How come there isn't a thread for this ?

Is it because they've revealed their true colours, excuse the deliberate pun.

Folk were warned re their true intentions, but as always called racist by the naive.

7 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Fuckin ell youve gone soft lad

Give my perenium a tickle and I'll be reet.

1 minute ago, Not in Crawley said:

Again - look at the percentages on the ONS, its not difficult.

I have done, shared links as well, do you disagree with any of these 4 points?....

 

1) Black African, Chinese & Indian groups do better at school than white 

2) Whites are the least likely to go to university 

3) Chinese and Indian groups earn a higher wage than white people in the UK

4) Chinese and Indian British live longer than white British 

 

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

At the end of the day, if footballers want to express their anti-racist views for 4 seconds before kick-off, you must have some sort of issue if you immediately think they're promoting vandalism and graffiti (or Marxism ffs!) rather than the cause they're obviously advocating. Surely it's Common Sense that they're not kneeling to promote anarchy and violence? Not saying it makes you a full-blown racist if you disgree with it, but you're just not on my wavelength.

You've pretty much just spent 3 days telling everyone they are

1 minute ago, miamiwhite said:

 

Woooooah... hang on you pair of soft pansies.........don't be going because the nasty orange man has called you out

Toughen up and get back in the ring...........I've bought some popcorn you mard twats 😃 xx

 

PS - Actual life experience is better than reading books 😉 

Depends if your worldview ends at your towns boundaries...

Thats Mary Shellys Fankenstien by the way 😉

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

You've pretty much just spent 3 days telling everyone they are

I really haven't, but I'm sad if thats the impression I've given you.

Edited December 9, 20205 yr by Cheese

2 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Depends if your worldview ends at your towns boundaries...

Thats Mary Shellys Fankenstien by the way 😉

Did Shelly write Frankenstein as well 😉 

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

At the end of the day, if footballers want to express their anti-racist views for 4 seconds before kick-off, you must have some sort of issue if you immediately think they're promoting vandalism and graffiti (or Marxism ffs!) rather than the cause they're obviously advocating. Surely it's Common Sense that they're not kneeling to promote anarchy and violence? Not saying it makes you a full-blown racist if you disgree with it, but you're just not on my wavelength.

Maybe they could also do do the nazi salute then, game on game off with that and then kneeling. I don’t for a minute think they’re promoting the murder of Jews, that’s common sense. 

6 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

It is, and by dint education. Look at whimis in poverty. This is also in the ONS. 

 

https://www.google.com/search?q=whimis&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

7 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

 

Woooooah... hang on you pair of soft pansies.........don't be going because the nasty orange man has called you out

Toughen up and get back in the ring...........I've bought some popcorn you mard twats 😃 xx

 

PS - Actual life experience is better than reading books 😉 

Thank fuck for that , i thought we were done 

got another 3 bottles to do before bed

reel them in Miami

Just now, royal white said:

Maybe they could also do do the nazi salute then, game on game off with that and then kneeling. I don’t for a minute think they’re promoting the murder of Jews, that’s common sense. 

What a world you must live in.

6 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Depends if your worldview ends at your towns boundaries...

Thats Mary Shellys Fankenstien by the way 😉

Forgot to say pal, visited well over 50 countries, so have got a bit of life experience 😉 

1 minute ago, crawshawbooth said:

Thank fuck for that , i thought we were done 

got another 3 bottles to do before bed

reel them in Miami

haha, I'm the neutral sub....got my seat like a Wimbledon umpire 🎾 

10 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Woooooah... hang on you pair of soft pansies.........don't be going because the nasty orange man has called you out

Toughen up and get back in the ring...........I've bought some popcorn you mard twats 😃 xx

PS - Actual life experience is better than reading books 😉 

Get fucked you fat old mutant lobster. 👍

2 minutes ago, kent_white said:

https://www.google.com/search?q=whimis&client=ms-android-google&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

I’ve just been trying to work out what he means as well 

Surly not on about workplace hazardous materials? 

Starting to think he’s been at the mulled wine 

Just now, Cheese said:

Get fucked you fat old mutant lobster. 👍

That's the spirit though I'm not fat....you beardy wanker 😄 💋 

7 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

This isn't about Millwall fans, it's about a wider issue. If you think this is polarised, deary me. Disagreement is fine, as is discourse, if I disagree I will say. Sick.of the over simplification of this position, you're as bad as the people you hate nonsense, my 14 year old has more sophisticated positions than that.

Basically, some.people on here are excusing a fucking awful position, jumping through hoops to justify it. I get it, and it does go back to what Kent said, but it doesn't make it right, and doesn't mean it shouldn't be called out for what it is.

If that makes me a condescending cock in your eyes, then so be it. Im very happy to wear that badge given your stand on this.particular issue.

The whole discussion is predominantly about Millwall fans.

Youve been offered reasons as to why they booed, youve been offered the situation that occurred afterwards. You choose to ignore any of this and just say those that booed or anyone else that opposes the taking of the knee is a full blown racist.

You been offered valid reason why people think it shouldnt happen. Again not good enough. 

Regarding the wider issues, again you ignore all valid reasons as to why we probably shouldn't be soley focussing on just this part of racism. Again you ignore this. Time and time again birch provides data and facts to suggest theres more to the debate that just white privilege rules.

 

Your getting offended on somebody elses behalf. 

Open your mind. 

 

2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

I’ve just been trying to work out what he means as well 

Surly not on about workplace hazardous materials? 

Starting to think he’s been at the mulled wine 

More like wine gums

5 minutes ago, gonzo said:

The whole discussion is predominantly about Millwall fans.

Youve been offered reasons as to why they booed, youve been offered the situation that occurred afterwards. You choose to ignore any of this and just say those that booed or anyone else that opposes the taking of the knee is a full blown racist.

You been offered valid reason why people think it shouldnt happen. Again not good enough. 

Regarding the wider issues, again you ignore all valid reasons as to why we probably shouldn't be soley focussing on just this part of racism. Again you ignore this. Time and time again birch provides data and facts to suggest theres more to the debate that just white privilege rules.

Your getting offended on somebody elses behalf. 

Open your mind. 

You're defending all Millwall fans on behalf of a few Millwall fans you know....

Open your mind.

Edited December 9, 20205 yr by Cheese

how hard is this

i knock on your door 

when you open the door 

i am kneeling down

for any male of any race [or alien being] 

this is not a normal state of affairs

therefore the bolshy fans of Millwall football club do not want to comply

Next game all players link arms , no booing , no problem

crack on

Just now, crawshawbooth said:

how hard is this

i knock on your door 

when you open the door 

i am kneeling down

for any male of any race [or alien being] 

this is not a normal state of affairs

therefore the bolshy fans of Millwall football club do not want to comply

Next game all players link arms , no booing , no problem

crack on

Or....

The players kneel...

Crack on

1 minute ago, Cheese said:

Or....

The players kneel...

Crack on

but the dont want them to kneel 

do you spend your whole day shuffling about like Toulouse Lautrec

yah fucking idiot

4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

Or....

The players kneel...

Crack on

The players kneel, the fans boo, crack on 

The main discussion point on Saturday was, are Millwall right to boo or not, many people indicating that it’s a racist act 

The players should be able to support whatever they want but the fans should be allowed to object given it’s a highly divisive political subject

 

 

Clearly support for BLM can mean support for the overtly political organisations of the same name. I would think Lewis Hamilton is one who falls within that bracket, and no doubt there are footballers who are of the same mindset. They are, of course, entitled to hold such political opinions.

However, it seems clear to me that the phrase Black Lives Matter has since transcended beyond that and support for it includes a wide range of different viewpoints and perspectives. To me, the claim that taking the knee is de facto support for the political organisations feels like a forced narrative.

Despite that, I still think it was a mistake for the Premier League to adopt the Black Lives Matter slogan at all because it was inevitable that this kind of situation would arise. For me, the right approach would've been to substantially increase funding for Kick it Out (not Show Racism the Red Card) in order to increase their profile, visibility and influence. It's one thing to argue that the organisations sporting bodies support should be non-political (I agree), but equally that support can't just be an empty gesture.

 

2 minutes ago, birch-chorley said:

The players should be able to support whatever they want but the fans should be allowed to object given it’s a highly divisive political subject

 

 

This

 

Another snippet from BLM U.K. web site 

https://blacklivesmatter.uk/about-us/

Black people have the fundamental right to live, be educated, have equal opportunity to work, access to health care and services, and to be treated as equals within all societal systems, institutions and social settings. despite over 400 years of black residency in the UK the treatment of black people is not on par with white people, regardless of the laws of the land; race and equal rights acts created to protect from racial discrimination are hardly worth the paper they are written on.

Perhaps I’ve read it wrong but are they insinuating that in the U.K. a black person doesn’t have the same right to live, be educated, have equal opportunities to work, access to healthcare and services as a white person? Its just too big a stretch for me to accept that this is the case in the U.K. 

Perhaps the work one driven by a few rogue individuals as hiring managers but on the whole most organisations don’t give a shut about skin colour (particularly the big firms), it’s hard enough finding the right person as it is 

Its certainly way beyond a simple ‘anti racism message’ 

Edited December 9, 20205 yr by birch-chorley