Are in Manchester today

Might pop down at lunchtime 

Wonder if they’ll take their plastic bottles home with them?

6 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

You're right, there are many others to thank. But the changes in legality over the size of earth tremors came about through the tireless work of local communities and activists. Without them it would have never been taken to the courts in the first place.

 

For me, I'd prefer us to forget about it and focus on other means.

However, we're not doing yet, and AL made it clear that it still remains important and that science will lead the way.

The tremors bit isn't the main issue for me. Emissions are; to us on that surely?

On 01/11/2019 at 16:06, Youri McAnespie said:

Have you had your crystal ball out again, Mystic Bruce? Don't you realise the practice of necromancy will see thee in hell?

How the fuck do you deduce:

A. I'm not a grafter.

& B. The state of my finances?

I'd guess it's because you're a C.

A fucking arrogant C.

 

 Fucking boom! One of my best ever! You silly cunt.

No surprise the big C 'liked'. Battle lines now drawn with the tree hugging yoghourt knitter.

Edited November 4, 20196 yr by bolty58

On 02/11/2019 at 18:34, Tonge moor green jacket said:

For me, I'd prefer us to forget about it and focus on other means.

However, we're not doing yet, and AL made it clear that it still remains important and that science will lead the way.

The tremors bit isn't the main issue for me. Emissions are; to us on that surely?

That's where I'm at. The tremors part is bollocks and scaremongering. A bit like people claiming fire was going to start coming out of their taps. We don't live on the San Andreas Fault. The argument should have always been around emissions.

Heard yesterday that Honda are stopping the production of petrol/diesel only vehicles within 3 years (iirc).

Perhaps the start, and this might push the increase in re charging infrastructure.

Edited November 4, 20196 yr by Tonge moor green jacket

On 02/11/2019 at 18:34, Tonge moor green jacket said:

For me, I'd prefer us to forget about it and focus on other means.

However, we're not doing yet, and AL made it clear that it still remains important and that science will lead the way.

The tremors bit isn't the main issue for me. Emissions are; to us on that surely?

Aye definitely important. But for some reason the tremors became the most effective way of halting Cuadrilla in Blackpool. Still, the tremors aren't irrelevant. In America & Australia, whole rivers & lakes have been polluted by gas caused by minor tremors that have been enough to leak into the water source. Many folk are still living off bottled water. Protecting & restoring biodiversity is just as crucial as reducing emissions if we are to stand a chance.

Huge coal mine in Cumbria has just been approved by the govn & local council. That will be the next battle.

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

That's where I'm at. The tremors part is bollocks and scaremongering. A bit like people claiming fire was going to start coming out of their taps. We don't live on the San Andreas Fault. The argument should have always been around emissions.

Fire was coming out of people's taps in parts of America that don't lie on Quake Faults. It's the drilling that causes the quake and it only takes a small tremor to risk polluting the whole water source. It's a risky as fuck practice whilst also being awful for emissions. 

Good riddance I hope.

Just need to make sure we also ban British industry & govn from investing in Fracking abroad & importing it.

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Fire was coming out of people's taps in parts of America that don't lie on Quake Faults. It's the drilling that causes the quake and it only takes a small tremor to risk polluting the whole water source. It's a risky as fuck practice whilst also being awful for emissions. 

Good riddance I hope.

Just need to make sure we also ban British industry & govn from investing in Fracking abroad & importing it.

Yeah - but in nowhere near the frequency with which it was being reported. And the way we were regulating it over here was a million miles from the gold rush approach they adopted in the US. I'm happy it's being potted to - but not because I was worried about exploding bathrooms or the earth being swallowed up

I've always questioned it because of the use of 'chemicals'. We've covered this previously, and also the amount of energy used in creation and transport of the chemicals, sand and water.

 

10 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Heard yesterday that Honda are stopping the production of petrol/diesel only vehicles within 3 years (iirc).

Perhaps the start, and this might push the increase in re charging infrastructure.

They are still making traditional technology but not for eu sales

10 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Heard yesterday that Honda are stopping the production of petrol/diesel only vehicles within 3 years (iirc).

Perhaps the start, and this might push the increase in re charging infrastructure.

There are very advanced talks re charging infrastructure for electric vehicles ongoing with a very large “partner” and all likely to revealed in the coming months of negotiations are successful. 
 

it shall transform the electric vehicle proposition in the UK. Watch this space

The uncooperative crusties are coming for him ! 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/extinction-rebellion-and-the-stop-hs2-campaign-team-up-in-attempt-to-make-boris-lose-his-seat-q0jtdmml0

 

14 minutes ago, Casino said:

They are still making traditional technology but not for eu sales

Got to start somewhere.

Aye, but like boby bangs on, we ain't changing the world on our own

Will still be flogging em to india

1 minute ago, Casino said:

Aye, but like boby bangs on, we ain't changing the world on our own

Will still be flogging em to india

Did you see the lords earlier?

Discussing biodiversity etc. Seems to be a theme of not allowing foreign aid where it might be used for oil based infrastructure. Didn't catch much of it, but it gave the impression that they want developing countries to miss out the carbon based phase and jump to new technologies.

Given Delhi's current smog issues it would make sense.

Would imagine that India doesn't have adequate consistent power grid to even contemplate electric vehicles in any great number, so can understand Honda.

Perhaps give it time.

'Untold human suffering'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50302392

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

'Untold human suffering'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50302392

Not great.

It was even in the Daily Mail.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-7651915/Worldwide-consortium-11-000-scientists-declare-climate-EMERGENCY-predict-untold-suffering.html
They did seem heavily focused on population control in the headline though. Stabalising it is vital but that was one of 6 solutions laid out by the scientific report. 

1) Replace fossil fuels with low-carbon renewables

2) Swiftly cut emissions of methane, soot, hydrofluorocarbons and other short-lived climate pollutants

 3) Restore and protect ecosystems to allow them to naturally convert CO2 emissions

4) Shift world's diet to plant based and reduce food waste  

5) Shift economic goals towards maintaining biosphere - not gaining wealth

6) Stabilise global human population  

Good to see number 5 in there as well. Nobody should be allowed to profit at the expense of the environment. Those 6 will take monumental effort. Can anyone really see us doing it? 

The best rated comment on this in the daily mail was one claiming that scientists were foolish to think reducing fossil fuel use would reduce C02. Climate change denial still the most popular narrative amongst readers then. Closely followed by the belief that this is a political plot by the scientific community to spread socialism. Dear me.🙈

We're in the midst of an election and I haven't heard a single politican mention this today. 

We're fucked. 

I don't know how much more stark the warning needs to be. We need to mobilise like we're on a war footing for this.

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

'Untold human suffering'

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-50302392

People have had enough of experts. 

1 hour ago, kent_white said:

I don't know how much more stark the warning needs to be. We need to mobilise like we're on a war footing for this.

How can this be done?

I just can’t see it

Some disaster might be needed to jolt, but that might be too late.

34 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

How can this be done?

I just can’t see it

Some disaster might be needed to jolt, but that might be too late.

It’s up to leaders to do. It’s up to them to immediately implement the programs required to address the 6 solutions raised by scientists. Now. Not in a month. Not in a week but now. Enough time has been wasted. 

Its also up to us to vote for parties who are going to do the most to avert this crisis. Every resource needs diverting to this. We must demand this. And act accordingly. 

That starts at the top and bottom. Individual responsibility and leadership. 

38 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

It’s up to leaders to do. It’s up to them to immediately implement the programs required to address the 6 solutions raised by scientists. Now. Not in a month. Not in a week but now. Enough time has been wasted. 

Its also up to us to vote for parties who are going to do the most to avert this crisis. Every resource needs diverting to this. We must demand this. And act accordingly. 

That starts at the top and bottom. Individual responsibility and leadership. 

👏👏👏

1 hour ago, boltondiver said:

How can this be done?

I just can’t see it

Some disaster might be needed to jolt, but that might be too late.

It won't be any one disaster - it'll be a fairly slow and inexorable change which will start to gather pace - by which point it'll be too late. 

I feel helpless in it all.

12 hours ago, kent_white said:

I don't know how much more stark the warning needs to be. We need to mobilise like we're on a war footing for this.

Well you should fucking well know. It is the 'stark warnings' for every fucking thing imaginable from the outraged society/the left on Brexit, climate change - you name it which have turned folk off. 

Everything is sensationalised these days. Sky News has been bellowing 'Brexit Crisis' for over a year now. I, and many others, are completely over 'stark warnings'.

Before you descend into a frothy rage again, just remember we all broadly want the same thing (i.e. we'd prefer to be able to breathe and shag like rabbits for a long time yet). Hysteria and over hype will not work. The boy who cried wolf.

57 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Well you should fucking well know. It is the 'stark warnings' for every fucking thing imaginable from the outraged society/the left on Brexit, climate change - you name it which have turned folk off. 

Everything is sensationalised these days. Sky News has been bellowing 'Brexit Crisis' for over a year now. I, and many others, are completely over 'stark warnings'.

Before you descend into a frothy rage again, just remember we all broadly want the same thing (i.e. we'd prefer to be able to breathe and shag like rabbits for a long time yet). Hysteria and over hype will not work. The boy who cried wolf.

Oh look. It's the left's fault again. You're still pissed because I criticised the Conservatives yesterday.

This is 11,000 people who are qualified to have an opinion, giving you their opinion based on the best available data. Not me, not momentum, not Jeremy Corbyn.

Jesus it's exasperating sometimes. It's no wonder XR do what they do!