Members DazBob Posted April 29, 2024 Members Posted April 29, 2024 Just now, Lt. Aldo Raine said: One of the few Jewish MPs has received death threats from a group calling themselves Muslims against Crusades and recently had his constituency office burned down Sadly, he now intends to stand down at the next general election That is sad. I hope he changes his mind and those responsible are caught. Quote
Moderators Casino Posted April 29, 2024 Moderators Posted April 29, 2024 20 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: One of the few Jewish MPs I believe jewish or married to jewish numbers 12 2 of em braverman and jenrick Nobody has torched them two Schapps alone is 5 people Serious point https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68481790 every chance the arsonist is just an, erm, arsonist Quote
BobyBrno Posted April 29, 2024 Posted April 29, 2024 https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2024/feb/15/huge-rise-in-antisemitic-abuse-in-uk-since-hamas-attack-says-charity James Cleverly, the home secretary, said the rise in anti-Jewish hatred and abuse was “utterly deplorable”, and Yvette Cooper, his Labour counterpart, said it was a “stain on our society”. This is just one report. There are many others. Quote
Moderators Zico Posted April 29, 2024 Moderators Posted April 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, BobyBrno said: https://amp.theguardian.com/news/2024/feb/15/huge-rise-in-antisemitic-abuse-in-uk-since-hamas-attack-says-charity James Cleverly, the home secretary, said the rise in anti-Jewish hatred and abuse was “utterly deplorable”, and Yvette Cooper, his Labour counterpart, said it was a “stain on our society”. This is just one report. There are many others. Not just them though https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/21/seen-as-less-human-why-has-islamophobia-surged-amid-israels-gaza-war Hate crimes against Muslims and those perceived to be Muslim in the United Kingdom are up by 140 percent compared with this time last year, according to British police. The United Kingdom anti-Islamophobia organisation Tell MAMA has received a sevenfold increase in reports of Islamophobia since October 7 Quote
Moderators Zico Posted April 29, 2024 Moderators Posted April 29, 2024 The tragic bit about that is "perceived to be Muslim* Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 29, 2024 Members Posted April 29, 2024 34 minutes ago, Casino said: I believe jewish or married to jewish numbers 12 2 of em braverman and jenrick Nobody has torched them two Schapps alone is 5 people Serious point https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68481790 every chance the arsonist is just an, erm, arsonist Fair enough Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 29, 2024 Members Posted April 29, 2024 But as stated before, it's not simply about violence Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 29, 2024 Members Posted April 29, 2024 8 minutes ago, Zico said: The tragic bit about that is "perceived to be Muslim* I'm informed tragic is an inappropriate word for this kind of thing Quote
Moderators Zico Posted April 29, 2024 Moderators Posted April 29, 2024 6 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: But as stated before, it's not simply about violence Or Jews Quote
Moderators Zico Posted April 29, 2024 Moderators Posted April 29, 2024 3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: I'm informed tragic is an inappropriate word for this kind of thing Aye, I did it on purpose as I'm curious if the sympathy stretches that far Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 29, 2024 Members Posted April 29, 2024 3 minutes ago, Zico said: Or Jews No, but then no-one's claimed it is Quote
Moderators Zico Posted April 29, 2024 Moderators Posted April 29, 2024 1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: No, but then no-one's claimed it is Just adding balance for those who are taking sides Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 29, 2024 Members Posted April 29, 2024 It really is bizarre that the subject of Jewish fears or discrimination can't be discussed in its own right without people trying to shoehorn the mistreatment of others into that discussion Highlighting antisemitism isn't denying the struggles of other people Quote
Site Supporter Cheese Posted April 29, 2024 Site Supporter Posted April 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It really is bizarre that the subject of Jewish fears or discrimination can't be discussed in its own right without people trying to shoehorn the mistreatment of others into that discussion Highlighting antisemitism isn't denying the struggles of other people Criticising the IDF isn't "antisemitism", just as condemning Hamas isn't "Islamophobia". You don't have to pick a side. Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 29, 2024 Members Posted April 29, 2024 3 minutes ago, Cheese said: Criticising the IDF isn't "antisemitism", just as condemning Hamas isn't "Islamophobia". You don't have to pick a side. I haven't claimed criticising the IDF is antisemitic 🤷♂️ Quote
Moderators Zico Posted April 29, 2024 Moderators Posted April 29, 2024 4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It really is bizarre that the subject of Jewish fears or discrimination can't be discussed in its own right without people trying to shoehorn the mistreatment of others into that discussion Highlighting antisemitism isn't denying the struggles of other people No, it shouldn't But this is war And @Boby Brno has made it clear he supports Israel and wants them to win so it's clear where his sympathy and contempt lies So I feel it's important as an impartial observer to point out it works both ways Not that I'm expecting to change his mind But I'm not Jewish or Muslim so when I see a point being made about anti semitism being in the rise I don't see an issue in pointing out islamophobia is on the rise Quote
Moderators Casino Posted April 29, 2024 Moderators Posted April 29, 2024 55 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: But as stated before, it's not simply about violence I get that, but i think its clear that far from suppressing stuff, the msm is quick to report perceived aniti semitic stuff Both the arson and the alleged poor treatment of the kid in hospital were big news and presented as anti semitic Raab, braverman, jenrick, schapps, freer all in govt til recently suggests more than a fair share of jewish people with significant influence Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 29, 2024 Members Posted April 29, 2024 8 minutes ago, Casino said: I get that, but i think its clear that far from suppressing stuff, the msm is quick to report perceived aniti semitic stuff Both the arson and the alleged poor treatment of the kid in hospital were big news and presented as anti semitic Raab, braverman, jenrick, schapps, freer all in govt til recently suggests more than a fair share of jewish people with significant influence The investigation into the hospital incident is supposedly still ongoing I'm not sure what you're point is with your final paragraph Quote
Moderators Casino Posted April 29, 2024 Moderators Posted April 29, 2024 5 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: The investigation into the hospital incident is supposedly still ongoing I'm not sure what you're point is with your final paragraph Thats fair enough then, only i cant find mention of it anywhere Compare that with the initial reporting Ferrari and riley amongst others wanted blood Second point, listen to alan duncans comments on the subject when he speaks of undue jewish influence on govt policy Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 29, 2024 Members Posted April 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, Casino said: Ferrari and riley amongst others wanted blood Then your problem is with them not the Jewish family who raised the complaint Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 29, 2024 Members Posted April 29, 2024 3 minutes ago, Casino said: Second point, listen to alan duncans comments on the subject when he speaks of undue jewish influence on govt policy This is going in a rather sad and unexpected direction Quote
Moderators Casino Posted April 29, 2024 Moderators Posted April 29, 2024 1 minute ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: Then your problem is with them not the Jewish family who raised the complaint Didnt the family take the complaint to twitter? Quote
London Wanderer Posted April 29, 2024 Posted April 29, 2024 27 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: It really is bizarre that the subject of Jewish fears or discrimination can't be discussed in its own right without people trying to shoehorn the mistreatment of others into that discussion Highlighting antisemitism isn't denying the struggles of other people It can & you’re spot on, it isn’t denying the struggles of others. But this is a hugely complex historical conflict with Jews & Muslims being discriminated against on both sides. It’s hard to treat things in isolation. Definitions of antisemitism range from any criticism of Israel, to blatant discrimination & hatred directed at Jewish. For example, you’ve got people accusing anyone who sings from the river to the sea as being antisemitic or claiming a Pro Palestine demo is a ‘hate march’. Which are both naive assumptions. Then you’ve got the genuine cases of Hamas sympathisers, or people calling for death to Jews. It’s important to get the label right & look at the whole picture. It’s a war after all. Quote
Moderators Casino Posted April 29, 2024 Moderators Posted April 29, 2024 3 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said: This is going in a rather sad and unexpected direction Just having a chat....linked to the suppression claims And maybe going some way to understanding the govt reluctance to do what i think is right Do you disagree with duncan? Quote
Members Lt. Aldo Raine Posted April 29, 2024 Members Posted April 29, 2024 2 minutes ago, Casino said: Just having a chat....linked to the suppression claims And maybe going some way to understanding the govt reluctance to do what i think is right Do you disagree with duncan? If you think the UK broadly supports Israel because of an undue Jewish influence in the Tory party, that's a shame Hopefully @London Wanderer can put you right because I'm off to bed Quote
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