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[Spider]

70% of norwegian houses get their heating and hot water from air source heat pumps.

Yet they have all that oil and gas for peanuts.

Strange country.

[green genie]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

70% of norwegian houses get their heating and hot water from air source heat pumps.

Yet they have all that oil and gas for peanuts.

Strange country.

They have a lot of district systems.

@Whitestar I think was the local expert 

[Spider]

13 minutes ago, green genie said:

They have a lot of district systems.

@Whitestar I think was the local expert 

Just a load of hippies and green nutcases obviously. They’ve got all that gas and oil they could be using.

[BobyBrno]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Just a load of hippies and green nutcases obviously. They’ve got all that gas and oil they could be using.

Australia is one of the largest producers of coal but it exports around 3/4 of it to other countries. Mainly China, India and Japan. 
The clue to Norway’s success is in the cartoon. 😉

[Spider]

17 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Australia is one of the largest producers of coal but it exports around 3/4 of it to other countries. Mainly China, India and Japan. 
The clue to Norway’s success is in the cartoon. 😉

A cartoon attempting to prove an argument is peak W’Ways 😁

All of this would make for a better debate if the starting point for all comments was “it’s labours fault”

Because this goes back further than 2024.

Edited yesterday at 08:10 by Spider

[BobyBrno]

4 minutes ago, Spider said:

A cartoon attempting to prove an argument is peak W’Ways 😁

All of this would make for a better debate if the starting point for all comments was “it’s labours fault”

Because this goes back further than 2024.

I did put a wink and as the discussion deteriorated with the mention of ‘dregs’ I thought it was appropriate

I did put a link to a long read though for those who want a serious discussion.👍

ps it does go further back than Labour, I’ve argued about it since 2011. Milliband wants to go further and faster than his predecessors and he is currently running the show.

[Dimron]

33 minutes ago, Spider said:

A cartoon attempting to prove an argument is peak W’Ways 😁

All of this would make for a better debate if the starting point for all comments was “it’s labours fault”

Because this goes back further than 2024.

 

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, BobyBrno said:

I did put a wink and as the discussion deteriorated with the mention of ‘dregs’ I thought it was appropriate

I did put a link to a long read though for those who want a serious discussion.👍

ps it does go further back than Labour, I’ve argued about it since 2011. Milliband wants to go further and faster than his predecessors and he is currently running the show.

The title "Premeditated Industrial Destruction?" says it all

I always go to the conclusions and then reverse read...

Points lifted from the conclusion page:

• Oil and gas underpin a vast industrial ecosystem that remains essential to the UK’s economic base.
• Across upstream operations, refining, petrochemicals, plastics, pharmaceuticals, cement, ceramics, glass, steel, and aluminium, these industries collectively support hundreds of thousands of high-skilled, high-productivity jobs.
• A competitive domestic energy supply is therefore not optional — it is foundational to the survival of the UK’s industrial core.
•  A more proportionate, investment-friendly framework would help retain strategic industries, safeguard employment, and support long-term decarbonisation through innovation rather than deindustrialisation.
•  Every additional barrel produced domestically reduces the trade deficit, improves the balance of payments, and keeps more economic value circulating within the UK.
• the UK can secure jobs, enhance tax revenues, reduce its trade deficit, and maintain the industrial capabilities essential for economic strength.

[bolty58]

8 hours ago, Dimron said:

The title "Premeditated Industrial Destruction?" says it all

I always go to the conclusions and then reverse read...

Points lifted from the conclusion page:

• Oil and gas underpin a vast industrial ecosystem that remains essential to the UK’s economic base.
• Across upstream operations, refining, petrochemicals, plastics, pharmaceuticals, cement, ceramics, glass, steel, and aluminium, these industries collectively support hundreds of thousands of high-skilled, high-productivity jobs.
• A competitive domestic energy supply is therefore not optional — it is foundational to the survival of the UK’s industrial core.
•  A more proportionate, investment-friendly framework would help retain strategic industries, safeguard employment, and support long-term decarbonisation through innovation rather than deindustrialisation.
•  Every additional barrel produced domestically reduces the trade deficit, improves the balance of payments, and keeps more economic value circulating within the UK.
• the UK can secure jobs, enhance tax revenues, reduce its trade deficit, and maintain the industrial capabilities essential for economic strength.

Top work sir.

In some cases, you are likely casting pearls before swine but so was I with that inspirational Vince Lombardi speech.

C'est la guerre.

[Dimron]

47 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Top work sir.

In some cases, you are likely casting pearls before swine but so was I with that inspirational Vince Lombardi speech.

C'est la guerre.

Not my work but I do intend to fully read this paper soon

[bolty58]

9 hours ago, Dimron said:

Not my work but I do intend to fully read this paper soon

I was commenting on your selection of conclusions.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

We obviously should continue with our own oil/gas from the North Sea, however the last comment I heard about this, was that we can only procure around 3% of the fossil fuels we use.

Using alternatives are essential, and the continued development and installation are the way forward.

Just do it in a common sense way.

[Spider]

59 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

We obviously should continue with our own oil/gas from the North Sea, however the last comment I heard about this, was that we can only procure around 3% of the fossil fuels we use.

Using alternatives are essential, and the continued development and installation are the way forward.

Just do it in a common sense way.

Boby posted a cartoon yesterday suggesting the exact opposite 

[BobyBrno]

44 minutes ago, Spider said:

Boby posted a cartoon yesterday suggesting the exact opposite 

No it doesn’t. It shows we are still using oil and gas (not good for the environment) we are just buying it from elsewhere. 
On a related subject, Rachel is telling ministers to buy British even if it means the tax payer has to pay more. I’m sure that will involve our oil and gas soon. 👍

[BobyBrno]

Very last one on this subject. It’s going to happen. 

 

[Dimron]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Boby posted a cartoon yesterday suggesting the exact opposite 

I think you should find the time to sit down and read the report rather than concentrating on a single illustration from a chapter heading... then perhaps you can make a sensible contribution, maybe with a similarly academically structured contra-arguement?

[Dimron]

28 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Very last one on this subject. It’s going to happen. 

 

1. Gas security remains a real and immediate threat to the UK economy. The current conflict in the Persian Gulf, a recent cyclone in Northwestern Australia, and this summer’s scheduled maintenance of Norway’s pipelines and processing facilities will restrict global supply and push gas prices higher: increasing the UK’s trade deficit.

[Dimron]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

We obviously should continue with our own oil/gas from the North Sea, however the last comment I heard about this, was that we can only procure around 3% of the fossil fuels we use.

Using alternatives are essential, and the continued development and installation are the way forward.

Just do it in a common sense way.

1. The UK government should copy Norway: encourage exploration and invest in offshore and onshore fields such as Lincolnshire’s Gainsborough Trough. The Norwegian government owns 67% of Equinor, the oil and gas major, and encourages exploration in the North Sea, enabling companies to continue finding new fields.