Keith Hill

[ErnestTurnip]

If Wigan come down Lowe would be a no brainer for them on a free transfer.

[Mounts Kipper]

10 minutes ago, ErnestTurnip said:

If Wigan come down Lowe would be a no brainer for them on a free transfer.

Well I for one wouldn’t be crying if he left for Wigan, however don’t leythers hate Wigan. 

[Guest]

16 minutes ago, Okocha10 said:

If the case (mentioned this before) shouldn't play a game for our club again. We need get young players signed up before there's any interest from other clubs, Darcy will have his head turned more than likely. Annoy's me because he's going to play in some side's u23 squad instead of wanting to carry on developing in our first team.

If you're a good young player why would you be in any rush at all to sign for a club going down to league 2 with 6 senior players only on the books for next season?

We're not in a position to demand anything of players. Or even to reasonably expect anything of them.

[Okocha10]

8 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

If you're a good young player why would you be in any rush at all to sign for a club going down to league 2 with 6 senior players only on the books for next season?

We're not in a position to demand anything of players. Or even to reasonably expect anything of them.

We should of signed him up on a good contract last season before being knowing we are going down to league 2 before he got any exposure, not the new owners fault I know but this what tends to happen with our club. How many u23 players have we actually had who have been signed up over 2-3 years over the last 5 years?

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Okocha10 said:

We should of signed him up on a good contract last season before being knowing we are going down to league 2 before he got any exposure, not the new owners fault I know but this what tends to happen with our club. How many u23 players have we actually had who have been signed up over 2-3 years over the last 5 years?

And who was signing a contract here last season in that mess?

We need to face up to it that good young players can do way way better than us. We need to rebuild - its going to take a long time. You can't short circuit it. Darcy will almost certainly be gone and probably anyone else who does well. But if we do the right things from now on we can start what will be a long old rebuilding process over the next decade or so. 

[MickyD]

7 hours ago, Traf said:

Mark Davies must be fit soon 😉

He was told to hop down from the treatment table and twisted his ankle when he landed.

[FrancisFogarty]

10 hours ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

That many players on contracts I expect will be limited to no better than the league average.

We're going to have to get creative. 

We're going to have to get more out of the players we've got, and Hillcroft aren't the men to do it I'm afraid.

At our level any improvement is great, it's the inconsistency that kills. 

[Okocha10]

1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

And who was signing a contract here last season in that mess?

We need to face up to it that good young players can do way way better than us. We need to rebuild - its going to take a long time. You can't short circuit it. Darcy will almost certainly be gone and probably anyone else who does well. But if we do the right things from now on we can start what will be a long old rebuilding process over the next decade or so. 

Same process keeps happening time & time again though, young player on a scholar get's the chance of first team football does well, gains interest from other teams & goes for next to nothing. Get them signed up to longer term contracts before exposing them to the first team that's my point. Maybe FV are learning from it

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Okocha10 said:

Same process keeps happening time & time again though, young player on a scholar get's the chance of first team football does well, gains interest from other teams & goes for next to nothing. Get them signed up to longer term contracts before exposing them to the first team that's my point. Maybe FV are learning from it

We can't afford to sign young players who may or may not make it. That's the reality. We're a lower league club now and need to accept it.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

25 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

We can't afford to sign young players who may or may not make it. That's the reality. We're a lower league club now and need to accept it.

That's got nothing to do with is being a lower league club. Once the registration embargo is out of the way we can begin to accomodate them.

[bolton va va]

Some short memories after all the damage that long term contracts have caused us in recent years. It played a big part in our financial meltdown & in the promotion season , a large chunk of our wage bill was wasted on players who contributed nothing but were on long contracts. I'm not even sure that we're allowed to give out longer term contracts.

Darcy......if he stays with us , he's got the opportunity to play 1st team football, can develop as a footballer & if he progresses, he will still get a move to a bigger club  & the bigger money that comes with it. If he's more interested in money than playing football, like that twat who went to celtic, he can fuck off.

[Guest]

32 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

That's got nothing to do with is being a lower league club. Once the registration embargo is out of the way we can begin to accomodate them.

Even out of embargo we aren't rolling in money. 

[Okocha10]

1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

We can't afford to sign young players who may or may not make it. That's the reality. We're a lower league club now and need to accept it.

Well we've done it with Politic & Faal so far? They are in that category of they might make it or not. Just concerned at the minute what benefit have we made from our academy, as bad it sounds it's been absolute waste so far the amount of money what has been spent on it & what we have made from it.

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Okocha10 said:

Well we've done it with Politic & Faal so far? They are in that category of they might make it or not. Just concerned at the minute what benefit have we made from our academy, as bad it sounds it's been absolute waste so far the amount of money what has been spent on it & what we have made from it.

But what you're asking for is professional contracts being handed out before those 16/17 year olds have played any first team football. Quite a different financial proposition to signing a promising early 20's non league prospect or Politic after he's played in a number of games. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 hour ago, bwfcfan5 said:

Even out of embargo we aren't rolling in money. 

We don't need to be to sign Academy graduates to their first contracts.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

We don't need to be to sign Academy graduates to their first contracts.

We're going into league 2. Lets just be real about what this entails and the financial restrictions all league 2 clubs are under, both through their own bank balance and the league rules. Handing out pro contracts even for a few hundred quid a week is a significant chunk - the way people talk its as though they still think we're rolling in millions. Every penny counts now. And youngsters don't sign pro contracts for buttons if they are decent (the ones you want to sign) as they know there'll be opportunities elsewhere. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

8 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

We're going into league 2. Lets just be real about what this entails and the financial restrictions all league 2 clubs are under, both through their own bank balance and the league rules. Handing out pro contracts even for a few hundred quid a week is a significant chunk - the way people talk its as though they still think we're rolling in millions. Every penny counts now. And youngsters don't sign pro contracts for buttons if they are decent (the ones you want to sign) as they know there'll be opportunities elsewhere. 

Lower league clubs routinely sign Acsdemy graduates to contracts.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Lower league clubs routinely sign Acsdemy graduates to contracts.

Yes once they've shown their ability. Not just taking all their 16/17 year olds and signing them up just in case they are good. Which is what you'd have to have done to sign Darcy - who wasn't even U23s last season. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 hour ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Lower league clubs routinely sign Acsdemy graduates to contracts.

You're wasting your time. He was the same last year, we've got no money, can't do this or that, blah blah blah.

League two clubs with significantly fewer supporters manage, but we can't. We're shit and need to accept that, have no ambition etc.

Might as well pack it all in.

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

You're wasting your time. He was the same last year, we've got no money, can't do this or that, blah blah blah.

League two clubs with significantly fewer supporters manage, but we can't. We're shit and need to accept that, have no ambition etc.

Might as well pack it all in.

I was responding to someone berating the club for not signing Darcy on a pro contract last season - as a 16 year old. It was a bizarre point to make. Yes we don't want to lose our best kids - but we weren't and aren't in a position to hand out contracts to kids before we know if they can cut it. That's just the reality. Lower league sides lose their better youngsters sometimes for this reason - it happens - its a bit shit but expecting the club to just dish out a pro contract to stop youngsters leaving is silly IMHO - and I suspect you probably agree really - cos you're sensible. 

[Mounts Kipper]

17 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I was responding to someone berating the club for not signing Darcy on a pro contract last season - as a 16 year old. It was a bizarre point to make. Yes we don't want to lose our best kids - but we weren't and aren't in a position to hand out contracts to kids before we know if they can cut it. That's just the reality. Lower league sides lose their better youngsters sometimes for this reason - it happens - its a bit shit but expecting the club to just dish out a pro contract to stop youngsters leaving is silly IMHO - and I suspect you probably agree really - cos you're sensible. 

Surely someone at the club can see even at 16 that the lads a talent, should of signed him long term before we played him in in the first team. Think it’s likely we won’t see him in the white shirt again, never mind we move on. 

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

33 minutes ago, bwfcfan5 said:

I was responding to someone berating the club for not signing Darcy on a pro contract last season - as a 16 year old. It was a bizarre point to make. Yes we don't want to lose our best kids - but we weren't and aren't in a position to hand out contracts to kids before we know if they can cut it. That's just the reality. Lower league sides lose their better youngsters sometimes for this reason - it happens - its a bit shit but expecting the club to just dish out a pro contract to stop youngsters leaving is silly IMHO - and I suspect you probably agree really - cos you're sensible. 

Darcy turned eighteen in November 2018.

It certainly gets more difficult the lower down the leagues we go, particularly with SCMP. But I don't think it's beyond us to start looking at offering professional contracts to the brightest and best once they turn eighteen, even if it's just to protect a potential asset. We did that with Politic, albeit when we were in the Championship.

Personally, if I were in charge I'd pay serious thought to closing the Academy.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I don't think it could be helped with Darcy though. If he leaves us it's just one of thoae things.

[Casino]

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

You're wasting your time. He was the same last year, we've got no money, can't do this or that, blah blah blah.

League two clubs with significantly fewer supporters manage, but we can't. We're shit and need to accept that, have no ambition etc.

Might as well pack it all in.

bold - are you saying he was wrong?

evidence available says he was spot on

 

line 2, they generally dont have a monstrous ground to pay for

 

line 3, maybe we should with the fucking moaning thats going on

[Casino]

40 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

I don't think it could be helped with Darcy though. If he leaves us it's just one of thoae things.

think youre right

some players were fastracked due to the shit storm, have shown promise

some will get picked off

fortunately, KH is playing the long game with some others and making em look shitter than they are to hold them back