What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

2 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

You can control them - we can all vote, we can all make our voice heard when we know something isn't in the national interest.

Its not moaning - its standing up for a position you believe is correct, otherwise throughout the whole course of human history nothing would have ever changed.

I'd say 'just cracking on' is apathy at the moment, and that's the last thing this country needs.

Then surely a second referendum should be called for? 

26 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

A great point that backs my ... how do you know what would have happened if brexit didn't happen? It could have been worse for those that are doing great now and marginal better for those that still go month to month.

Did everyone expect things to be wonderful because the government told them it would? All winners?

No, but that's what the Leave campaigns promised 🤷‍♂️ It was only after the result they started saying there would be "short-term pain", and certain prominent Leavers said we might only see the benefits in 50 years.

57 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

I'm not saying he isn't. Fair play to him.

But he's an exception to others on here.

You made the hint that he was just moaning. Which he wasn’t.

He has run rings round ya today, not that he intended to.

 All you’ve seem to got to debate back with is that you’re better off now & ‘well what are you all doing about it’.

27 minutes ago, royal white said:

Then surely a second referendum should be called for? 

I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see one within the next decade.

Think a lot of folk expected a domino effect across Europe after Brexit. Opposite turned out to be true. Even right wing governments  on the continent aren’t trying to promote leaving. It’s a vote loser. 

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see one within the next decade.

Think a lot of folk expected a domino effect across Europe after Brexit. Opposite turned out to be true. Even right wing governments  on the continent aren’t trying to promote leaving. It’s a vote loser. 

Next decade? So it’s not that important then

1 hour ago, wanderer1984 said:

Read back and you'll find your answer 👍🏻

Did you not vote in the EU Referendum then?

3 hours ago, wanderer1984 said:

Ok ... So what do you do to get your voice heard?

Instead of just cracking on ... what do you do to make a difference?

Personally? If you really want to know but this is all out there for anyone to find out, whatever your political views - as a side issue and a personal bete noire, this is why political education should be complusary from years 7- 9, far too many people walking around this country without a clue about the political structures, how parliment works, how MP work for us and how to enagage with them. Suits those at the top - those walking out of public schools aren't nearly as ignorant about these things, hell even my daughters at their grammar had weekly 'public issue discourse' debating current issues of the day. Anyway...

I rejoined my local labour CLP (after being annoyed with Corbyn and giving up my membership) This weekend I'm doing some flyering for our local council ward where we have a chance of getting more seats, done a few leafleting runs but I don't do very much door to door as I don't have the time but 2 hours a month I do call rounds asking for more support time to other Labour members if they can spare it. I donate £30 a month to the Labour Party (as does my other half) and just donated £50 to Kahn's campaign for the last push pre election. Its not huge, I don't have time for huge activisim and local party politics (ie different wings at local level) bore me to death, but I do what I can to enage with the system to advocate for the party whose policies I believe will give us a better and fairier Britain.

2 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

That really isn't the case

Aye, some probably couldn’t be arsed. 

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Personally? If you really want to know but this is all out there for anyone to find out, whatever your political views - as a side issue and a personal bete noire, this is why political education should be complusary from years 7- 9, far too many People  walking around this country without a clue about the political structures, how parliment works, how MP work for us and how to enagage with them. Suits those at the top - those walking out of public schools aren't nearly as ignorant about these things, hell even my daughters at their grammar had weekly 'public issue discourse' debating current issues of the day. Anyway...

I rejoined my local labour CLP (after being annoyed with Corbyn and giving up my membership) This weekend I'm doing some flyering for our local council ward where we have a chance of getting more seats, done a few leafleting runs but I don't do very much door to door as I don't have the time but 2 hours a month I do call rounds asking for more support time to other Labour members if they can spare it. I donate £30 a month to the Labour Party (as does my other half) and just donated £50 to Kahn's campaign for the last push pre election. Its not huge, I don't have time for huge activisim and local party politics (ie different wings at local level) bore me to death, but I do what I can to enage with the system to advocate for the party whose policies I believe will give us a better and fairier Britain.

“far too many People  walking around this country without a clue about the political structures, how parliment works, how MP work for us and how to enagage with them”

You spelt politicians wrong 

What an odd thread.😊

Anyway, these import charges that are going to push up food prices. No mention by how much in either of the reports. One economist this morning said ‘some’ foods ‘could’ go up by 0.2% over a three year period. Hardly a significant amount. Potatoes went up by 22.2% just because of the rain.

Probably that unusual weather phenomenon, El Brexito.

I voted remain. 

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Then surely a second referendum should be called for? 

Not necessarily, we had one, whatever the failings of it (and my feelings on referendums in general on such issues) its been done, re-running would just cause more division and just because its been a failure, I don't blame those who were lied to who voted for it. The shame of this whole period lies directly at the feet of our leaders, from the hubris of Cameron to the power play of Johnson. But no, I don't believe a second referendum is the only black and white answer to the problem we're facing.

However, we do need a better position with Europe, and I do believe rejoining the customs union would immediately put us on a more secure footing - certainly globally. On this I agree with Kahn, that the option should be on the table and should be something Labour look at but the leadership don't want to go there at the moment with Brexit dropping behind people's top issues when voting for a new government. So that's understandable. I also believe a Labour government not ripped apart by different European ideologies would be in a better place to help rebuild the releationship we need to, so when I say getting your voice heard - it's not, and never will be, a single issue topic.

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

You made the hint that he was just moaning. Which he wasn’t

What are you on about?

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

What an odd thread.😊

Anyway, these import charges that are going to push up food prices. No mention by how much in either of the reports. One economist this morning said ‘some’ foods ‘could’ go up by 0.2% over a three year period. Hardly a significant amount. Potatoes went up by 22.2% just because of the rain.

Probably that unusual weather phenomenon, El Brexito.

I voted remain. 

It'll only be if you start wanging on about having your posts deleated by the illuminati again.

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

It'll only be if you start wanging on about having your posts deleated by the illuminati again.

No one has deleted any of my posts. Wrong again.👍

2 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

What are you on about?

You keep insinuating that people who bemoan the current state of British politics don't do anything else to better their lives. Is that not what you meant?

3 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

It'll only be if you start wanging on about having your posts deleated by the illuminati again.

 

1 minute ago, BobyBrno said:

No one has deleted any of my posts. Wrong again.👍

They were edited, not deleted.

18 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Personally? If you really want to know but this is all out there for anyone to find out, whatever your political views - as a side issue and a personal bete noire, this is why political education should be complusary from years 7- 9, far too many people walking around this country without a clue about the political structures, how parliment works, how MP work for us and how to enagage with them. Suits those at the top - those walking out of public schools aren't nearly as ignorant about these things, hell even my daughters at their grammar had weekly 'public issue discourse' debating current issues of the day. Anyway...

I rejoined my local labour CLP (after being annoyed with Corbyn and giving up my membership) This weekend I'm doing some flyering for our local council ward where we have a chance of getting more seats, done a few leafleting runs but I don't do very much door to door as I don't have the time but 2 hours a month I do call rounds asking for more support time to other Labour members if they can spare it. I donate £30 a month to the Labour Party (as does my other half) and just donated £50 to Kahn's campaign for the last push pre election. Its not huge, I don't have time for huge activisim and local party politics (ie different wings at local level) bore me to death, but I do what I can to enage with the system to advocate for the party whose policies I believe will give us a better and fairier Britain.

Fair play to you. Actively seeking change.

If you belive it will help change for a better future then crack on.

But I believe we need others on the small scale of the spectrum that do things to make quick impacts on those that struggle. That's where I try and help.

Edited April 4, 20242 yr by wanderer1984

Just now, BobyBrno said:

No one has deleted any of my posts. Wrong again.👍

I know, blimey, I was only teasing you BB - no need to wake up all grumpy after your afternoon nap.

 

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

You keep insinuating that people who bemoan the current state of British politics don't do anything else to better their lives. Is that not what you meant?

Can't recall having a pop at NIC. He certainly had one at me.

3 minutes ago, Traf said:

 

They were edited, not deleted.

Correct. 👍 

Just now, wanderer1984 said:

Fair play to you. Actively seeking change.

If you belive it will help change for a better future then crack on.

But you iimo we need others on the small scale of the spectrum that do things to make quick impacts on those that struggle. That's where I try and help.

I'm sorry, I just don't know what that actually means.

I'm leafleting for a local council ward on sunday morning for an hour for an election in a month that effects people in my local area. 

I'm pretty sure that's a dictionary definition of small sacle, immediate support for people who need it.

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'm sorry, I just don't know what that actually means.

I'm leafleting for a local council ward on sunday morning for an hour for an election in a month that effects people in my local area. 

I'm pretty sure that's a dictionary definition of small sacle, immediate support for people who need it.

Are you not the education guy anymore? 

Just now, BobyBrno said:

Are you not the education guy anymore? 

Sadly no, quickly fall from power since Liz Truss 🙂 the boundaries have changed and our ward was moved to a different one so the CLP changed, when that happened they needed to elect new people to positions and I missed too many CLP meetings due to work to do a good enough job and there was a really keen student who had more time and goes to every meeting so I didnt stand again.

 

8 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I'm sorry, I just don't know what that actually means.

I'm leafleting for a local council ward on sunday morning for an hour for an election in a month that effects people in my local area. 

I'm pretty sure that's a dictionary definition of small sacle, immediate support for people who need it.

Jnr does this sort of thing down in Exeter, where they're at Uni.

11 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

Can't recall having a pop at NIC. He certainly had one at me.

I didn't mention NiC? Just trying to ascertian your point.