Meanwhile in Israel

[royal white]

50 minutes ago, Bertie said:

Tell me what? The things I’ve missed out?  eg threatening to invade Greenland, blowing up Venezuelan boats, sending troops to democrat cities on “trumped up” pretences…..

We could be here all night.

Whaddaguy. 

That he wasn’t the president 12 months ago so he couldn’t have saved 30k lives. Also Many of that 30k would have been Hamas. Is there any particular reason you want Hamas members alive? 

[Bertie]

1 minute ago, royal white said:

That he wasn’t the president 12 months ago so he couldn’t have saved 30k lives. Also Many of that 30k would have been Hamas. Is there any particular reason you want Hamas members alive? 

🤦‍♂️- ooopss.  What a numpty. Fair cop on the 12mo 🙄.  Just feels like it 😂.

Of course I don’t want any Hamas members alive. No one on here does. Is there any particular reason you wanted civilians indiscriminately killed at the same time? No.

We both know this is a polarised, circular discussion as per the previous 100 pages, so happy not to go there again. We’ll have to keep agreeing to disagree whether the end did or didn’t justify the means. 

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, Bertie said:

🤦‍♂️- ooopss.  What a numpty. Fair cop on the 12mo 🙄.  Just feels like it 😂.

Of course I don’t want any Hamas members alive. No one on here does. Is there any particular reason you wanted civilians indiscriminately killed at the same time? No.

We both know this is a polarised, circular discussion as per the previous 100 pages, so happy not to go there again. We’ll have to keep agreeing to disagree whether the end did or didn’t justify the means. 

I’m not the one bringing up random numbers that you said could have been saved, many who would have been Hamas. 👍

[London Wanderer]

I’ll go there again no problem

Leaked Israeli data showed 83% of deaths were civilians.

 That’s shocking enough without mentioning the 1700 they kidnapped, the butchered paramedics & journalists & a deliberately inflicted famine. 

Can’t believe people are still defending it as acceptable.

Biden & Trump have both played their parts and could have done more sooner. At least Biden had sanctions on the extremist settlers in the West Bank. Trump removed those sanctions on day one in office.

 He’s no peacemaker, just an egotistical maniac 😄

[bolty58]

6 hours ago, Zico said:

I'm waiting for you to expand but you won't. FFS, we'd have to have the fucking door frames widened. Not sure the missus could push an even bigger bathchair.

a conduit for what? I'll let you work it out.

thinking about it, I'll say well done in getting Nato members to all chip in their fair share Fair point. Well done.

I know he was the first leader to meet with North Korea, following his public spat on twitter

so yeah

i'm all ears Apparently so. Thinking tackle required.

 

[bolty58]

6 hours ago, Bertie said:

Too right. One word is never enough to describe The Don 😉 

You're correct. Making America Great Again.

Four it is.

[Spider]

He seems to have stopped molesting underage girls, so that’s a positive.

Its likely as good as we can expect from him.

[wanderer1984]

42 minutes ago, royal white said:

I’m not the one bringing up random numbers that you said could have been saved, many who would have been Hamas. 👍

I think a few on here are disappointed that The Don has been able to pull this off.

His influence on the world stage is second to none ... They can't handle it. 

Now they're screeching about his looks and something something Greenland.

Crazy really 

[Zico]

9 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

 

thank you for bringing such compelling points to this table of discussion

I can see why you respect him so much

it's just waffle with little substance

like peas in a pod you two

[Tonge moor green jacket]

3 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

I think a few on here are disappointed that The Don has been able to pull this off.

His influence on the world stage is second to none ... They can't handle it. 

Now they're screeching about his looks and something something Greenland.

Crazy really 

He's a loose canon. Totally non standard politician. Unpleasant, rubs people up the wrong way, rude, and not always successful. 

Yet, he seems to manage to do things others can't.

Love him or loathe him, he has certainly shaken up world politics.

How history will see all that, time will tell.

[Zico]

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Yet, he seems to manage to do things others can't.

Like what?

I asked you the other day when you were saying he's likely to win a peace prize, but you didn't reply so guess you missed it

Bolty is on the same page but can't tell me what it is he's done that others can't

Gonzo said he's not ruined the world

I get that people like and respect him which is fine, I'm not arguing the toss over whether he's a cunt or not

I just don't understand where this idea that he's a master politician on the world stage comes from

 

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, Zico said:

Like what?

I asked you the other day when you were saying he's likely to win a peace prize, but you didn't reply so guess you missed it

Bolty is on the same page but can't tell me what it is he's done that others can't

Gonzo said he's not ruined the world

I get that people like and respect him which is fine, I'm not arguing the toss over whether he's a cunt or not

I just don't understand where this idea that he's a master politician on the world stage comes from

 

Stopping/massively reducing illegal immigration. 

[Zico]

Just now, royal white said:

Stopping/massively reducing illegal immigration. 

that's nice for the US, but it's nothing to do with us

and a quick search tells me Obama and Bush both deported more than Trump has - Obama did 3M earning the nickname "Deporter in Chief" - so it's not like they sat around doing nothing regards reducing the number of illegals in the country

but anyway, as I said I'm on about the world stage, and why he's in contention for a nobel peace prize by doing what no one other poltician can

[royal white]

3 minutes ago, Zico said:

that's nice for the US, but it's nothing to do with us

and a quick search tells me Obama and Bush both deported more than Trump has - Obama did 3M earning the nickname "Deporter in Chief" - so it's not like they sat around doing nothing regards reducing the number of illegals in the country

but anyway, as I said I'm on about the world stage, and why he's in contention for a nobel peace prize by doing what no one other poltician can

TMGJ said he seems to do things others can’t, you asked like what. I gave an example. 
 

And your quick search was how many were deported. I said stopping/ massively reducing.

 

Edited October 14, 2025 by royal white

[Spider]

32 minutes ago, wanderer1984 said:

I think a few on here are disappointed that The Don has been able to pull this off.

His influence on the world stage is second to none ... They can't handle it. 

Now they're screeching about his looks and something something Greenland.

Crazy really 

The American president always has more influence than any other world leader, regardless of who it is.

its how they use that power that matters.

So far, he’s got some hostages released and that’s great. But claiming world peace is a stretch.

Sort Ukraine, then we’re talking. He said he would ☺️

[Spider]

And he’s always looked like a cunt, so that’s not news.

Recent events have certainly taken the focus off his Epstein adventures, but once a nonce…

[Zico]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

TMGJ said he seems to do things others can’t, you asked like what. I gave an example. 
 

And your quick search was how many were deported. I said stopping/ massively reducing.

 

if that's the route you want to go down in terms of who said what

TMGJ said it in response to 1984 saying "His influence on the world stage is second to none", in a thread about Israel,

so i was asking TMGJ, not for the first time, about nobel prizes and world politics

so you bring up domestic immigration

fair enough, so I talk about domestic immigration

and you go "yeah I didn't mean that type of immgration"

so yeah, great

[royal white]

Anyways, Israel are reducing aid going through tomorrow because Hamas haven’t handed all the bodies back..or something like that. 

[royal white]

2 minutes ago, Zico said:

if that's the route you want to go down in terms of who said what

TMGJ said it in response to 1984 saying "His influence on the world stage is second to none", in a thread about Israel,

so i was asking TMGJ, not for the first time, about nobel prizes and world politics

so you bring up domestic immigration

fair enough, so I talk about domestic immigration

and you go "yeah I didn't mean that type of immgration"

so yeah, great

Illegal immigration isn’t just a domestic problem. It’s a massive problem in europe which many leaders haven’t got a grip of. Americas leader has.

[Dimron]

7 minutes ago, royal white said:

Anyways, Israel are reducing aid going through tomorrow because Hamas haven’t handed all the bodies back..or something like that. 

Airforce One needs to revisit with Sharpie Pen in Chief on board... thatll reopen the border

[Zico]

6 minutes ago, royal white said:

Illegal immigration isn’t just a domestic problem. It’s a massive problem in europe which many leaders haven’t got a grip of. Americas leader has.

As pointed out, so did previous American leaders, so it's not a unique achievement, just a different approach to lowering the numbers of illegal immigrants in the US

We've not got a grip of either deporting or stopping, so well done Bush, Obama and Trump and what they collectively achieved 

 

 

[royal white]

Just now, Zico said:

As pointed out, so did previous American leaders, so it's not a unique achievement, just a different approach to lowering the numbers of illegal immigrants in the US

We've not got a grip of either deporting or stopping, so well done Bush, Obama and Trump and what they collectively achieved 

 

 

American leaders deported loads because they let loads in. As I mentioned earlier he’s stopped letting them in. You can’t deport something that’s not there 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

How long has Trump been in power, compared to Obama?

I wonder how many illegals came in during the latter's time in office, compared to how many will come in during Trump's. 

Reckon I'll wait until Trump has had his time, and compare them then.

As for beyond America, he seems to have been instrumental in resolving two conflicts.

We all know he's an arse, and all the criticisms chucked at him may be fully justified.

That doesn't mean he isn't worthy of praise when he does something positive.

All this one-eyed view, and the "like what" type questions just smack of bitterness: a concern that he may have actually achieved something. 

A bit like a successful manager in football- SAF. Wasn't always a pleasant man: angry, rude, etc, but bloody successful. 

OK Trump will not achieve the comparative success- few, if any will- but his arrival on the stage has rattled a few cages, and certainly got plenty out of the comfort zone of the Davos type environment, and more into the real world.

Absolutely vital for us in Europe, in getting our own defense in order.

 

[Tonge moor green jacket]

Just now, royal white said:

American leaders deported loads because they let loads in. As I mentioned earlier he’s stopped letting them in. You can’t deport something that’s not there 

Yep.

That's why I asked the question above.

At the end of his term, let's revisit and compare the numbers of ins and outs during their respective times in office.

[royal white]

Piers nails it here