Breaking the rules

[Mounts Kipper]

36 minutes ago, Traf said:

breaking the rules / loopholes / going to Liverpool for "business meetings" / going to away games in a lower Tier

All are exactly the same thing and this inconsiderate, ignorant, selfish behaviour is helping the virus spread.
Nobody is exempt, do as you're fucking told FFS.

Strictly speaking going on holiday is breaking the rules, but I think most of the rules are bollocks to be honest, using  your own common sense is more important factor in keeping you clear of the virus in my opinion and that’s why I’m against most of the rules the government have put in place.  

Edited December 30, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Tonge moor green jacket]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Strictly speaking going on holiday is breaking the rules, but I think most of the rules are bollocks to be honest, using  your common sense is more important factor in my opinion. 

Perhaps the rules are made with non compliance in mind?

If people followed them more stringently, maybe they wouldn't need to be so strict.

[Guest]

What are the rules on going away?

just not advised to leave your area
 

 

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Perhaps the rules are made with non compliance in mind?

If people followed them more stringently, maybe they wouldn't need to be so strict.

The government should give advise and it’s up to each and every Individual to use common sense & best practice to reduce risk, but as I’ve said earlier schools & unis are a breeding ground and learning should go online. 

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, radcliffewhite1 said:

What are the rules on going away?

just not advised to leave your area
 

 

Most countries not accepting Brits at present. Travel abroad not allowed in tier 4.

[Guest]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Most countries not accepting Brits at present. Travel abroad not allowed in tier 4.

Thanks, lost track of it all 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The government should give advise and it’s up to each and every Individual to use common sense & best practice to reduce risk, but as I’ve said earlier schools & unis are a breeding ground and learning should go online. 

Which so many failed to do. 

With the exception of America, I'm not sure there's been any other first World nation with such a relaxed, "trust the people" approach.

Lovely in principle, yet for the most part it gets thrown back in the face of the authorities. 

[Traf]

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Strictly speaking going on holiday is breaking the rules,  

In Tier 4, yes.
Tier 3 or lower, just not advised.

[Traf]

2 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Most countries not accepting Brits at present. 

Which looks more of a political decision than a health one to me.

[Mounts Kipper]

6 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Which so many failed to do. 

With the exception of America, I'm not sure there's been any other first World nation with such a relaxed, "trust the people" approach.

Lovely in principle, yet for the most part it gets thrown back in the face of the authorities. 

Sweden probably most relaxed, it’s my preference that folk take responsibility and not government. 

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, Traf said:

In Tier 4, yes.
Tier 3 or lower, just not advised.

Lots of stuff folk doing isn’t advised such as travelling tier 3 to tier 2. We can’t pick and choose then moralise on what’s right or wrong, my view is that folk should have freedom to choose and have freedom to manage their own life as they see fit. 

[Casino]

Id agree, but if it starts affecting others?

[Traf]

2 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

my view is that folk should have freedom to choose and have freedom to manage their own life as they see fit. 

And you're entitled to that opinion.

I just disagree with it. People from Tier 3 areas shouldn't be going on the piss in Liverpool etc.

I had to prove I was COVID-free to go on holiday and isolate on return. It's not the same.

[Mounts Kipper]

23 minutes ago, Traf said:

And you're entitled to that opinion.

I just disagree with it. People from Tier 3 areas shouldn't be going on the piss in Liverpool etc.

I had to prove I was COVID-free to go on holiday and isolate on return. It's not the same.

But you could catch it on the plane or on holiday, same for me. Either you can or can’t travel you can’t have it both ways. That’s my view anyhow. 

[Mounts Kipper]

30 minutes ago, Casino said:

Id agree, but if it starts affecting others?

Im steering clear of folk who I know are at high risk, those who aren’t a high risk have the option to isolate as do folk who are a high risk. 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Traf]

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

But you could catch it on the plane or on holiday, same for me. Either you can or can’t travel you can’t have it both ways. That’s my view anyhow. 

It'd be unlikely to catch it on a plane carrying other passengers who've also had to have covid tests and have to wear masks, but you know this anyway.

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, Traf said:

It'd be unlikely to catch it on a plane carrying other passengers who've also had to have covid tests and have to wear masks, but you know this anyway.

But then you land where your going and you are in contact with folk who’ve not been tested, that’s why it’s a load of cock & bull. It should come down to common sense protect yourself as best as you can and crack on. My wife’s a TA she can put herself at risk day in day out but can’t go out for a meal in a controlled environment. 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Traf]

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

But then you land where your going and you are in contact with folk who’ve not been tested, that’s why it’s a load of cock & bull. It should come down to common sense protect yourself as best as you can and crack on. 

There are 42 active cases on the whole island of Lanzarote. Everyone wears masks in public and I picked up a sanitised hire car.

I'm very confident that I was safer during that fortnight than I've been at any time in the last nine months.

[Tonge moor green jacket]

10 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Im steering clear of folk who I know are at high risk, those who aren’t a high risk have the option to isolate as do folk who are a high risk. 

Are you staying clear of asymptomatic folk?

[Mounts Kipper]

4 minutes ago, Traf said:

There are 42 active cases on the whole island of Lanzarote. Everyone wears masks in public and I picked up a sanitised hire car.

I'm very confident that I was safer during that fortnight than I've been at any time in the last nine months.

I agree, but I’m also not gonna say folk cant go to another area and have a meal in a safe & controlled environment. 

Edited December 30, 2020 by Mounts Kipper

[Mounts Kipper]

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Are you staying clear of asymptomatic folk?

Nope, how can you, other than keeping the 2 metres , mask and washing hands and limiting contact time to folk outside of my bubble, but that’s at my risk. 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

Nope, how can you, other than keeping the 2 metres , mask and washing hands and limiting contact time to folk outside of my bubble, but that’s at my risk. 

Except for those you subsequently come into contact with because you've no idea that you could be infectious.

Especially now with this new strain.

I suppose the other question is why do we wear masks and keep distance- these are government guidance too?

Just don't get the picking and chosing approach.

[Mounts Kipper]

1 minute ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Except for those you subsequently come into contact with because you've no idea that you could be infectious.

Especially now with this new strain.

I suppose the other question is why do we wear masks and keep distance- these are government guidance too?

Just don't get the picking and chosing approach.

I’m opposed to government dictating everything you can and can’t do, I’m in favour of government guidelines and for folk to use common sense, I’m generally keeping to my home bubble, when at work keeping distance and the rest of the advice, keeping my contacts outside of bubble at arms length and minimising contact time, if everyone behaved like this we wouldn’t have the problem, house parties, close contact in pubs and schools are driving the infection, 2 of these I can mitigate but not the contact in school.  

[Big E]

My main gripe is people always calling scousers yet the same cunts been here driving up our figures constantly for a fortnight 

[Casino]

Mounts, like me, is clearly interpreting/using the rules to suit

But its all very well saying lockdown,dont do anything

Im not massively into socialising but the thought of following all the rules to the letter, especially while working and never seeing daylight wouldnt be good for me

While furloughed,in the summer...that was much easier