Meanwhile In England

[Ani]

6 hours ago, wakey said:

an Oxbridge student had to "workshop" a 2 line chant?

Fuck me, standards are slipping.

Been happening for years…

 

Ra Ra we are going to smash the oiks’ 

 

[gonzo]

3 hours ago, Ani said:

Been happening for years…

 

Ra Ra we are going to smash the oiks’ 

 

That's like Sunday dinner at @Not in Crawleys

[Spider]

Oh

 

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Spider said:

Oh

 

Like the new budget will?

[Not in Crawley]

2 hours ago, gonzo said:

That's like Sunday dinner at @Not in Crawleys

😁

Lunch. Sunday Lunch.

 

[kent_white]

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Like the new budget will?

Inevitably. I suppose Reform are at least being honest with people about the need to raise taxes for public services. Even if it's at odds with their manifesto (which I assume is anti tax). 

[wakey]

7 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Inevitably. I suppose Reform are at least being honest with people about the need to raise taxes for public services. Even if it's at odds with their manifesto (which I assume is anti tax). 

they're also against laxatives, fax machines, waterproof raincoats and the things trains run on.

[green genie]

18 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Inevitably. I suppose Reform are at least being honest with people about the need to raise taxes for public services. Even if it's at odds with their manifesto (which I assume is anti tax). 

….  for the top 5% of earners

[kent_white]

6 minutes ago, green genie said:

….  for the top 5% of earners

Eat the rich ✊😁

Surely they aren't targeting our 'wealth creators"? 

They'll be leaving in droves! 

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, wakey said:

they're also against laxatives, fax machines, waterproof raincoats and the things trains run on.

Hopefully against hallucinogens too. FFS

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

They'll be leaving in droves! 

Better than remaining.

[kent_white]

37 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Better than remaining.

I meant this is Reform's argument every time someone suggests raising taxes. 

'The wealth creators will just up sticks and leave' 

[Not in Crawley]

We have to get over this Thatcherite dead loop of raising taxes being bad. We want better services, better and cheaper transport links, places that are suffering economically to do better, more houses then we need to collectively invest as a country.

The Government is currently in a position of strength given the majority. Make the case for an increase, what is means and what the outcomes are and do it. Labour need to stop being so timid around this subject otherwise nothing is going to change.

[MancWanderer]

1 hour ago, Not in Crawley said:

We have to get over this Thatcherite dead loop of raising taxes being bad. We want better services, better and cheaper transport links, places that are suffering economically to do better, more houses then we need to collectively invest as a country.

The Government is currently in a position of strength given the majority. Make the case for an increase, what is means and what the outcomes are and do it. Labour need to stop being so timid around this subject otherwise nothing is going to change.

They are fair points that you make

I know that it’s currently a stick to beat Labour with but their comms are very poor, so unless they improve, folk won’t buy in because they don’t really understand the benefits. And not because they are all thickos

[bolty58]

2 hours ago, kent_white said:

I meant this is Reform's argument every time someone suggests raising taxes. 

'The wealth creators will just up sticks and leave' 

Newsflash matey. Many of them already have thanks to Revolutionary Rachel.

[mickbrown]

8 hours ago, Spider said:

Oh

 

Doge?

Fucking charlatans

[Spider]

7 hours ago, gonzo said:

Like the new budget will?

But reform Pwomised….

[Spider]

28 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Newsflash matey. Many of them already have thanks to Revolutionary Rachel.

Good.

We don’t want traitors. They’re only fucking off because they’re being asked to tip a few more quid back to the very country that has allowed them to flourish and earn such piles of money in the first place.

I’d rather have fucking immigrants than people who’ll turn their back on their own when the going gets tough.

Churchill would have paid their fares to fuck off, he didn’t like traitors either.

[wakey]

5 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Hopefully against hallucinogens too. FFS

doesn't fit, but well done you for trying.

anti facts works well though.

[Dimron]

Tax just needs to be fairer.

The self-made industrialists escape PAYE... they set their salary just below the NI threshold and take the rest in dividends.

Then there's the Doug Barrowmans who hide  the IOM and put their earnings into offshore bank accounts.

All these "wealth creators" squirrel the money away and avoid contributing to the society they claim to love.

And then you have the global companies who trade in the UK destroying the markets of domestic traders and pay taxes overseas.

 

[burnden]

 

[Not in Crawley]

3 hours ago, MancWanderer said:

They are fair points that you make

I know that it’s currently a stick to beat Labour with but their comms are very poor, so unless they improve, folk won’t buy in because they don’t really understand the benefits. And not because they are all thickos

I'm bored of going on about this at local level - why arent we being more forceful? The nation will agree and it'll take the wind out of the sails from fringe parties like Reform and the Tories.

Be more bold, and stop at the next election- we have four years!

[Cheese]

32 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Tax just needs to be fairer.

The self-made industrialists escape PAYE... they set their salary just below the NI threshold and take the rest in dividends.

Then there's the Doug Barrowmans who hide  the IOM and put their earnings into offshore bank accounts.

All these "wealth creators" squirrel the money away and avoid contributing to the society they claim to love.

And then you have the global companies who trade in the UK destroying the markets of domestic traders and pay taxes overseas.

 

[Not in Crawley]

40 minutes ago, Dimron said:

Tax just needs to be fairer.

The self-made industrialists escape PAYE... they set their salary just below the NI threshold and take the rest in dividends.

Then there's the Doug Barrowmans who hide  the IOM and put their earnings into offshore bank accounts.

All these "wealth creators" squirrel the money away and avoid contributing to the society they claim to love.

And then you have the global companies who trade in the UK destroying the markets of domestic traders and pay taxes overseas.

 

"Wealth creators" is a bullshit term already rich people use.

The middle class of every western economy are the drivers of the economy. Small to middle business, keeping people in their town without having to leave.

Those sat on millions are driving nothing but the same people, from the same places, from the same background, from the same education, going into the same jobs and they are laughing at us because they dont want or need change.

[miamiwhite]

46 minutes ago, burnden said:

 

This is a very interesting thread from a former Chief Inspector at The Met