only1swanny Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 was it just me or did they seem to have condemmed him as a racist at the start and the whole thing was just to try and belittle him ? was quite funny though when he asked the american girl why it wasnt wrong for her to say the 'N' word.
Smiley Posted December 14, 2004 Author Posted December 14, 2004 They did have him down as one. Though 90% of the black players who had worked under him have forgiven him. When he toured Alabama and spoke with the Americans - he was surprised at the way the "n" word is used and perceived over there. The black girl said she also found it strange that she could say "what yer doing nigger" to her black friend, but if a white person said it to her she would be offended. Ron thought it was a double-standard. Also interesting to see the way the older generation in the Midlands viewed race, race relations, and "political correctness". What did shock me though, was the fact that he had done it before. I bet very few people on here knew that. England vs. Cameroon in 1990 World Cup. Big Ron was commentating and suggested that one of the Cameroon defenders had no brain. Not a racist comment, but Brian Moore quickly picked up on it and said - "You mean no football brain Ron?", to which Atkinson responded, "err, oh, yeah". When they were supposedly off air - Big Ron said - "Do you think I got away with that? I guess only his mother would be offended, and she's probably back home up a tree". Judge for yourselves. A good progamme though.
HomerJay Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 What did shock me though, was the fact that he had done it before. I bet very few people on here knew that. England vs. Cameroon in 1990 World Cup. Big Ron was commentating and suggested that one of the Cameroon defenders had no brain. Not a racist comment, but Brian Moore quickly picked up on it and said - "You mean no football brain Ron?", to which Atkinson responded, "err, oh, yeah".When they were supposedly off air - Big Ron said - "Do you think I got away with that? I guess only his mother would be offended, and she's probably back home up a tree". Judge for yourselves. A good progamme though. cracked me up, so am i now racist???
Smiley Posted December 14, 2004 Author Posted December 14, 2004 Homer, its not the fact that you laughed, its the fact that at the time you had a white pointed pillow case on your head!! I found it both funny and sad. The black guy at the end telling Ron that he may be forgiven if he spent ten weeks at Old Trafford cleaning the boots of Rio Ferdinand for his pennance. fcuk me, I thought Ron was gonna "swing" for him. The "black" community have come down too hard on the guy for my liking. However, final comment of the night, from a reasonable guy was "what if Ron is back commentating, and then criticises a black player on the field?". And we all know the answer to that. He will be branded a racist again. Pathetic.
HomerJay Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 Homer, its not the fact that you laughed, its the fact that at the time you had a white pointed pillow case on your head!! PMSL like ron said, "i know i wasnt very PC, but who is?"
Maggie Tate Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 PC shitboxes don't care what a person believes in, whether they are in fact racist or not, just in what they say. There was some dick off the CRE on the wireless not long ago, they were on about Kick Racism out of Football, this Leeds fan rang in saying he thought there were more and more ethnic fans going to Leeds these days and how he found it positive, and his season ticket was next door to what he described as a 'coloured lad and Dad', going on to say 'it's good that coloureds feel they can come to Leeds Utd with no fear'. The CRE tit said 'oh, thanks very much for your language' and slagged him off for saying 'coloureds' instead of commending him for what he was actually saying. More interested in your words than your meaning these people. All's it does is isolate the non-racist non-PC folk and patronise the ethnics.
Guest william bear Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 PC shitboxes don't care what a person believes in, whether they are in fact racist or not, just in what they say. There was some dick off the CRE on the wireless not long ago, they were on about Kick Racism out of Football, this Leeds fan rang in saying he thought there were more and more ethnic fans going to Leeds these days and how he found it positive, and his season ticket was next door to what he described as a 'coloured lad and Dad', going on to say 'it's good that coloureds feel they can come to Leeds Utd with no fear'. The CRE tit said 'oh, thanks very much for your language' and slagged him off for saying 'coloureds' instead of commending him for what he was actually saying. More interested in your words than your meaning these people. All's it does is isolate the non-racist non-PC folk and patronise the ethnics. these p.c left wing mugs are ruining a traditional xmas the country over :evil: did anyone clock the light switch on in luton? they had to re-name em so's not to offend the overgrowing muslim community :-s happy ede though eh
Maggie Tate Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 Thing is though there's not a Muslim on the planet, or at least certainly not in Great Britain, who's offended by Hotcross buns, the Union Jack, the Cross of St George, the National Anthem, Christmas trees, poppies, Father Christmas or anything else do-gooding fruitcakes have tried to ban for fear of offending minorities. The vast majority of people from minorities want to be treated as equals, not as superiors. By banning all this daft stuff it just re-emphasises that minorites and the indiginous folk are different and reinforces divisions, which is surely the opposite of the CRE and suchlike's reason for being anyway.
Smiley Posted December 14, 2004 Author Posted December 14, 2004 Ask yourself this. If you moved to Jamaica (or similar Caribbean / African nation) to live. Would you be treated as an equal from day one? Would everyone accept you into their community with open arms? And more controversially, should you choose not to work - would you get all the levels of financial support that locals would, or medical support? Oooh, there I go again. Just re-read my last sentence - I am obviously insinuating that all non-white people are lazy good for nothings! Take me out and whip me!
Maggie Tate Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 No, course not. But we're Britain and operate according to higher standards than tinpot African/Caribbean countries, or so I would hope.
Guest william bear Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 in my opinion this government and the p.c gary nevilles pull us and muslims further apart with all this bull s h i t i'd go as far as to say they are breeding hatred
Traf Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 BWFCboy and Mo, apparently! fur q Touchy, too!
HomerJay Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 how is it that if you speak out about certain ethnic minorities bleeding the system you get fucked, but if you do the same about white scrotes not a word is said??? can ya imagine if that scatty woman on that wife swap shit was black, do ya really think the same media coverage would have been construed...
Smiley Posted December 14, 2004 Author Posted December 14, 2004 Which of these observations would be classed as a racist slur in the "New" Britain we live these days then.... Characteristics of cultures from around the world..... 1) Chinese people have yellowish skin and eyes that are slanted. 2) Scandanavian people have fair skin, blonde hair and blue eyes. 3) Afro Caribbean people have black curly hair and thick lips. 4) South American people have dark hair and oily skin.
Maggie Tate Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 You're making mine and billybear's points for us. Either all those statements are racist or none of them are, for there to be an inbetween would, in fact, be racist thinking about it.
Smiley Posted December 14, 2004 Author Posted December 14, 2004 Which people would take offence to that statement though? Scandies? Nope. South Americans.... possibly. Chinese..... possibly. Afro Caribbean - definitely. However, its just an observation. On last nights programme - a mask was shown to Ron - it was allegedly a racist artefact. It was a characiture of a black woman - big eyes, big nose and big fat lips. Ron was asked his view on the mask. He replied that he could purchase anywhere in Britain a similar mask - and in fact a mask also for the likes of Maggie Thatcher, Tony Blair and George Bush. He saw nothing in the mask as racist - more an exaggeration of features. As you would imagine - a mask for Tony Blair would probably have enormous ears on it - to accentuate the fact that his ears slightly stick out. Ron saw it as black culture taking offence to people picking up on their common facial features. (I'm digging myself deeper and deeper!). One final note from the prog - the use of the word Mutha Fucka - by black rappers and black youths in America. It was brought up - why no big deal about this? Surely this is a hugely offensive term. ??????
barryk32 Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 I picked my sprog up from play school one day last week and one of the teachers asked to have a quick word, I thought I was going to sign the accident book as usual but no this is what they had to say!!!! Teacher "We have had a problem with Alex today, he has been making sounds and actions like a monkey, we are worried about it as we have some coloured children here and it might be conceived as racial. Me "Your having a ragging laugh arnt you?" Teacher "Im afraid not Mr Watson" Me "He is ragging 3 years old he is not being a racist he is being a ragging monkey........ Has anybody complained?" Teacher "Well erm no" Me "Thought not. Now fcuk off.......... Idiots"
H Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 the PC brigade strike again. If they don't like the way things are in this country why don't they just piss off to Africa
frank_spencer Posted December 14, 2004 Posted December 14, 2004 PCness is taken WAY to far! i find it funny when people try and describe a black person without stating that they are black! thats propper funny! oh and tyhe nigeerian lad i went to uni with called nigeria Nigger-geria for a laugh as he found it funny that he and his black mates were allowed to say it but not a white person!
Traf Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 In Big Ron's case, he made a comment that was racist. However, I don't consider him to be a racist. These two facts can exist side by side. His use of the word "nigger" merely shows his age, he is from a generation who see no harm in the word, but that doesn't necessarily make them inherent racists. After all, it was Ron who started the black players off in this country and he has done sterling work over the last 20 years to rid this country of racism. He made a stupid throw-away comment, that's all.
Guest william bear Posted December 15, 2004 Posted December 15, 2004 I picked my sprog up from play school one day last week and one of the teachers asked to have a quick word, I thought I was going to sign the accident book as usual but no this is what they had to say!!!! Teacher "We have had a problem with Alex today, he has been making sounds and actions like a monkey, we are worried about it as we have some coloured children here and it might be conceived as racial. Me "Your having a ragging laugh arnt you?" Teacher "Im afraid not Mr Watson" Me "He is ragging 3 years old he is not being a racist he is being a ragging monkey........ Has anybody complained?" Teacher "Well erm no" Me "Thought not. Now fcuk off.......... Idiots" this man deserves a pat on the back
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