matty2094 Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 This seems to have properly slipped under the radar (or at least it has for me anyway). Only started reading up on it when they started putting cameras up near my old man’s house. https://cleanairgm.com Charges of up to £60 per day for non compliant HGVs, £10 a day for LGVs and private hire vehicles. I thought when the congestion zone was vetoed back in 08 that would’ve been that but it just seems like the same again but under a different guise. We bought a 65 plate van just before corona set in for our side business (which the plan is to grow to a point where Mrs 2094 can run it full time) which I use daily to drive from Bolton to Birchwood for work. So unless I get it retrofitted or buy a newer, compliant van, I’m gunna be expected to fork out £10 a day just to commute in to work. Can’t say I’m impressed! Motorhomes and horseboxes are currently scheduled to fall under the same chargeable category too from what I understand for anyone if that inclination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, matty2094 said: This seems to have properly slipped under the radar (or at least it has for me anyway). Only started reading up on it when they started putting cameras up near my old man’s house. https://cleanairgm.com Charges of up to £60 per day for non compliant HGVs, £10 a day for LGVs and private hire vehicles. I thought when the congestion zone was vetoed back in 08 that would’ve been that but it just seems like the same again but under a different guise. We bought a 65 plate van just before corona set in for our side business (which the plan is to grow to a point where Mrs 2094 can run it full time) which I use daily to drive from Bolton to Birchwood for work. So unless I get it retrofitted or buy a newer, compliant van, I’m gunna be expected to fork out £10 a day just to commute in to work. Can’t say I’m impressed! Motorhomes and horseboxes are currently scheduled to fall under the same chargeable category too from what I understand for anyone if that inclination. It's been discussed on here plenty! It's precisely why I've just changed. 64 plate diesel, without add blue system therefore wouldn't have complied. A bit of relief for lighter vans in that the tax comes in in 2023, not 2022. Got a right good trade in value for my old one as it had such low mileage and there is a shortage second hand ones. As discussed on the other thread, it was an absolute no brainer for me to switch as I wasn't doing long runs and very low mileage. Was only getting 35 to the gallon, as I was just going locally and not getting the benefit of the good fuel economy it could achieve on longer, open road runs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted September 20, 2021 Moderators Share Posted September 20, 2021 16 minutes ago, matty2094 said: This seems to have properly slipped under the radar (or at least it has for me anyway). Only started reading up on it when they started putting cameras up near my old man’s house. https://cleanairgm.com Charges of up to £60 per day for non compliant HGVs, £10 a day for LGVs and private hire vehicles. I thought when the congestion zone was vetoed back in 08 that would’ve been that but it just seems like the same again but under a different guise. We bought a 65 plate van just before corona set in for our side business (which the plan is to grow to a point where Mrs 2094 can run it full time) which I use daily to drive from Bolton to Birchwood for work. So unless I get it retrofitted or buy a newer, compliant van, I’m gunna be expected to fork out £10 a day just to commute in to work. Can’t say I’m impressed! Motorhomes and horseboxes are currently scheduled to fall under the same chargeable category too from what I understand for anyone if that inclination. My mechanic has a unit down darcy lever He lives Lostock 50 quid a week to get to work Ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Youri McAnespie Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 You will need: an old single duvet fashioned into a poncho, a pillow case hood with eyeholes or IRA style balaclava, a 'Black Widow' catapult and a bag of ball-bearings... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, Casino said: My mechanic has a unit down darcy lever He lives Lostock 50 quid a week to get to work Ridiculous Not necessarily the case. Drive his personal car to work, and there is no charge. It only applies to commercial vehicles and not private. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matty2094 Posted September 20, 2021 Author Share Posted September 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Not necessarily the case. Drive his personal car to work, and there is no charge. It only applies to commercial vehicles and not private. So where would I stand with my van then by your reckoning? At the minute I’m using it for commuting to my place of work as a personal vehicle (employed, van isn’t relevant) 5 days a week. It’s used for business purposes probably 40 days a year maximum at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, matty2094 said: So where would I stand with my van then by your reckoning? At the minute I’m using it for commuting to my place of work as a personal vehicle (employed, van isn’t relevant) 5 days a week. It’s used for business purposes probably 40 days a year maximum at the moment. As a van, it will be subject to the tax. Classed as an lgv or whatever, and clocked by npr cameras. Doesn't matter whether its for personal miles. There is a good argument that personal vehicles should be subject to some sort of taxation as they're often used for unnecessary journeys like the school run. That would mean more npr cameras on local minor roads though so not workable. It's mainly aimed at the most polluting vehicles, but for smaller vans that's not necessarily true. I've not read the website recently, but there was talk of extra grants/loans to allow businesses to change to a compliant vehicle. Maybe this has been sorted. Given lead times for vehicles at the moment, if you're considering changing to a compliant one, get the order in sooner rather than later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Thin end of the wedge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, boltondiver said: Thin end of the wedge. Road pricing seems to be the eventual method of getting money into the system. Something has to change with pollution from vehicles though, both with global warming and nox/particulates. Savings will be made further down the road in terms of health and eventually reversing global warming; whether that's ultimately achieved with hydrogen rather than electric well have to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 hour ago, boltondiver said: Thin end of the wedge. See Boris Johnson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 17 minutes ago, Spider said: See Boris Johnson See fucking Andy fuckin Burnham, to be precise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, boltondiver said: See fucking Andy fuckin Burnham, to be precise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweep Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 11 minutes ago, boltondiver said: See fucking Andy fuckin Burnham, to be precise you can look to vote him out next time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 6 minutes ago, Sweep said: you can look to vote him out next time There was a vote recently. Perhaps the majority think he's the best choice. Either way, this isn't his doing. The government (currently run by Sulimaine) gave this the nod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Spider said: There was a vote recently. Perhaps the majority think he's the best choice. Either way, this isn't his doing. The government (currently run by Sulimaine) gave this the nod. He's been pushing this, from day one. If it ends like all his other projects fuck all will come of it. Edited September 20, 2021 by RONNIE PHILLIPS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: He's been pushing this, from day one. If it ends like all his other projects fuck all will come of it. I’m sure he has. But the government have made the decision, as they did with Birmingham. The mayor is a show pony. Quite honestly, I see no issue with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, Spider said: There was a vote recently. Perhaps the majority think he's the best choice. Either way, this isn't his doing. The government (currently run by Sulimaine) gave this the nod. It did indeed. The set up is down to the committee or whoever decided on its methods. Seems a bit unbalanced for me, however it's all part of meeting co2 cuts; we all need it, so have to accept some of the measures. Whether this is the best set up, who knows. Maybe in time they'll tweak it. If grants and loans become available as initially described then its a good thing. If not, then it may be overly punitive and unduly damaging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said: It did indeed. The set up is down to the committee or whoever decided on its methods. Seems a bit unbalanced for me, however it's all part of meeting co2 cuts; we all need it, so have to accept some of the measures. Whether this is the best set up, who knows. Maybe in time they'll tweak it. If grants and loans become available as initially described then its a good thing. If not, then it may be overly punitive and unduly damaging. The timing is unfortunate - again, not blaming the government here. Prices of newer vans is just astronomical as mentioned elsewhere and things like this only make that worse. But, we can’t keep doing what we do. As a G7 outfit we have to lead by example. I actually can get onboard with Boris when he talks like he has today about the need to push on with sorting the climate out. Unfortunately he’s not much of a details man so that needs to be sorted by others. Theres never a perfect time to make big changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Spider said: I’m sure he has. But the government have made the decision, as they did with Birmingham. The mayor is a show pony. Quite honestly, I see no issue with it. I agree. People are reluctant to change, especially if a bit of dosh is involved. Yet we also hear folk saying the planet is rubber ducked and the current generation have to start fixing it for future ones. Can't have it both ways. A bit like brexit. No point keep moaning, got to get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 London had something like 9yrs to prepare for its implementation, we are getting less than half of that & as yet no confirmation of what loans or grants we will be offered. It'll be the usual Burnham shitshow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: I agree. People are reluctant to change, especially if a bit of dosh is involved. Yet we also hear folk saying the planet is rubber ducked and the current generation have to start fixing it for future ones. Can't have it both ways. A bit like brexit. No point keep moaning, got to get on with it. I'm sure people won't complain when the cost of goods goes up as companies seek to claw back the money they will lose... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 1 minute ago, Spider said: The timing is unfortunate - again, not blaming the government here. Prices of newer vans is just astronomical as mentioned elsewhere and things like this only make that worse. But, we can’t keep doing what we do. As a G7 outfit we have to lead by example. I actually can get onboard with Boris when he talks like he has today about the need to push on with sorting the climate out. Unfortunately he’s not much of a details man so that needs to be sorted by others. Theres never a perfect time to make big changes. His dad is a big environmental campaigner, as is his wife. Reckon it's definitely rubbed off on him for the good. A bit like the pandemic, knowing exactly which way to go is difficult, everyone's still learning. As long as folk at the top are pushing in the right direction those with the knowledge have the scope to bring their ideas to the fore. I actually like what the French are doing with regards to insisting on percentage of wood in building construction, unfortunately following grenfell, we're going the other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 Just now, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: I'm sure people won't complain when the cost of goods goes up as companies seek to claw back the money they will lose... Politicians only make a shitshow for themselves by saying things are going to get better and cheaper and more plentiful. Just be honest. Tell us the truth and watch people deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said: I'm sure people won't complain when the cost of goods goes up as companies seek to claw back the money they will lose... So be it. Therein is the point, you either want a planet to live on with decent air and weather, and accept some initial hits, or suffer later. Costs of climate change etc are hidden- increased insurance, business and home losses, health issues and their higher costs to the nhs. They all come back sooner or later. I've already told customers I'm putting prices up next season, as the van needs paying for. Such is life. Edited September 20, 2021 by Tonge moor green jacket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter RONNIE PHILLIPS Posted September 20, 2021 Site Supporter Share Posted September 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: So be it. Therein is the point, you either want a planet to live on with decent air and weather, and accept some initial hits, or suffer later. Costs of climate change etc are hidden- increased insurance, business and home losses, health issues and their higher costs to the nhs. They all come back sooner or later. Think I'll go & live in China 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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