6 coppers to take him down or 1 member of the public with his bike? 
 

 

 

1 hour ago, Zico said:

hopefully the Blackpool gays will get sent to Wakefield

Manchester Evening News

CCTV shows trio of murderers laughing before storming chi...

Mark Fellows, David Taylor and Lee Newell murdered Kyle Bevan at HMP Wakefield

All Of them or just the killers?

9 hours ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Don’t think the blackpool case was committed by a minority.

Ignoring your point here, 'all your fed'. From that gullible twat and all the guff he swallows from the corrupted BBC News service, ITV and other woke institutions.

Firthicko is certainly at the top of his particular tree. Fucking gobshite.

8 hours ago, RONNIE PHILLIPS said:

Mental health

Our first instinct on seeing this was that he must be some sort of crazed druggie.,

18 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

Our first instinct on seeing this was that he must be some sort of crazed druggie.,

Deeply against the mental health thing, give you an example.

A man takes a kitchen knife from a communal kitchen, lures somebody into their car and stops in the woods, stabs the person over 20 times then tries to hide the body. Attempts to hang himself then walks back to civilisation where he cleans the knife and pops it back in the kitchen draw..

Lawyers get him to please mental health then he can't be tried for murder as he can't be held responsible.

That's ECHR and as much as it protects people it's openly abused.

8 hours ago, Zico said:

hopefully the Blackpool gays will get sent to Wakefield

Manchester Evening News

CCTV shows trio of murderers laughing before storming chi...

Mark Fellows, David Taylor and Lee Newell murdered Kyle Bevan at HMP Wakefield

Fuck me what a way to get killed, 3 completely evil men murdering another evil man. Imagine living any of those lives.

Edited yesterday at 07:481 day by Mounts Kipper

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Fuck me what a way to get killed, 3 completely evil men murdering another evil man. Imagine living any of those lives.

aye, seems like a grim existence alright

13 hours ago, gonzo said:

What else do you think has caused it?

We've had Jews attacked, Muslims attacking folk, Afghan blokes raping folk, now we are seeing Muslims attacked and racist attacks.

Who do you blame for all this level of polarised hatred?

I blame the people doing it first and foremost. I also blame people who spread the hatred and make excuses for it happening. You see it across the political spectrum.

Who do you blame ?

I'd like to know who released the footage of them on the landing to the press, obviously a member of staff who has access to the cctv

Isnt one of them the hitman who killed Paul Massey then got caught because of his fitbit.

2 minutes ago, deeane Koontz said:

Isnt one of them the hitman who killed Paul Massey then got caught because of his fitbit.

Yep

8 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Deeply against the mental health thing, give you an example.

Were you deeply against it in the Nottingham atrocity?

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

ITV and other woke institutions

I don't know if you watch much ITV news nowadays. But I'd argue from left to right the main stations go

Channel 4 News (skewed to the left)

BBC News (fairly impartial - or at least attempts to be. I think the organisation is to the left on social issues - but it's news output remains fairly neutral)

Sky News & ITV News (centre right)

GB News (tabloid and skewed to the right)

ITV news reminds me of Fox in Aus.

10 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Deeply against the mental health thing, give you an example.

A man takes a kitchen knife from a communal kitchen, lures somebody into their car and stops in the woods, stabs the person over 20 times then tries to hide the body. Attempts to hang himself then walks back to civilisation where he cleans the knife and pops it back in the kitchen draw..

Lawyers get him to please mental health then he can't be tried for murder as he can't be held responsible.

That's ECHR and as much as it protects people it's openly abused.

This isn't how ECHR works

7 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

I blame the people doing it first and foremost. I also blame people who spread the hatred and make excuses for it happening. You see it across the political spectrum.

Who do you blame ?

I blame the Muslim grooming gangs on Muslims targeting young white girls and the social services and police force that stood by and let it happen because they were scared to stoke racial tensions and it was easier to blame the victims and turn and blind eye.

I blame the rise in sexual assaults by Afghan men on the establishment allowing thousands of men to arrive and live here with completely different values and views on young women. A situation completely avoidable.

I blame the attacks on Jewish folk on pro Palestinian nut jobs talking aim at people that have no part to play in anything in the middle east.

I blame folk rioting and setting fire to hotels to house on an immigration issue that's been left to spiral out of control. All believing a narrative that all the issues we face in life is down to immigration and such like.

The latter was always going to be a product of what's been allowed to happen.

Muslims were allowed to rape girls on an industrial scale. That's not fed bullshit. That's fact. Absolute fact.

Just because there's other societal issues does not detract from that situation.

There's problems with social services and lack or funding and bad practice that lead to Baby P and the Poor Blackpool kid.

But that's another situation entirely.

Who else can anyone blame but those in charge of the country?

3 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Were you deeply against it in the Nottingham atrocity?

Where someone's blamed mental health? Not sure where you are going with this but I'll answer, with a question,... why should someone use mental health as an excuse ?

41 minutes ago, gonzo said:

I blame the Muslim grooming gangs on Muslims targeting young white girls and the social services and police force that stood by and let it happen because they were scared to stoke racial tensions and it was easier to blame the victims and turn and blind eye.

I blame the rise in sexual assaults by Afghan men on the establishment allowing thousands of men to arrive and live here with completely different values and views on young women. A situation completely avoidable.

I blame the attacks on Jewish folk on pro Palestinian nut jobs talking aim at people that have no part to play in anything in the middle east.

I blame folk rioting and setting fire to hotels to house on an immigration issue that's been left to spiral out of control. All believing a narrative that all the issues we face in life is down to immigration and such like.

The latter was always going to be a product of what's been allowed to happen.

Muslims were allowed to rape girls on an industrial scale. That's not fed bullshit. That's fact. Absolute fact.

Just because there's other societal issues does not detract from that situation.

There's problems with social services and lack or funding and bad practice that lead to Baby P and the Poor Blackpool kid.

But that's another situation entirely.

Who else can anyone blame but those in charge of the country?

Basically, too scared of bad publicity or being branded..

Happening with all back grounds and if people simply "don't care" they'll just do ad they want

Ignoring victims is a particular speciality of this country at times.

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

I blame folk rioting and setting fire to hotels to house on an immigration issue that's been left to spiral out of control. All believing a narrative that all the issues we face in life is down to immigration and such like.

See I don't disagree with much in your post. As you know, I've always said we need to be honest if things are down to a specific cultural issue.

And to be fair you accept that folk are blaming everything on immigration.

But blaming these people's mindsets simply on the issue spiralling out of control just comes across as a deflection. Interestingly more and more people are now defending these acts of violence as a means to an end. Scary stuff.

The fella round the corner from me shouted "I'm protecting my country" as he attacked innocent blokes with a machete.

Protest about the situation in the channel and grooming gangs by all means. Use the ballot box as well.

But when someone resorts to extreme violence then it is nothing more than terrorism. The blame lies with the individual and those encouraging violence. Danny Thomo just the other day saying we need strong British men to defend ourselves because protest isn't working. Part of the problem.

To blame the Labour party above all else is just fckn bonkers for me.

This guy says it better than I will. (Don't agree with everything in his video fwiw).

https://www.instagram.com/p/DZ0mmiFOAFP/?hl=en

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

Who else can anyone blame but those in charge of the country?

Well you are assuming those in charge of the country are there to act in the best interests of the country.

Politics is not about that (although all politicians obviously present themselves as such) it is all about attaining power and thereafter holding on to it.

If I take the US as an example (so folks don't think I'm taking sides on the issues you raised in your post above) was it Americans interests to go to war with Iran - no it wasn't, so why did they?

It's because in order to get elected to their Parliament you need to have eyewatering amounts of money to run and be successful, where does much of this money come from, extremely rich patrons, who once you are elected, you are expected to 'vote' the way they want you too.

The heavily funded pro- Israel lobbying organisations in the US have basically bought enough law makers (MP's) and close associates of Trump (see Kushner and Witkoff) to persuade him (against his own intelligence services advice) to join with Israel to wipe out Israel's mortal enemy, Iran.

Nothing at all to do with the best interest of the USA

It's simply too naive and idealistic to believe politicians do the best for the country or even those who actually voted for them - is Trump doing his best for the average American by giving tax breaks to billionaires funded from cutting health care and social benefits for the sick and poor?

In the UK things aren't as brazen as the US politics (well it never used to be until we found out about the £5m 'gift' to Farage) so it's more about stoking up people's fears and making them want to return to a time 40 years ago before 'blackies', 'muzzies' and 'rag heads' came here, ignoring the fact that the overwhelming majority of blacks, Muslim's and Arabic, are decent law abiding citizens.

Has the country got issues - of course it has, will they be sorted soon - no, why not - because no one has yet found an answer or otherwise it would have already happened.

Does anyone really think everything will suddenly be peachy if Reform gets in, or Burnham becomes our next PM, our I stopped writing posts over three sentence long?

4 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

See I don't disagree with much in your post. As you know, I've always said we need to be honest if things are down to a specific cultural issue.

And to be fair you accept that folk are blaming everything on immigration.

But blaming these people'smindsets simply on the issue spiralling out of control just comes across as a deflection. Interestingly more and more people are now defending these acts of violence as a means to an end. Scary stuff.

The fella round the corner from me shouted "I'm protecting my country" as he attacked innocent blokes with a machete.

Protest about the situation in the channel and grooming gangs by all means. Use the ballot box as well.

But when someone resorts to extreme violence then it is nothing more than terrorism. The blame lies with the individual and those encouraging violence. Danny Thomo just the other day saying we need strong British men to defend ourselves because protest isn't working. Part of the problem.

To blame the Labour party above all else is just fckn bonkers for me.

This guy says it better than I will. (Don't agree with everything in his video fwiw).

https://www.instagram.com/p/DZ0mmiFOAFP/?hl=en

Don't think we are ever that far apart on this stuff to be fair mate.

There's a balance.

I'm not gonna riot, I'm certainly not gonna vote reform. But when you have folk saying we are being fed bullshit and misinformation when there's real life serious issues going on, that's where the angst starts.

Wankers will hijack any issue they can. On both sides. But that's what happens when things are left to spiral out of control.

Edited 17 hours ago17 hr by gonzo

20 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

See I don't disagree with much in your post. As you know, I've always said we need to be honest if things are down to a specific cultural issue.

And to be fair you accept that folk are blaming everything on immigration.

But blaming these people's mindsets simply on the issue spiralling out of control just comes across as a deflection. Interestingly more and more people are now defending these acts of violence as a means to an end. Scary stuff.

The fella round the corner from me shouted "I'm protecting my country" as he attacked innocent blokes with a machete.

Protest about the situation in the channel and grooming gangs by all means. Use the ballot box as well.

But when someone resorts to extreme violence then it is nothing more than terrorism. The blame lies with the individual and those encouraging violence. Danny Thomo just the other day saying we need strong British men to defend ourselves because protest isn't working. Part of the problem.

To blame the Labour party above all else is just fckn bonkers for me.

This guy says it better than I will. (Don't agree with everything in his video fwiw).

https://www.instagram.com/p/DZ0mmiFOAFP/?hl=en

Recent years have shown this isn’t working

30 minutes ago, royal white said:

Recent years have shown this isn’t working

illegal immigration and people smuggling is a problem the world over

to an extent it is working when you see parties like Reform and Restore gaining support.

This puts pressure on others to address it. though it's not something that can be fixed overnight.

15 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

illegal immigration and people smuggling is a problem the world over

to an extent it is working when you see parties like Reform and Restore gaining support.

This puts pressure on others to address it. though it's not something that can be fixed overnight.

It’s been a problem for both parties covering a decade.

11 hours ago, athywhite1958 said:

I'd like to know who released the footage of them on the landing to the press, obviously a member of staff who has access to the cctv

it's footage that was used by the CPS in the trial, so would the press now just have access and be able to show it legitimately?

8 hours ago, royal white said:

It’s been a problem for both parties covering a decade.

And I'm sure it'll be another decade.

Steps in the right direction across Europe though. You can see a huge shift taking place. That's happening at the ballot box - both elected parties and EU elections. The left will continue to suffer if it doesn't accept this shift and the issue at play.

Whilst a minority have always exploited it, it used to be that the asylum system was mostly people who needed it. Now it is completely out of control.

The way the world is heading and the amount of mass migration that will be taking place, countries will have no choice but to adopt much stricter border controls.

11 hours ago, only1swanny said:

Where someone's blamed mental health? Not sure where you are going with this but I'll answer, with a question,... why should someone use mental health as an excuse ?

I think we may be agreeing but got off on the wrong foot.

I'll leave it there mate.

9 hours ago, Zico said:

it's footage that was used by the CPS in the trial, so would the press now just have access and be able to show it legitimately?

I would imagine (not 100% though) they would need the cons consent as daft as it sounds