4 hours ago, kent_white said:

I agree with them on this one.

Although it's largely performative bollocks.

Birmingham's prayer making ceremony had a prayer read out in Arabic, with a translation afterwards.

Thin end of the wedge, so maybe they have a point.

In English, or don't bother.

11 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Stuck between a rock and a hard place the police.

It's hard to know what to think without properly understanding what was in her initial statement.

But if she was inciting people to take to the streets etc - then I can understand why the police might try and encourage her to soften her language a bit.

Not enough information to really

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Birmingham's prayer making ceremony had a prayer read out in Arabic, with a translation afterwards.

Thin end of the wedge, so maybe they have a point.

In English, or don't bother.

It's a load of old bollocks whatever language it's in!

Schools not opening or closing early because it’s to hot. We really are breeding a nation of wet wipes aren’t we.

19 hours ago, kent_white said:

Stuck between a rock and a hard place the police.

It's hard to know what to think without properly understanding what was in her initial statement.

But if she was inciting people to take to the streets etc - then I can understand why the police might try and encourage her to soften her language a bit.

Not enough information to really

It's a load of old bollocks whatever language it's in!

It is for me and thee.

Nevertheless, we are a Christian nation fundamentally and historically such procedures tend to go along those lines.

46 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

It is for me and thee.

Nevertheless, we are a Christian nation fundamentally and historically such procedures tend to go along those lines.

Pre reformation maybe! 😁

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Schools not opening or closing early because it’s to hot. We really are breeding a nation of wet wipes aren’t we.

Just pull their kecks down. That'll toughen 'em up.

9 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

Just pull their kecks down. That'll toughen 'em up.

Weirdo

What's going on in the Nottingham NHS?

Paranoid Schizo aĺlowed to walk the streets and murder innocents and now 500 babies and mothers have joined the casualty list

And half the senior "managers" refused to be involved in investigations.

All similar to the Post Office scandal, it's about time we brought these professional managers to account

The NHS wouldn't release some requested data to the Cass review neither.

Definitely need some investigations.

12 hours ago, Dimron said:

What's going on in the Nottingham NHS?

Paranoid Schizo aĺlowed to walk the streets and murder innocents and now 500 babies and mothers have joined the casualty list

And half the senior "managers" refused to be involved in investigations.

All similar to the Post Office scandal, it's about time we brought these professional managers to account

Now they have found rotting bodies in the hospital mortuary

The NHS is rotten to the core. Time for replacement.

55 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

The NHS is rotten to the core. Time for replacement.

If only you weren’t (childishly) ignoring me, you could enlighten us with “what with”?

Just so you know where I’m coming from my 87 year old dad had unbelievable care and support over the 4.5 years he was battling melanoma before he passed away in December. My 86 year old mum is being incredible well looked after by district nurses, doctors and clinics for her illnesses. There will always be exceptions, this week it’s the NUH Trust, but by and large I think the NHS and all who work in it are brilliant. I’m happy and proud to pay my taxes to fund it.

Edited June 25Jun 25 by Bertie

I don't think most of us disagree that the vast majority of clinical staff are great.

Nevertheless, there is undoubtedly a bit of a history of murky dealings.

It is also very inefficient, and clinical care isn't always as good as it should be as a result.

1 hour ago, bolty58 said:

The NHS is rotten to the core. Time for replacement.

Can't have that Bolty.

Have had an up close and personal look at the NHS this past 12 months and they've looked after my wife superbly.

And recently myself too.

Both at Bolton Royal and I can only say the people we've experienced there are an absolute credit.

I'll also throw in the Italian version of our health service who saved her life last June.

I'm certainly not going to diminish the kind of incidents @Dimron refers to, clearly unacceptable and heads should roll.

Not trying to get into a fight with you over this but I just want to highlight some of the good stuff the NHS does.

And I think there is more good than bad.

Is it perfect ? Course not but in my experience, the people working in it are doing wonders, I can't speak of the people at Bolton highly enough.

Yep, it needs reforming not replacing

The treatment I have received over the past 7 years has been second to none, for me, Salford Royal is an amazing hospital and staff are brilliant

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

The NHS is rotten to the core. Time for replacement.

Again - not like you to have a knee jerk reaction to something! 🤣

2 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

I don't think most of us disagree that the vast majority of clinical staff are great.

Nevertheless, there is undoubtedly a bit of a history of murky dealings.

It is also very inefficient, and clinical care isn't always as good as it should be as a result.

Like all large institutions - there are elements of the NHS that are unwieldy and inefficient.

A lot of that is down to the confines in which it's asked to operate by central government (and is demanded by the public). And also because we don't have the capital to spend on large scale infrastructure projects which would help solve the longstanding problems. Any spare money tends to go into workforce and care.

The NHS problem is a bit like the military one. It needs significant investment in both the infrastructure and in paying people a competitive wage to stop them moving abroad or working in the private sector (where are the easy to manage lucrative contracts end up).

Don't delude yourself into thinking this model would continue to work if EVERYTHING came under the auspices of private healthcare providers. People calling for full privatisation are doing so for ideological reasons - and tend not to have the slightest idea what the fuck they're talking about.

The NHS and the way it's funded needs to change. Sadly for the tax payer - that might mean putting more in to get more out. Or dramatically altering our collective expectations about what we want it to deliver in future.

6 hours ago, Greg_BWFC said:

Can't have that Bolty.

Have had an up close and personal look at the NHS this past 12 months and they've looked after my wife superbly.

And recently myself too.

Both at Bolton Royal and I can only say the people we've experienced there are an absolute credit.

I'll also throw in the Italian version of our health service who saved her life last June.

I'm certainly not going to diminish the kind of incidents @Dimron refers to, clearly unacceptable and heads should roll.

Not trying to get into a fight with you over this but I just want to highlight some of the good stuff the NHS does.

And I think there is more good than bad.

Is it perfect ? Course not but in my experience, the people working in it are doing wonders, I can't speak of the people at Bolton highly enough.

No fight mate, don't worry about that. Of course any entity so vast and money devouring will have successes and failures. They delivered my two children safely and securely for example.

It will rankle plenty no doubt but I just believe that there are more cost effective and superior models.

4 hours ago, kent_white said:

Again - not like you to have a knee jerk reaction to something! 🤣

Or to throw out any bait for the obvious catch of the day? 🤣

Just now, bolty58 said:

Or to throw out any bait for the obvious catch of the day? 🤣

That old chestnut, eh? 😁

2 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

No fight mate, don't worry about that. Of course any entity so vast and money devouring will have successes and failures. They delivered my two children safely and securely for example.

It will rankle plenty no doubt but I just believe that there are more cost effective and superior models.

I just wouldn't want us to go down the US route. As others have said, reforms rather than replace.

And I'm thinking some trusts are better than others, certainly feel fortunate to be under the care of people at Bolton 👍

3 minutes ago, kent_white said:

That old chestnut, eh? 😁

You really don't think that was behind it eh? 🤣🤣

1 minute ago, Greg_BWFC said:

I just wouldn't want us to go down the US route. As others have said, reforms rather than replace.

And I'm thinking some trusts are better than others, certainly feel fortunate to be under the care of people at Bolton 👍

I think you might want to examine the French or Australian systems.

All about opinions.