Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 5 Site Supporter Share Posted July 5 1 minute ago, gonzo said: Presume its on their twitter mate Fuck that. I'd rather not know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevieb Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 1 hour ago, Traf said: Baz, myself and others from here have asked the Trust a few questions about this and they're being predictably cagey/evasive/defensive. The trust are borderline fraud merchants. I'd rather lose 5k with a chance of a gain under a pseudo investment vehicle and some chance of a return with the bond than chuck £500 into a trust justgiving pot with no potential return with the trust. It's the equivalent of sticking 500 quid on a roulette wheel where all numbers put £500 into the trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted July 5 Share Posted July 5 57 minutes ago, stevieb said: I'd rather lose 5k with a chance of a gain under a pseudo investment vehicle and some chance of a return with the bond than chuck £500 into a trust justgiving pot with no potential return with the trust. It's the equivalent of sticking 500 quid on a roulette wheel where all numbers put £500 into the trust. £500 funds their social media/website for about 18 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 I’d rather invest in neither to be fair but hey ho. Nobody is being forced to do owt they don’t want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 6 Site Supporter Share Posted July 6 8 hours ago, stevieb said: I'd rather lose 5k with a chance of a gain under a pseudo investment vehicle and some chance of a return with the bond than chuck £500 into a trust justgiving pot with no potential return with the trust. It's the equivalent of sticking 500 quid on a roulette wheel where all numbers put £500 into the trust. Nobody is donating £500 to the Trust, nor are they asking for amounts like that. It's aimed at people who couldn't afford the £500 minimum Bond investment, to give them a sense of "doing their bit" I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Cheese said: Nobody is donating £500 to the Trust, nor are they asking for amounts like that. It's aimed at people who couldn't afford the £500 minimum Bond investment, to give them a sense of "doing their bit" I suppose. Wheres the money going to go though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 6 Site Supporter Share Posted July 6 Just now, gonzo said: Wheres the money going to go though? Once the crowd fund has ended, they're having a poll to decide. Probably improvements to the Fan Zone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Biggish Dave Posted July 6 Site Supporter Share Posted July 6 I wouldn't say I've anything against the trust and fair play for at least trying something positive but I've no intention of giving them a tenner annual subs, let alone contribute to their project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 17 minutes ago, Biggish Dave said: I wouldn't say I've anything against the trust and fair play for at least trying something positive but I've no intention of giving them a tenner annual subs, let alone contribute to their project Where I am at Dave. Was interested at the first meeting but it never really came to what I’d thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 42 minutes ago, Cheese said: Once the crowd fund has ended, they're having a poll to decide. Probably improvements to the Fan Zone. I don't use the fanzone, therefore I am oot. Nam Ploy ultras all the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 6 Site Supporter Share Posted July 6 (edited) 5 minutes ago, gonzo said: I don't use the fanzone, therefore I am oot. Same here. I haven't invested in the Bond Scheme and won't be donating to the Supporters' Trust crowdfunder. At least they're doing something though. They can't win really. Don't know why they bother. Edited July 6 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 18 minutes ago, gonzo said: I don't use the fanzone, therefore I am oot. Nam Ploy ultras all the way. JCL😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, Cheese said: Nobody is donating £500 to the Trust, nor are they asking for amounts like that. It's aimed at people who couldn't afford the £500 minimum Bond investment, to give them a sense of "doing their bit" I suppose. See I see it differently. To me it’s squeezing more out of people who will have little but want to help the club. They given they are the voice of the fans should be expecting the fanzone and other things are improved out of the clubs budget. Seems like more money to let them play at being board members and mix with Sharon. Have the trust got rid of all the corrupt folk in it at the start who were clearly looking to some how get the club on the cheap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 6 Site Supporter Share Posted July 6 4 minutes ago, Big E said: See I see it differently. To me it’s squeezing more out of people who will have little but want to help the club. They given they are the voice of the fans should be expecting the fanzone and other things are improved out of the clubs budget. Seems like more money to let them play at being board members and mix with Sharon. Have the trust got rid of all the corrupt folk in it at the start who were clearly looking to some how get the club on the cheap? They're not "squeezing" anything out of anybody. It's completely voluntary. If you can't/don't want to donate, don't donate. No idea about the rest of your post. You'd have to ask a member of the Trust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomski Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 9 minutes ago, Cheese said: They're not "squeezing" anything out of anybody. It's completely voluntary. If you can't/don't want to donate, don't donate. No idea about the rest of your post. You'd have to ask a member of the Trust. I’m with you on this. The trust aren’t using the club etc. it’s very much if you feel you missed out then join in. The club one I just hope pays everyone out for many reasons. I feel I can easily say yes/no but I think for some their is an emotional pull when it comes to the club and it could be argued some folk more easily led could be roused in to action when perhaps they shouldn’t for financial reasons. I think it’s when someone mentioned they’ll likely be distress sales of the bonds which made me think about this. I realise people’s circumstances can change but some will be doing at a whim. No one’s making them but do the club have a responsibility like a bank should when giving loans etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Tonge moor green jacket Posted July 6 Site Supporter Share Posted July 6 Quite. Some conspiracy posts around. Chip in if you want. Don't if you don't. Just hope those trying to do positive things for the club don't get put off by the negativity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZiggyStardust Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 lest we forget: 2021 web page expenses: £13,908 (92.7% of income). 2022 web page expenses : £10164 (64.9% of income) and that Zico, a professional in this field, reckons it should be around £1000 over the two years. (apologies Zico, if i have the wrong figures you estomated at). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 6 Site Supporter Share Posted July 6 38 minutes ago, tomski said: I’m with you on this. The trust aren’t using the club etc. it’s very much if you feel you missed out then join in. The club one I just hope pays everyone out for many reasons. I feel I can easily say yes/no but I think for some their is an emotional pull when it comes to the club and it could be argued some folk more easily led could be roused in to action when perhaps they shouldn’t for financial reasons. I think it’s when someone mentioned they’ll likely be distress sales of the bonds which made me think about this. I realise people’s circumstances can change but some will be doing at a whim. No one’s making them but do the club have a responsibility like a bank should when giving loans etc. No, and they made that explicitly clear from the start. Don’t invest unless you’re prepared to lose all the money you invest. This is a high-risk investment and you are unlikely to be protected if something goes wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big E Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, Cheese said: They're not "squeezing" anything out of anybody. It's completely voluntary. If you can't/don't want to donate, don't donate. No idea about the rest of your post. You'd have to ask a member of the Trust. It is because it pulls at the heart strings.Widnes do the same. the club should be improving facilities and the experience regardless of a go fund me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Zico Posted July 6 Moderators Share Posted July 6 17 hours ago, Cheese said: 10mm is the distance between pixels apparently, and at that screen size is classed as ultra-high definition. 1cm between pixels? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUREADY2ROLL Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 2 hours ago, Biggish Dave said: I wouldn't say I've anything against the trust and fair play for at least trying something positive but I've no intention of giving them a tenner annual subs, let alone contribute to their project Nobody will give money to this initiative; it’s bonkers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 6 Site Supporter Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, Big E said: It is because it pulls at the heart strings.Widnes do the same. the club should be improving facilities and the experience regardless of a go fund me. The club ARE doing those things. The Supporters Trust are just doing a bit extra, and anyone getting involved is doing so completely voluntarily. It's not "pulling on the heart strings" to ask for another screen in the FanZone, or whatever they end up spending it on. Like I said, I don't know why they bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 6 Site Supporter Share Posted July 6 2 minutes ago, RUREADY2ROLL said: Nobody will give money to this initiative; it’s bonkers. They'd raised £700 last time I looked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted July 6 Share Posted July 6 1 hour ago, tomski said: JCL😂 👀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Cheese Posted July 6 Site Supporter Share Posted July 6 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Zico said: 1cm between pixels? Not quite. It's a 10mm pitch, so centre-to-centre. That sort of resolution is used on most High Definition LED signs that are viewed from a distance of 10 metres or more. Edited July 6 by Cheese Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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