jmjhb Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 13 minutes ago, Zico said: They were sentenced the other day The lad who community service was 15 at the time "In mitigation for Al Soaimi, Joe Hedworth said his family moved to the UK from Kuwait in 2016, adding he was "immature and easily led". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-68446855.amp Thanks. That would make sense. That sentence is fucking ridiculous. Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 10 minutes ago, Zico said: They were sentenced the other day The lad who community service was 15 at the time "In mitigation for Al Soaimi, Joe Hedworth said his family moved to the UK from Kuwait in 2016, adding he was "immature and easily led". https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-68446855.amp Awful what the girl went through. I hope she's in a better place than she was in the years afterwards. Good that she's had some justice and is now opening up about it. The sentences for the 'ringleaders' seem long, but still not long enough for me. I'd happily see less petty criminals in prison and people like this for life. But that's not the guidance the judge was following. Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 2 minutes ago, royal white said: Does it really matter who posted it? A 13 years old Kid was raped and one those guilty got CS. WTF is wrong with you? he also sexually assaulted a 12 year old. because Unity News are a bunch of nutjobs. They start by saying the guy was 21. When he was 15 at the time. Then they go on to include a photo of the judge and blame her. Absolutely terrible journalism, from an organisation who say "don't believe BBC and MSM lies". Christ. Quote
royal white Posted March 4, 2024 Author Posted March 4, 2024 12 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: because Unity News are a bunch of nutjobs. They start by saying the guy was 21. When he was 15 at the time. Then they go on to include a photo of the judge and blame her. Absolutely terrible journalism, from an organisation who say "don't believe BBC and MSM lies". Christ. Did a 13 year old get raped and one of the guilty party get CS? Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 5 minutes ago, royal white said: Did a 13 year old get raped and one of the guilty party get CS? You might want to read the 'Children over 10' section rather than asking daft questions Age of criminal responsibility - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) Quote
royal white Posted March 4, 2024 Author Posted March 4, 2024 6 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: You might want to read the 'Children over 10' section rather than asking daft questions Age of criminal responsibility - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk) Not sure what your point is. Everyone on here is pretty much shocked and disgusted at the sentence. You…..well look who’s posted it. Fkin strange guy. Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 (edited) 10 minutes ago, royal white said: Not sure what your point is. Everyone on here is pretty much shocked and disgusted at the sentence. You…..well look who’s posted it. Fkin strange guy. That the age of responsibility is different for children. Did you not know that? It explains why the person you posted about was sentenced differently. A few posters commented saying there would be more to it than statement from a nutjob group on Twitter. Turns out there was a lot more to it & the BBC article was more reliable. Unity News don't tell you he was a child for a start. Unfortunately they've already blamed the judge and released her picture all over Twitter. Now putting her at risk. When all she did was follow the law and guidance. The adults she sentenced received pretty standard terms. Many (including myself) would like them to be more. But that requires further changes in the law and isn't the fault of the judge. Hope my points a little clearer to you now 😊 Edited March 4, 2024 by London Wanderer Quote
royal white Posted March 4, 2024 Author Posted March 4, 2024 Just now, London Wanderer said: That the age of responsibility is different for children. Did you not know that? It explains why the person you posted about was sentenced differently. A few posters commented saying there would be more to it than a few sentences from a group on nutjob group on Twitter. Turns out there was a lot more to it & the BBC article was more reliable. Unity News don't tell you he was a child for a start. Unfortunately they've already blamed the judge and released her picture all over Twitter. Now putting her at risk. When all she did was follow the law and guidance. The adults she sentenced received pretty standard terms. Many (including myself) would like them to be more. But that requires further changes in the law and isn't the fault of the judge. Hope my points a little clearer to you now 😊 Pretty sure most of us are wondering why he’s not in jail. He can be jailed, you know that. The person who sentenced him thought against it. Quote
Tonge moor green jacket Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 31 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: That the age of responsibility is different for children. Did you not know that? It explains why the person you posted about was sentenced differently. A few posters commented saying there would be more to it than statement from a nutjob group on Twitter. Turns out there was a lot more to it & the BBC article was more reliable. Unity News don't tell you he was a child for a start. Unfortunately they've already blamed the judge and released her picture all over Twitter. Now putting her at risk. When all she did was follow the law and guidance. The adults she sentenced received pretty standard terms. Many (including myself) would like them to be more. But that requires further changes in the law and isn't the fault of the judge. Hope my points a little clearer to you now 😊 Like the Bulger killers? OK, not murder, but the girl concerned had received a life sentence of sorts from the attack. If you can show us where sentencing guidelines say CS is the maximum available punishment available for rape by a 15yr old, I'd be grateful. Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 3 minutes ago, royal white said: Pretty sure most of us are wondering why he’s not in jail. He can be jailed, you know that. The person who sentenced him thought against it. And you're right to wonder that. I'm questionning the source because of the way they miss out the key facts and then name and shame the judge. It was a suspended sentence of two years, so was lucky not be sent down. Many children convicted of sexual assualt and rape aren't sent to prison. The adults involved have seen lengthy sentences and the judge has decided that the child would be better suited not to go to prison. About a third of adults convicted aren't even sent to prison and the sentences are often insulting to the victims. It's fucked. Danni Alves will probably only serve a couple of years. You have to treat it differently when it's a kid though. Quote
royal white Posted March 4, 2024 Author Posted March 4, 2024 1 minute ago, London Wanderer said: And you're right to wonder that. I'm questionning the source because of the way they miss out the key facts and then name and shame the judge. It was a suspended sentence of two years, so was lucky not be sent down. Many children convicted of sexual assualt and rape aren't sent to prison. The adults involved have seen lengthy sentences and the judge has decided that the child would be better suited not to go to prison. About a third of adults convicted aren't even sent to prison and the sentences are often insulting to the victims. It's fucked. Danni Alves will probably only serve a couple of years. You have to treat it differently when it's a kid though. You can post the verdict from the guardian, BBC or any other outlet you want. The majority on here will still question the sentence. Many are also sentenced to jail, and long term as well. But hey let’s be more concerned about who’s calling out the ridiculous sentences. Quote
MickyD Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: You have to treat it differently when it's a kid though. Yes, maybe start off by doubling the starting tariff Quote
ZiggyStardust Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 27 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said: Like the Bulger killers? OK, not murder, but the girl concerned had received a life sentence of sorts from the attack. If you can show us where sentencing guidelines say CS is the maximum available punishment available for rape by a 15yr old, I'd be grateful. He wasnt found guilty of rape. The other 3 were. Omar Badreddin, 26, for five counts of rape, jailed for 18 years Mohamed Badreddin, 23, for six counts of rape and one count of assault by penetration, jailed for 13 years Huzaefa Aleboud, 23, for assault by penetration, two counts of rape and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, jailed for five and a half years Hamoud Al Soaimi, 21, for three counts of sexual assault and one assault by penetration, jailed for two years suspended for two years with 180 hours unpaid work Quote
MickyD Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 I’ve just looked on Google. (Can’t wait for Facebook to decide what adverts to target me with!) Penis or fingers… I always thought anything without consent was rape. Quote
Casino Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/assault-by-penetration/ Quick google suggests judge has done nowt wrong Penetration is by other than bodily parts Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 (edited) 1 hour ago, royal white said: You can post the verdict from the guardian, BBC or any other outlet you want. The majority on here will still question the sentence. Many are also sentenced to jail, and long term as well. But hey let’s be more concerned about who’s calling out the ridiculous sentences. The BBC didn't miss out all of the important facts. They didn't post a picture & the name of a judge, who's done fck all wrong, all over social media. Now putting her at risk. He could have gone to prison. Others have. But many don't, it's normal under the guidelines for children not to. All I said was there's a lot more to it than Unity News said there was. Quite obvious that's the case mate, which other posters have shown. Edited March 4, 2024 by London Wanderer Quote
royal white Posted March 4, 2024 Author Posted March 4, 2024 (edited) 24 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: The BBC didn't miss out all of the important facts. They didn't post a picture & the name of a judge, who's done fck all wrong, all over social media. Now putting her at risk. He could have gone to prison. Others have. But many don't, it's normal under the guidelines for children not to. All I said was there's a lot more to it than Unity News said there was. Quite obvious that's the case mate, which other posters have shown. And again most folk wouldn’t give a shit what report was posted they would be more bothered about the sentence. A few are More bothered about who posted it, which say a lot more about them. oh and the judge was named in most reports including the BBCs Edited March 4, 2024 by royal white Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 (edited) 20 minutes ago, royal white said: And again most folk wouldn’t give a shit what report was posted they would be more bothered about the sentence. A few are More bothered about who posted it, which say a lot more about them. oh and the judge was named in most reports including the BBCs The BBC didn’t make up loads of shit about her. How long did it take you to come up with that editing epiphany? 😂 Facts and proper context are important in British justice. For a start, it wasn’t an official rape charge like you’ve been adamant it was. I’d have happily seen him go down. But let’s not pretend it would have been any longer than months for a child offender. She gave as hefty sentences to the adults as she could have, which is good to see. Many other judges would also have not sent the child involved to prison. But that’s not important, let’s accuse her (with no evidence) of letting sexual predators go on holiday and other incompetence. Then post her picture all over social media. Proper helpful ‘reporting’ that 👍 Edited March 4, 2024 by London Wanderer Quote
royal white Posted March 4, 2024 Author Posted March 4, 2024 5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: The BBC didn’t make up loads of shit about her. How long did it take you to come up with that editing epiphany? 😂 Facts and proper context are important in British justice. For a start, it wasn’t an official rape charge like you’ve been adamant it was. I’d have happily seen him go down. But let’s not pretend it would have been any longer than months for a child offender. She gave as hefty sentences to the adults as she could have, which is good to see. Many other judges would also have not sent the child involved to prison. But that’s not important, let’s accuse her (with no evidence) of letting sexual predators go on holiday and other incompetence. Then post her picture all over social media. Proper helpful ‘reporting’ that 👍 What load of shit did they make up about her? I mean it’s not like she’s been in the headlines before. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5535101/amp/Judge-delays-sentencing-paedophile-24-HOLIDAY.html Quote
London Wanderer Posted March 4, 2024 Posted March 4, 2024 (edited) 20 minutes ago, royal white said: What load of shit did they make up about her? I mean it’s not like she’s been in the headlines before. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5535101/amp/Judge-delays-sentencing-paedophile-24-HOLIDAY.html Probably something to do with him not being sent to prison for the initial crime. Context not important though is it? There’s a petition to have her sacked. Signed by 500 plus loonies. Would you like the link? Edited March 4, 2024 by London Wanderer Quote
royal white Posted March 4, 2024 Author Posted March 4, 2024 5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said: Probably something to do with him not being sent to prison for the initial crime. Context not important though is it? There’s a petition to have her sacked. Signed by 500 plus loonies. Would you like the link? So there wasn’t loads of shit they made up about her. Just you making up loads of shit. Haha. Like I said the more you go on says more about you than anyone else. Quote
bolty58 Posted March 5, 2024 Posted March 5, 2024 1 hour ago, royal white said: So there wasn’t loads of shit they made up about her. Just you making up loads of shit. Haha. Like I said the more you go on says more about you than anyone else. Mind boggling. I am 100% certain that if this was a 'whitey' who had done it Earth Father would be doing absolutely everything other than defending/deflecting. Quote
gonzo Posted March 5, 2024 Posted March 5, 2024 9 hours ago, ZiggyStardust said: He wasnt found guilty of rape. The other 3 were. Omar Badreddin, 26, for five counts of rape, jailed for 18 years Mohamed Badreddin, 23, for six counts of rape and one count of assault by penetration, jailed for 13 years Huzaefa Aleboud, 23, for assault by penetration, two counts of rape and assault occasioning actual bodily harm, jailed for five and a half years Hamoud Al Soaimi, 21, for three counts of sexual assault and one assault by penetration, jailed for two years suspended for two years with 180 hours unpaid work Good old cultured Britain. Quote
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