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Trying to dilute comedy

I’m fuckin sick of it now. 
Got people absolutely frothing at the mouth over Jimmy Carrs gypsy/holocaust joke 

I am of the opinion that comedians have the free right to say absolutely anything they like in order to get a laugh
 

It wasn’t on the bbc, it’s on a paid subscription 

Such outrage over a joke. I don’t get it, if you turn a comedian on and he’s not funny or you’re offended then turn it off what is with this cancel culture bollocks 

If you haven’t seen it this is the joke 

Too many soft cunts in this country

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    You could continue that joke. It might offend. But not for the reasons you've outlined about underepresentation. I think the real issue here isn't about the joke, it's about the fact it

  • Shit in her cunt.

  • Rudy is bang on. How far will we let this sanitisation (read 'removal of free speech as a basic tenet of democracy') go. Far too many cunts out there frantically searching for something to be offended

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He's a bastard, he's just as funny as cock cancer that requires penectomy. I'd like to see him make that 'joke' to bare-knuckle gypsies Tyson Fury or Jimmy Doherty or whatever, him who nobbed John Bercow's missus. I'm not a violent man but I think I'll take a swing for him if I ever saw him...

I'd say "what the fuck are you looking at, you fucking marionette?" then deliver a devastating uppercut.

And he'd be mumbling "I don't want to go back in the box" afterwards.

 

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My point wasn’t  about him being funny it’s more the fuckin wet wipes who blow things so out of proportion from a comedy gig, have comedians got to watch what they say in fear of offending someone?

Watched the full show a while ago. The clip in isolation doesn’t do the whole “concept” justice where he explains about jokes and their structure

That said, one of them from that show was always going to cause a fuss

 

He doesn't offend me, I just don't think he's funny. Some people do, he sells out venues I believe, but he's not for me.

As someone wittier than me said, 'I don't agree with what you're saying, but I agree with your right to say it.'

Or something like that.

Rudy- it's now the made the house of commons and raised as "a point of order".

Definitely going too far.

Of course there may come a point when a performance may break an existing law- that would be for the police to sort- but we've have to be careful not to neutralise society from anything controversial or opinionated. 

Like watching porn, and then complaining there was sex in it.

Cancel culture at its finest.

An Englishman,  an irishman and a scot walked into a bar. Unfortunately I cannot continue the joke as there isn't a fair representation of gender. There are no lgbt peoples or minority groups. 

It's just a badly aimed joke really. If he'd said "black people" instead of "Gypsies", I doubt anyone would be defending him.

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14 minutes ago, Francis Fogarty said:

He doesn't offend me, I just don't think he's funny. Some people do, he sells out venues I believe, but he's not for me.

As someone wittier than me said, 'I don't agree with what you're saying, but I agree with your right to say it.'

Or something like that.

My favourite ever Tweet 

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Just now, Cheese said:

It's just a badly aimed joke really. If he'd said "black people" instead of "Gypsies", I doubt anyone would be defending him.

But that’s the thing it’s like South Park or family guy no one escapes jokes because everyone is ridiculed 

There's something on Youtube where Gervais is presenting some awards in America. He tells them to pick their award up and fuck off. Nobody is interested in anything else.

1 minute ago, Rudy said:

But that’s the thing it’s like South Park or family guy no one escapes jokes because everyone is ridiculed 

I just doubt he'd get the same defence and "free speech" bollocks if he'd chosen a different target.

32 minutes ago, MancWanderer said:

Watched the full show a while ago. The clip in isolation doesn’t do the whole “concept” justice where he explains about jokes and their structure

That said, one of them from that show was always going to cause a fuss

 

Exactly this.

Hes done loads of stuff like this, hes not just reeling jokes off like Bernard Manning.

Listened to have a word podcast where he was guest and they go in to all this for a good hour or so. All about pushing the boundaries etc. Its a great listen and had me in stitches.

Hes an extremely intelligent man and probably my favourite comedian. Like he alludes to in the the podcast pushing the boundaries is a major part of comedy.

If were not careful it will be a dying art :(

6 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I just doubt he'd get the same defence and "free speech" bollocks if he'd chosen fr a different target.

Youre right. 

I suppose that would be the point though- quite possible that someone won't like a particular joke for a reason personal to them.

It will be funny to others though.

Not easy to draw the line.

I would have thought there is enough legislation to cover stuff like this, to prevent it from becoming incitement etc for example, but what do people want- especially when you've got social media toxicity and anonymity. 

I know it's a different world now, but would there have been this uproar if Bernard Manning had said the same thing all those years ago ? Yes there would, and Malcom Muggeridge and that woman campaigner who's name escapes me on his case.

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11 minutes ago, Cheese said:

I just doubt he'd get the same defence and "free speech" bollocks if he'd chosen a different target.

It's not part of a routine. Youd have to watch the full thing to understand.

I find his approach to MADMAX more offensive to be fair. 

10 minutes ago, gonzo said:

It's not part of a routine. Youd have to watch the full thing to understand.

😁

Mary Whitehouse, that's her.

Always try and punch up. If you can do that and still be funny - then you're never going to go far wrong.

Gervais made 'Derek' and lives in New York, he was also in a terrible new romantic group called 'Seona Dancing'...

His opinion isn't worth a wank.

Jimmy Carr pretends he laughs like a hyena being bummed, he does gigs for hedge-fund managers, he'd probably do the warm-up for a stoning or beheading in Saudi Arabia if the price was right and he got paid in cash.

It'd be piss funny if that gypsy Tommy Doherty bumped into him in a dark alley.

He'd shit his pants.

He's married to his mum. He wears knickers.

He's an unfunny greedy twat.

Well at least we know how he dies now.

In a shallow grave on a piece of wasteland outside a shitty northern town, his final resting place marked only with bin bags full of shit and tyre tracks from a load of recently departed caravans.

 

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1 hour ago, only1swanny said:

Cancel culture at its finest.

An Englishman,  an irishman and a scot walked into a bar. Unfortunately I cannot continue the joke as there isn't a fair representation of gender. There are no lgbt peoples or minority groups. 

You could continue that joke.

It might offend.

But not for the reasons you've outlined about underepresentation.

I think the real issue here isn't about the joke, it's about the fact it's been available for three months, it's only when people's attention is drawn to it under the title of this is offensive over social media that there is an issue. Such as being told what we should feel and think. It also takes it out of context of what he was doing as people have said.

Does anyone really think Jimmy Carr is anti Gypsy's? Or pro killing them all? Of course not.

There is a world away from this and the likes of Jim Davidson and Chalky.

9 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Always try and punch up. If you can do that and still be funny - then you're never going to go far wrong.

Which was what some comic's issue with Gervais is, he doesn't and never has, done that all that well.

9 minutes ago, Youri McAnespie said:

Gervais made 'Derek' and lives in New York, he was also in a terrible new romantic group called 'Seona Dancing'...

His opinion isn't worth a wank.

Jimmy Carr pretends he laughs like a hyena being bummed, he does gigs for hedge-fund managers, he'd probably do the warm-up for a stoning or beheading in Saudi Arabia if the price was right and he got paid in cash.

It'd be piss funny if that gypsy Tommy Doherty bumped into him in a dark alley.

He'd shit his pants.

He's married to his mum. He wears knickers.

He's an unfunny greedy twat.

It's almost like he plotted his comedy career like he did his marketing job at Shell.

I don't trust the shiny faced loon.

20 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

You could continue that joke.

It might offend.

But not for the reasons you've outlined about underepresentation.

I think the real issue here isn't about the joke, it's about the fact it's been available for three months, it's only when people's attention is drawn to it under the title of this is offensive over social media that there is an issue. Such as being told what we should feel and think. It also takes it out of context of what he was doing as people have said.

Does anyone really think Jimmy Carr is anti Gypsy's? Or pro killing them all? Of course not.

There is a world away from this and the likes of Jim Davidson and Chalky.

I quite like him, wife doesn't.. we put on his show and the wife was really .. not enjoying it so turned it off and watched it later on. Its that straight forward..

She didn't get offended or whinge 

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