4 minutes ago, Cheese said:

A good mother, yes. If the mother is a junkie, I'm sure you'd rather the baby was adopted by a nice gay couple.

Indeed.

I'd rather the said baby be adopted by a female first though.

21 minutes ago, Ani said:

2 issues - men in child care - there is a case, as men commit most cases of sexual abuse it would be really unusual if the same did not apply in any area including child care.

It's a working theory. I've just not seen any evidence to support it. Presumably because our safety and safeguarding measures are robust.

23 minutes ago, gonzo said:

You clearly didn't read my other replies.

I'm saying a baby is better with a mother.

Not really that hard to grasp is it.

They're looking after children for a few hours during the day. Not replacing a mother. There's nothing about being a woman that makes them better at looking after other people's children and doing some hand paintings with them.

Just now, kent_white said:

It's a working theory. I've just not seen any evidence to support it. Presumably because our safety and safeguarding measures are robust.

They're looking after children for a few hours during the day. Not replacing a mother. There's nothing about being a woman that makes them better at looking after other people's children and doing some hand paintings with them.

We'd ventured off in to adoption territory there old bean.

As for blokes working in nursery's, nah not for me. Just doesn't feel right. There was one working at my lads nursery and it's just not a place for a bloke to be for me.

14 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Indeed.

I'd rather the said baby be adopted by a female first though.

A good female yes. Not Lucy Letby.

1 hour ago, gonzo said:

You clearly didn't read my other replies.

I'm saying a baby is better with a mother.

Not really that hard to grasp is it.

Correct

I’ve got a job. And a life. 😀

You can get wrong ‘un mums and wrong ‘un dads. Social services needs to keep doing their best to make sure none of them have access to kids.

Equally you can have great mums and great dads. They are the ones who will give a child a safe home.

Surely it’s as simple as that.

23 minutes ago, kent_white said:

It's a working theory. I've just not seen any evidence to support it. Presumably because our safety and safeguarding measures are robust.

They're looking after children for a few hours during the day. Not replacing a mother. There's nothing about being a woman that makes them better at looking after other people's children and doing some hand paintings with them.

There’s a young lad joined the nursery that’s part of our school. He’s great. Full of energy & kids love him. Does a lot of Forest school & wildlife stuff with them.

One kid in particular has had a tough upbringing, quite violent at times in school. He’s made a lovely bond with this member of staff. Has really settled down.

Another guy in my local nursery, he’s always outside running about with the kids. They seem to worship him. He’s been there a while & earns an early years practitioner salary. Not too bad money to aspire to.

Sad state of affairs that there are still dinosaurs out there judging people who care about their work & do a great job.

Most kids in nursery aren’t babies. Many are walking, talking & running about. Research clearly shows kids do better under male & female role models.

These cases are fucking horrific. Cannot even begin to imagine the pain of a parent after putting their trust in a nursery.

The solution isn’t to ban men though. Quite the opposite.

Could be that they aren’t allowed to do changes or something.

Shocking failures once again

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

There’s a young lad joined the nursery that’s part of our school. He’s great. Full of energy & kids love him. Does a lot of Forest school & wildlife stuff with them.

One kid in particular has had a tough upbringing, quite violent at times in school. He’s made a lovely bond with this member of staff. Has really settled down.

Another guy in my local nursery, he’s always outside running about with the kids. They seem to worship him. He’s been there a while & earns an early years practitioner salary. Not too bad money to aspire to.

Sad state of affairs that there are still dinosaurs out there judging people who care about their work & do a great job.

Most kids in nursery aren’t babies. Many are walking, talking & running about. Research clearly shows kids do better under male & female role models.

These cases are fucking horrific. Cannot even begin to imagine the pain of a parent after putting their trust in a nursery.

The solution isn’t to ban men though. Quite the opposite.

Could be that they aren’t allowed to do changes or something.

Best sack him anyway though. Just to be on the safe side 😁

7 hours ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Aye, doesn't seem quite right does it.

DEI rules etc would need to be changed to allow for such an approach, and that might lead to more protests!

You've swallowed so much American Far Right shite that you're unwittingly parrotting it now. It's not called "DEI" in this country, it's "EDI" (with slightly different wording), and it is based on the Equality Act that was introduced in 2010, which does not permit positive discrimination - unlike it does in America.

9 minutes ago, kent_white said:

Best sack him anyway though. Just to be on the side

Nah he's irreplaceable

Just like the maternal love of a mother 😀

Edited June 16Jun 16 by London Wanderer

26 minutes ago, Cheese said:

You've swallowed so much American Far Right shite that you're unwittingly parrotting it now. It's not called "DEI" in this country, it's "EDI" (with slightly different wording), and it is based on the Equality Act that was introduced in 2010, which does not permit positive discrimination - unlike it does in America.

Both DEI and EDI are both widely used here in the UK. The Guardian regularly use the acronym DEI.

3 minutes ago, BobyBrno said:

Both DEI and EDI are both widely used here in the UK. The Guardian regularly use the acronym DEI.

Only ever heard DEI, though it matters not a jot.

Same fuckin letters.

Remarkable that anyone would think it did, let alone it be "far right".

Desperate Etymology of an Idiot.

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

We'd ventured off in to adoption territory there old bean.

As for blokes working in nursery's, nah not for me. Just doesn't feel right. There was one working at my lads nursery and it's just not a place for a bloke to be for me.

Again, thats a very old school view

14 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

Only ever heard DEI, though it matters not a jot.

Same fuckin letters.

Remarkable that anyone would think it did, let alone it be "far right".

Desperate Etymology of an Idiot.

The point I was making is that you're parrotting utter shite.

8 hours ago, royal white said:

There’s multiple reasons the majority of kids end up with their mothers after a parents separation, this is one of them

Mine didnt

14 hours ago, Ani said:

Today’s biggest whataboutery is won by the Australian.

Those Woke institutions like Oxford and Cornell University should never be trusted ! Especially when the Oxford one only examined every child born in Holland over a 10 year period.

Strange that for your argument on adults in day care you post a list of links, but for this just hot air and nothing else.

https://www.sociology.ox.ac.uk/article/new-study-indicates-children-raised-same-sex-parents-perform-better-school

They are like that.

Which one was it?

13 hours ago, kent_white said:

It's absolutely a knee jerk. You've read a few stories and jumped to the illogical conclusion that the best way to stop things happening again is to ban all men from working with young children and prevent homosexual couples from adopting.

It woundn't be knee jerk if you'd looked at credible research that suggested that there was a particular problem with male care workers and/or homosexual men who adopt children.

But my understanding from posts on this forum is that there hasn't been a link found between the two. If you've found some credible research that suggests otherwise then I'm happy to read it and I might even change my mind.

But until then - I'll call it out for what it is. A knee jerk.

We disagree then.

I would legislate to keep males out of child care employment if I were ever in position to do so.

9 hours ago, kent_white said:

Best sack him anyway though. Just to be on the safe side 😁

Precisely!

Vote Kent.

11 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Again, thats a very old school view

It's not. It's just my view.

Edited June 17Jun 17 by gonzo

My lad went to a mosque as part of a school trip yesterday. Both female teachers were made to cover their hair and neck up.

Everyone had to take their shoes off.

But they gave em all a pack of frutella at the end of the tour so all is good.

Up the Muslims.

9 hours ago, Not in Crawley said:

Mine didnt

Great. The majority do. Like I said

4 hours ago, bolty58 said:

Precisely!

Vote Kent.

😁

3 hours ago, gonzo said:

My lad went to a mosque as part of a school trip yesterday. Both female teachers were made to cover their hair and neck up.

Everyone had to take their shoes off.

But they gave em all a pack of frutella at the end of the tour so all is good.

Up the Muslims.

Yeah, Fruit-tella do a wide range of halal sweets.

1 hour ago, Traf said:

Yeah, Fruit-tella do a wide range of halal sweets.

Every animal shape but pig?