plans by, well, keeping the lights on."

You can read the full column by buying a copy at your co- op shop.

 

 

The local gas fired power stations are also being viewed as potential locations for the small scale nuclear power plants for easy connection to the grid 

16 hours ago, bolty58 said:

You can ask him a very simple one on my behalf. Why do the Norwegians bother then if it isn't viable?

Point out to him that there can be more that two answers. Don't want the lad having yet another meltdown.

Thick as absolute fuck. Also, “tell him from me…” is something I’ve not had happen to me since primary school when me and Andrew Parker fell out over some Lego.

Big silly old demented Australian weirdo.

12 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Norwegian oil is easier and significantly cheaper to extract then ours

Bolty won’t understand that. He’s barely 5 posts away from using the word recalcitrant at this point then we know he’s struggling.

12 hours ago, mickbrown said:

Norwegian oil is easier and significantly cheaper to extract then ours

The liker appreciates your flotation device 

17 hours ago, bolty58 said:

You can ask him a very simple one on my behalf. Why do the Norwegians bother then if it isn't viable?

Point out to him that there can be more that two answers. Don't want the lad having yet another meltdown.

There are certainly lots of reasons why they do and lots of reasons why we should. A long read hear (chapter two) and a cartoon😉

https://gbbc.uk/uk-deindustrialisation-energy-policy/#chapter-2-the-uks-bountiful-natural-resources

 

70% of norwegian houses get their heating and hot water from air source heat pumps.

Yet they have all that oil and gas for peanuts.

Strange country.