2 minutes ago, royal white said:

He will go off on some mad tangent now, trying his best to twist words to justify his. 🤦🏻

Exactly fella. He's already got himself in a pickle saying it wasn't antisemitism. Bit fucked when even the PM had to correct him 😂 

51 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Exactly mate. Jumps in with both feet and 2 hastily searched clips of the Israeli thugs with no clips of that hate preacher at the mosque.

Every single time, he engages in tangential whataboutery. 

Just like Starmer et al, they say things in the pretence they actually give a toss, but in reality, don't.

Football fans the world over have dicks in their midst.

Yet when the Jewish ones come over, somehow their dicks justify a ban on the basis of "safety" not antisemitism.

What absolute bollocks.

Antisemitism creates the safety risk, not a few thugs in their ranks.

Unfortunately, Farage can't come soon enough, though I'm not convinced he will have the balls to truly get to grips with it.

If he (or anyone) doesn't, then there is a massive risk of all Hell breaking loose.

3 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Because I thought it was important to share their views on Arabs. They chant this regularly at games in their thousands and have done all over Europe. It's going to antagonise.

I clearly said in the same post that radicals here would cause trouble as well. So I'm not sure where I have been biased? I'm just pointing out that there will be extremists on both sides.  

 

I think antisemitism amongst elements of our Muslim communities is a huge problem. I think it has all too often been swept under the carpet and not properly acknowledged. I don't think the decision by Uefa is antisemitic, and that's not what Starmer is saying either to be fair. He's calling out the antisemites who would look to cause trouble on the day.

I do however think that it's important to acknowledge the extremists on both sides is what's making it such a tough one to police. 

Biased as in instantly posting videos of one lot of extremist thugs,,but just calling out the others, like I've mentioned a few times. Clips of other radical and extremist thugs are widely available for your next post, then we don't have to debate, thank you

Glad to see you have a hotline to number 10 by the way Doris Stokes x

Just now, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Every single time, he engages in tangential whataboutery. 

Just like Starmer et al, they say things in the pretence they actually give a toss, but in reality, don't.

Football fans the world over have dicks in their midst.

Yet when the Jewish ones come over, somehow their dicks justify a ban on the basis of "safety" not antisemitism.

What absolute bollocks.

Antisemitism creates the safety risk, not a few thugs in their ranks.

Unfortunately, Farage can't come soon enough, though I'm not convinced he will have the balls to truly get to grips with it.

If he (or anyone) doesn't, then there is a massive risk of all Hell breaking loose.

Fuck me what a post this is 

Dicks in their midst? This isn't a few thugs. This is fans, in their thousands, chanting 'death to Arabs'. 

Can you point to where football fans in this country are going abroad and calling for people in the local community to be killed ? 

It's a melting pot of radical Islamists, significant numbers of racist, extremist Tel Aviv fans and then Pro Palestine supporters. 

Of course it is going to be a safety concern. 

And that's not me saying they should be banned. I'm simply saying it's right to raise safety concerns.

And how the hell you think Nigel Farage is going to solve this is beyond me. Starmer has condemned the decision. 

5 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Every single time, he engages in tangential whataboutery. 

Just like Starmer et al, they say things in the pretence they actually give a toss, but in reality, don't.

Football fans the world over have dicks in their midst.

Yet when the Jewish ones come over, somehow their dicks justify a ban on the basis of "safety" not antisemitism.

What absolute bollocks.

Antisemitism creates the safety risk, not a few thugs in their ranks.

Unfortunately, Farage can't come soon enough, though I'm not convinced he will have the balls to truly get to grips with it.

If he (or anyone) doesn't, then there is a massive risk of all Hell breaking loose.

Spot on mate. Like I said, instantly he replied, he jumped in with 2 clips of the Tel Aviv lot, yet fuck all footage of that racist preacher and the terror supporting MP who organised the petition.

Whataboutery is his game because he's lost the argument instantly  

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Fuck me what a post this is 

Dicks in their midst? This isn't a few thugs. This is fans, in their thousands, chanting 'death to Arabs'. 

Can you point to where football fans in this country are going abroad and calling for people in the local community to be killed ? 

It's a melting pot of radical Islamists, significant numbers of racist, extremist Tel Aviv fans and then Pro Palestine supporters. 

Of course it is going to be a safety concern. 

And that's not me saying they should be banned. I'm simply saying it's right to raise safety concerns.

And how the hell you think Nigel Farage is going to solve this is beyond me. Starmer has condemned the decision. 

You’ve never been abroad watching England have you? 

1 minute ago, royal white said:

You’ve never been abroad watching England have you? 

I don't think you can compare this to a war that finished nearly a century ago 😄

Just now, London Wanderer said:

I don't think you can compare this to a war that finished nearly a century ago 😄

No one is….well apart from you. 

 

23 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Exactly fella. He's already got himself in a pickle saying it wasn't antisemitism. Bit fucked when even the PM had to correct him 😂 

A pickle 😄 But it wasn't an antisemitic decision from Uefa or West Midlands Police. Uefa literally agreed not to ban Israeli football teams from competing last week. It was a decision based on safety because of the risk of antisemitism and based on what happened in Amsterdam. What is wrong with acknowledging the two sides to that story? 

13 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Spot on mate. Like I said, instantly he replied, he jumped in with 2 clips of the Tel Aviv lot, yet fuck all footage of that racist preacher and the terror supporting MP who organised the petition.

Whataboutery is his game because he's lost the argument instantly  

I didn't realise this was an argument with winners and losers 😊

17 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Biased as in instantly posting videos of one lot of extremist thugs,,but just calling out the others, like I've mentioned a few times. Clips of other radical and extremist thugs are widely available for your next post, then we don't have to debate, thank you

Glad to see you have a hotline to number 10 by the way Doris Stokes x

I said before I even posted the videos that radicals here would cause trouble. 

But that's biased because I didn't show a video of the racist preacher 😂Why don't you share the video and we can both rage at it? x

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5 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

A pickle 😄 But it wasn't an antisemitic decision from Uefa or West Midlands Police. Uefa literally agreed not to ban Israeli football teams from competing last week. It was a decision based on safety because of the risk of antisemitism and based on what happened in Amsterdam. What is wrong with acknowledging the two sides to that story? 

I didn't realise this was an argument with winners and losers 😊

I said before I even posted the videos that radicals here would cause trouble. 

But that's biased because I didn't show a video of the racist preacher 😂Why don't you share the video and we can both rage at it? x

DYOR fella, I'm up at  5 to do some real work, not indoctrinate young SNP kids. Catch you tomorrow x

2 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

DYOR fella, I'm up at  5 to do some real work, not indoctrinate young SNP kids. Catch you tomorrow x

😂😂

9 minutes ago, burnden said:

 

Listening to a discussion about it all.

A good suggestion was to play it behind closed doors.

Would be fairer, but not ideal.

Hopefully, Starmer will pull his finger out, and tell the authorities to sort it.

4 minutes ago, burnden said:

 

Andrew Fox doesn't think Palestine should exist as a state. He's hardly the type to give a balanced view here and claiming the decision is a salute to Nazism doesn't help to be honest. 

If it's possible to step away from the petty arguments and point scoring for a change, it's important to look at the both sides here.

Birmingham has significant problems with Islamic extremism, you saw that with the homophobic school protests. It appears to be a bit of a hotbed and it's a grim reality that Jewish people travelling over would not feel safe in certain areas. 

Tel A Viv fans however, also have a significant element of religious extremists in their mix. Israeli football is rife with it and Netanyahu himself supports some of the worst of it. This isn't just a few dicks, these are large groups of fans, calling for death to Arabs, mocking dead Gazan children and actively looking to engage and antagonise with people who oppose them. There is widespread evidence of them attacking innocent Arab taxi drivers in Amsterdam and in Greece and also looking to attack Pro Palestine protests. And yes, some of their innocent fans just trying to support their teams have also been subject to antisemitic attacks. That's what WMP and UEFA will be considering as well as radical extremism in Birmingham. 

People can accuse me of Whataboutery or defending the decision. Yet all I'm doing is giving context and showing the extremism on both sides. Clearly it's a decision about safety and a tough one to call. 

But it should still be reversed. 

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

Andrew Fox doesn't think Palestine should exist as a state. He's hardly the type to give a balanced view here and claiming the decision is a salute to Nazism doesn't help to be honest. 

I have no idea who he his other than he says he is the honorary president of the Villa Jewish supporters club and i thought a statement from them might be appropriate here.  

Until Palestinians and others accept Israel and Jews have a right to exist, then "Palestine" never will.

20 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

DYOR fella, I'm up at  5 to do some real work, not indoctrinate young SNP kids. Catch you tomorrow x

I did. Funnily enough I never criticised you for not showing both sides. I just provided some more context 😊

If they’re SNP kids then they’ve already been indoctrinated I’m afraid. I’ll see if I can turn them full Marxist though 😉

Not back to work just yet mate, thanks to this lovely legislation 

https://www.gov.uk/neonatal-care-pay-leave/what-you-get

Shows what we’re capable of as a nation when parties stop bickering & work together on something 🇬🇧

Took the wee one on a walk past the Poppy Factory the other day. Have you been before ? Beautiful building & location. Can just about make it out on the chimney. 

 

10 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Until Palestinians and others accept Israel and Jews have a right to exist, then "Palestine" never will.

What a weird thing to say. 

8 minutes ago, burnden said:

I have no idea who he his other than he says he is the honorary president of the Villa Jewish supporters club and i thought a statement from them might be appropriate here.  

It is appropriate, important to hear all views.

He makes some valid points. I’m just pointing out his own bias. 

It’s just important to also acknowledge that this is a set of fans who consistently bring violence & extremist views when they travel across Europe. Not all of them. & yes they have been subjected to it. 

Combine that with extremists here & it’s a safety risk. 
 

But the majority of Tel A Viv fans will be peaceful & we need to find a way to welcome them. 

2nd May Villa v Spurs - watch this space

22 minutes ago, Cheese said:

What a weird thing to say. 

It’s a ridiculous defence 

The majority of Israeli’s don’t want Palestine to exist. So by his own warped logic Israel shouldn’t exist either. 

 There is a big difference to holding those views & actually wanting to act on them. Most Palestinians just want a home to call their own & to live in peace, stability & have economic independence. Yes many may think negatively of Israel , but that doesn’t mean everyone will act on those views.

There were people in Ireland during the Troubles who thought Northern Ireland shouldn’t exist & it should just all be Ireland. It’s like saying we should have denied Ireland the right to sovereignty because people thought like that & even still do. 

 80% of UN members now supporting statehood. Thats 157 of the 193 members. With more ready to show their support. The world is opening their eyes & folk like TMJ are running out of arguments.

A two state solution won’t be easy, but it’s the only way to achieve peace. The more you deny it, the more extremism will thrive. 

Edited October 16, 2025Oct 16 by London Wanderer

9 hours ago, wakey said:

doesn't fit, but well done you for trying.

anti facts works well though.

It is spelled 'antivax' FFS.

Buck up.

5 hours ago, royal white said:

You’ve never been abroad watching England have you? 

He goes on about some extremist types chanting "Death to arabs" but was OK with a cunt chanting "Death, death to the IDF" at a major televised music event.

Double standards rule OK?

9 hours ago, miamiwhite said:

Oh dear, what was your last sentence above ?

You're having a shocker lad

 

Well done Sir Keir.

 

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

He goes on about some extremist types chanting "Death to arabs" but was OK with a cunt chanting "Death, death to the IDF" at a major televised music event.

Double standards rule OK?

His back peddling on this has been great to watch. Lads had a shocker! He should have just watched the game 😉