Meanwhile In England

[London Wanderer]

7 hours ago, royal white said:

So there wasn’t loads of shit they made up about her. Just you making up loads of shit. Haha. Like I said the more you go on says more about you than anyone else.

Of course there was. Can you not read 😂

Here's what you said based on the Unity News post you found on Twitter - That a 21 year old had been given community service for rape. That the judge allows sex offenders to go on holiday. A few people pointed out there's likely more to it than that. 

Here's what we found out - The fella was a child at the time. It wasn't a rape charge, so he was sentenced in accordance with the guidance. The judge was just doing her job and the perpetrators were given close to 50 years between them. 
As for the 'holiday' story. Turns out he wasn't being sent to prison, so even that has a bit more nuance that you claim. 

You read into this as much as you want about my character. I've made it very clear that convicted rapists should see bigger sentences and have said the 15 year old could have got a sentence. 

But let's not go making stuff up and accusing judges of not doing their job - poor reporting in my opinion. 👍

 

[royal white]

5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Of course there was. Can you not read 😂

Here's what you said based on the Unity News post you found on Twitter - That a 21 year old had been given community service for rape. That the judge allows sex offenders to go on holiday. A few people pointed out there's likely more to it than that. 

Here's what we found out - The fella was a child at the time. It wasn't a rape charge, so he was sentenced in accordance with the guidance. The judge was just doing her job and the perpetrators were given close to 50 years between them. 
As for the 'holiday' story. Turns out he wasn't being sent to prison, so even that has a bit more nuance that you claim. 

You read into this as much as you want about my character. I've made it very clear that convicted rapists should see bigger sentences and have said the 15 year old could have got a sentence. 

But let's not go making stuff up and accusing judges of not doing their job - poor reporting in my opinion. 👍

 

Let’s try again. You said they made loads of shit up about her. Here’s the post again. Which was made up shit because as far as I can see it’s all correct. 
 

 

 

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Let’s try again. You said they made loads of shit up about her. Here’s the post again. Which was made up shit because as far as I can see it’s all correct. 
 

 

 

Just re-read my post mate 👍

 I’ve said

[royal white]

8 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Just re-read my post mate 👍

 I’ve said

So nothing in the post was shite, it was all correct just not to your liking. 
 

like I’ve said I get it, you’re more annoyed at shabby journalism over a pathetic sentence for a nonce. 
 

👍

[Casino]

42 minutes ago, royal white said:

So nothing in the post was shite, it was all correct just not to your liking. 
 

like I’ve said I get it, you’re more annoyed at shabby journalism over a pathetic sentence for a nonce. 
 

👍

Pathetic sentencing is not the fault of the judge

[BobyBrno]

6 minutes ago, Casino said:

Pathetic sentencing is not the fault of the judge

Who is then? She has form.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-57700649

Lady Justice Macur said Judge Amanda Rippon, who sentenced him at Newcastle Crown Court in April, "failed to have regard to the fact that the overwhelming evidence of good character had led the offender to be able to commit the offences".

 

[Ani]

5 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Who is then? She has form.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-tyne-57700649

Lady Justice Macur said Judge Amanda Rippon, who sentenced him at Newcastle Crown Court in April, "failed to have regard to the fact that the overwhelming evidence of good character had led the offender to be able to commit the offences".

 

The Sentencing Council.

https://www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/sentencing-and-the-council/about-the-sentencing-council/sentencing-council/

One of them is called Jo King.

[royal white]

15 minutes ago, Casino said:

Pathetic sentencing is not the fault of the judge

SHE chose to give him CS over a jail term. Thats down to her 

[Casino]

Its down to sentencing guidelines

[royal white]

Just now, Casino said:

Its down to sentencing guidelines

And the guidelines say he could have been jailed. 

[BobyBrno]

2 minutes ago, Casino said:

Its down to sentencing guidelines

Yes. She chose a lenient one. She could have jailed him.

[Ani]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

And the guidelines say he could have been jailed. 

Do they ? ( I honestly do not know) reading the article he was given a lesser sentence because he was a minor himself at the time. 
 

I have no 'side' on this, but the headline and the full story give a different slant. Other 3 got over 35 years between them and he got suspended. So just trying to understand why his sentence was so much lower. 

[Ani]

Presumably if too lenient CPS will appeal it ? As they did on previous one highlighted ? 

[royal white]

13 minutes ago, Ani said:

Do they ? ( I honestly do not know) reading the article he was given a lesser sentence because he was a minor himself at the time. 
 

I have no 'side' on this, but the headline and the full story give a different slant. Other 3 got over 35 years between them and he got suspended. So just trying to understand why his sentence was so much lower. 

Yep. 

[Ani]

25 minutes ago, royal white said:

Yep. 

Do you know what the top and bottom limits were ? Given he was a minor that played a 'lesser' role ? 
 

I find court stuff fascinating, listened to a sentencing hearing the other week and how they build the sentence seemed quite formulaic but judges have a fair amount of discretion . 
 

https://murdertrialtonight.com Going here Saturday 

Edited March 5, 2024 by Ani

[bolty58]

4 hours ago, gonzo said:

Good old multicultured Britain. 

 

[wakey]

The initial tweet posts a picture of a lenient judge letting monsters roam our streets. Hard to conclude that that isn't exactly their intention. No doubt we all read it and thought the same thing - that seems wrong.

What's weird about this stuff in the social media age is that so many people latch onto that initial reaction without question. When we have more information than ever before available at our fingertips, our default response should surely be "that seems wrong - let me find out more before I reach a conclusion".

A quick google shows the sentences for the others involved, so the narrative of a crazy judge soft on rapists starts to fall apart. There's clearly reasons why the judge has decided on the sentence for this one given what she did with the others - I suspect the big clue is in her description of him as easily led and his age at the time. In any case, there's probably court transcripts knocking about online if anyone's still sufficiently concerned.

Fwiw, once you accept there's probably some context to the sentence, I think it is fair to question the agenda of UNN who made the initial tweet attacking the judge (once bitten twice shy and all that).

No desire to jump too far down that rabbit hole, but for context here's a piece on David Clews, the guy behind UNN https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/former-scots-tory-councillor-emerged-31422962 

[royal white]

10 minutes ago, wakey said:

The initial tweet posts a picture of a lenient judge letting monsters roam our streets. Hard to conclude that that isn't exactly their intention. No doubt we all read it and thought the same thing - that seems wrong.

What's weird about this stuff in the social media age is that so many people latch onto that initial reaction without question. When we have more information than ever before available at our fingertips, our default response should surely be "that seems wrong - let me find out more before I reach a conclusion".

A quick google shows the sentences for the others involved, so the narrative of a crazy judge soft on rapists starts to fall apart. There's clearly reasons why the judge has decided on the sentence for this one given what she did with the others - I suspect the big clue is in her description of him as easily led and his age at the time. In any case, there's probably court transcripts knocking about online if anyone's still sufficiently concerned.

Fwiw, once you accept there's probably some context to the sentence, I think it is fair to question the agenda of UNN who made the initial tweet attacking the judge (once bitten twice shy and all that).

No desire to jump too far down that rabbit hole, but for context here's a piece on David Clews, the guy behind UNN https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/former-scots-tory-councillor-emerged-31422962 

I’ll start again

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-68446855.amp
 

Fkin pathetic some of these sentences. Fair play on the the 3 older lads but fuck knows why the 4th couldn’t get a jail term. Looking at the judges past she does have a bit of history with cases against women. 
 

Whats the law with these getting deported now? It’s not been mentioned anywhere 

[Casino]

you shouldve been a judge

its not too late

you either dont understand how they use sentencing guidelines or youre trying to wind folk up

whichever it is, youre better waiting for cheese as hes as daft as you

[London Wanderer]

3 hours ago, royal white said:

So nothing in the post was shite, it was all correct just not to your liking. 
 

like I’ve said I get it, you’re more annoyed at shabby journalism over a pathetic sentence for a nonce. 
 

👍

Not at all mate, you’re just not reading what I’m posting.

I’m not annoyed about anything 😂Are you okay ?

Many other children are not given prison sentences for sexual assault. You might want to check the definition of paedophile in regards to the offender you’re focusing on 👍

The Unity News post quite clearly gives the impression that the judge is incompetent and is excusing sexual predators. When the opposite is true.

 So yes, it’s a shite post that lacks the real facts and context. And I stand by that 👍
 

Many, like myself, would agree it could have been a prison sentence. But let’s not pretend it would be anything more than a year or two for a young offender. The judge was following the guidance.

[London Wanderer]

46 minutes ago, wakey said:

The initial tweet posts a picture of a lenient judge letting monsters roam our streets. Hard to conclude that that isn't exactly their intention. No doubt we all read it and thought the same thing - that seems wrong.

What's weird about this stuff in the social media age is that so many people latch onto that initial reaction without question. When we have more information than ever before available at our fingertips, our default response should surely be "that seems wrong - let me find out more before I reach a conclusion".

A quick google shows the sentences for the others involved, so the narrative of a crazy judge soft on rapists starts to fall apart. There's clearly reasons why the judge has decided on the sentence for this one given what she did with the others - I suspect the big clue is in her description of him as easily led and his age at the time. In any case, there's probably court transcripts knocking about online if anyone's still sufficiently concerned.

Fwiw, once you accept there's probably some context to the sentence, I think it is fair to question the agenda of UNN who made the initial tweet attacking the judge (once bitten twice shy and all that).

No desire to jump too far down that rabbit hole, but for context here's a piece on David Clews, the guy behind UNN https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/former-scots-tory-councillor-emerged-31422962 

Well put mate.

Blows my mind that grown adults use groups like this as genuine news sources on Twitter. It’s quite clear they’ve got an agenda to push. 

[royal white]

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Not at all mate, you’re just not reading what I’m posting.

I’m not annoyed about anything 😂Are you okay ?

Many other children are not given prison sentences for sexual assault. You might want to check the definition of paedophile in regards to the offender you’re focusing on 👍

The Unity News post quite clearly gives the impression that the judge is incompetent and is excusing sexual predators. When the opposite is true.

 So yes, it’s a shite post that lacks the real facts and context. And I stand by that 👍
 

Many, like myself, would agree it could have been a prison sentence. But let’s not pretend it would be anything more than a year or two for a young offender. The judge was following the guidance.

Yes let’s not bother with 1 and 2 year sentences utterly pointless.

Guidance which includes jail time. But like you say it’s pointless  🙄

Everything in the original post is true. For some reason you don’t want to accept that which is a bit bizarre 

[deeane Koontz]

Will the nonce cunts get drop kicked to the country they came here from after serving their sentances?

[Ani]

16 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Will the nonce cunts get drop kicked to the country they came here from after serving their sentances?

Will depend on his status I think so if he is a citizen then I doubt it, if he is illegal I think so , if he is an asylum seeker or refugee that does not have citizenship then they might !

Hope that clears it up - There will exceptions to each rule as well 🥸

Edited March 5, 2024 by Ani

[royal white]

21 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Will the nonce cunts get drop kicked to the country they came here from after serving their sentances?

You’d hope so though it looks like the younger one has got away with it