The Last Of The Evatt In ...

[Mounts Kipper]

14 minutes ago, bolty58 said:

I have seen boycotts quite a few times in Serie A. 

Affirmative action - one a board can't ignore.

Did it once against Hull about 35 years ago…. Can anyone else remember that boycott?

[Dr. Feelgood]

As I've said previously I can only have grateful respect for zlwhat Sharron has done for the club. Not just the playing side but her ethics & clear communication.

But, for all this she's ducked from sight recently. She needs to step up.

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

As I've said previously I can only have grateful respect for zlwhat Sharron has done for the club. Not just the playing side but her ethics & clear communication.

But, for all this she's ducked from sight recently. She needs to step up.

She's been at every game and was there today tbf.

[Stig]

16 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

My brother and nephew came today, hated every minute, then reminded me after the game they need me to sort tickets for them for Lincoln, Barnsley and Mansfield.  Me not going isn't an option, supporting a football team is nowt to do with who the temporary manager is, its a way of life.

Definitely. Evatt is just an employee who will be gone soon enough. Despite today I'm working out which kids I'm taking to Mansfield on New Year's day as what else will we do?! Mind it would be good taking them to games they'll enjoy unlike today

[desperado]

9 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Other than Santos, which of our players today would you swap for their's?  I find it strange how overrated our players are, we can surely we aren't saying the likes of Jones, Schon, Vic, Tomo would improve the Wigan team??

We are in this ridiculous state of comparing us against the shittest Wigan team we’ve faced in 30 years!!

Seriously, In the last 30/40 years has there been a worse Wigan team that we have played??!!

And they still fucking beat us! 😡

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

24 minutes ago, thebells said:

Numbers are there for sure. But not a person on this board now wants him to stay (there admittedly may be a silent minority). 
 

Chants around us mirrored those of the Wigan fans re getting sacked in the morning. 
 

The tide has definitely turned. It takes a strong board to resist that growing pressure. 

Possibly, but I get the impression the board think a lot like he does i.e. we've averaged so many points over the last dozen or so matches, he has a 50% win rate, we're one point outside the play-off places, etc.

I understand that the majority of our investors have a very hands-off approach too, excepting Sharon who it seems is his biggest advocate

[gonzo]

Bar Brum there's not many that wouldn't want Dion, Collins and McAtee.

Sheehan walks in to any team in the division. (I know)

Santos walks into any team too imo.

We have a backbone that should be challenging for the title imo. 

Unfortunately we don't have the mindset. 

Or as it seems now, manager

[Johnnyrotten]

19 minutes ago, BeeversLeftPeg said:

I'm talking on a an average week in L1, not just on today's performance, and that is my point entirely. 

The desire Wigan have when they play us negates any advantage in terms of availability we may have. It's a shambles.

So was I.  Look at our very best performances this season, we have never played as well as Wigan did today, IMO.  

[Big E]

3 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Bar Brum there's not many that wouldn't want Dion, Collins and McAtee.

Sheehan walks in to any team in the division. (I know)

Santos walks into any team too imo.

We have a backbone that should be challenging for the title imo. 

Unfortunately we don't have the mindset. 

Or as it seems now, manager

Santos really doesn’t. He is not a winner. No matter how good he is against shit he bottles it. Big teams need winners 

[thebells]

4 minutes ago, Lt. Aldo Raine said:

Possibly, but I get the impression the board think a lot like he does i.e. we've averaged so many points over the last dozen or so matches, he has a 50% win rate, we're one point outside the play-off places, etc.

I understand that the majority of our investors have a very hands-off approach too, excepting Sharon who it seems is his biggest advocate

The dynamic interests me. And some of this is speculative on my part

But Sharon’s not actually invested any of her own money (as far as I’m aware). She represents investment money over here. 

The Swiss money is invested from a small number of extremely high net worth pension funds. My gut feel is that the money invested is, to them, relatively small and they’ll see it as a low risk high reward investment, and possibly happy to keep putting more in. 

Michael James is interesting as I’d imagine, of everyone, he’s the most leveraged here. His investment in comparison to others will be proportionally low now, but he’ll be keener than the others to know his money is safe (albeit his investment was debt carried forward)

Happy to be corrected on any of that. But the upshot is that it possibly ain’t Sharon’s decision to make, and the Swiss may be fairly relaxed (and of course not at games to see how bad it is).

MJ may be the one who is most emotionally and financially invested in making a change. 

[Johnnyrotten]

15 minutes ago, desperado said:

We are in this ridiculous state of comparing us against the shittest Wigan team we’ve faced in 30 years!!

Seriously, In the last 30/40 years has there been a worse Wigan team that we have played??!!

And they still fucking beat us! 😡

They were no better last season.

But they will be saying the same - when have Wigan ever played a worse Bolton team at this stadium?  Never.  So they don't need to be great.  But a bit of credit, they played well today, looked organised, quick and strong.  Only Wrexham have conceded less than them this season, if anyone was surprised they were tough to play against they were ignoring the stats.

[desperado]

11 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

They were no better last season.

If you go on Latics Speyk, you’ll see their fans think very differently.

One post goes on about being happy if they finish 5th bottom and beat us twice.

They have lost better players, they are losing money, cant buy any players in, are (were) critical of Maloney. I’m sorry pal but they (according to pretty much everybody - us, them, other fans) are far worse than anything (from Wigan) we’ve seen here in the last 30 years - that’s probably why they only won 0-2 and not 0-4

Edited December 14, 2024 by desperado

[Johnnyrotten]

11 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Bar Brum there's not many that wouldn't want Dion, Collins and McAtee.

Sheehan walks in to any team in the division. (I know)

Santos walks into any team too imo.

We have a backbone that should be challenging for the title imo. 

Unfortunately we don't have the mindset. 

Or as it seems now, manager

Wrexham, Wycombe, Huddersfield, Stockport?

But no other team would play Dion, Collins and McAtee in the same team - no physical presence.  Other teams would have one of them, complimenting someone that can win a header or hold the ball up.

Agreed on Santos.  I change my mind on Sheehan depending on opposition - he's the epitome of an IE player, looks a class above against Shrewsbury and Crawley, invisible when we play those "big" games. 

[gonzo]

1 minute ago, Johnnyrotten said:

Wrexham, Wycombe, Huddersfield, Stockport?

But no other team would play Dion, Collins and McAtee in the same team - no physical presence.  Other teams would have one of them, complimenting someone that can win a header or hold the ball up.

Agreed on Santos.  I change my mind on Sheehan depending on opposition - he's the epitome of an IE player, looks a class above against Shrewsbury and Crawley, invisible when we play those "big" games. 

Maybe it's me thinking our players are better than what they are

[ianofcleveleys]

15 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Bar Brum there's not many that wouldn't want Dion, Collins and McAtee.

Sheehan walks in to any team in the division. (I know)

Santos walks into any team too imo.

We have a backbone that should be challenging for the title imo. 

Unfortunately we don't have the mindset. 

Or as it seems now, manager

Our problem is that too many of our players need a shape and a certain type of player around them for them to excel and our manager can't see that. He's been indulged too much by Sharon and her colleagues. 

Sheehan is undermined by what Evatt asks him to do, same with Charles. I'm yet to understand what the point of Collins or McAtee were, they probably don't know themselves either.

Santos isn't that good and has regressed since the turn of the year. He isn't as good an out and out defender as Aimson.

[Johnnyrotten]

4 minutes ago, ianofcleveleys said:

Our problem is that too many of our players need a shape and a certain type of player around them for them to excel and our manager can't see that. He's been indulged too much by Sharon and her colleagues. 

Sheehan is undermined by what Evatt asks him to do, same with Charles. I'm yet to understand what the point of Collins or McAtee were, they probably don't know themselves either.

Santos isn't that good and has regressed since the turn of the year. He isn't as good an out and out defender as Aimson.

I would disagree strongly.  I can't think of one aspect of football (passing, heading, tackling, blocking, pace, reading the game) where Santos isn't ahead of Aimson.  If we'd gone one up (don't laugh) and had a lead to defend today, Santos would have probably got MOM, holding them at bay virtually on his own, as he's done a few times.  Aimson was OK for us, and that cross for JDBs header at Wigan was fantastic, but he's nowhere near Santos level.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

17 minutes ago, thebells said:

and the Swiss may be fairly relaxed (and of course not at games to see how bad it is).

This is the concern

From a strict business standpoint, there's still a fairly convincing argument for not getting rid (basically the things I mentioned in the post you're replying to), and I think it's even more likely to be how it is if you're right about them thinking of their investment as low-risk, high-reward

Obviously we think differently, and are right to think differently in my opinion, but as supporters we view it through a different lens

[Dr. Feelgood]

49 minutes ago, gonzo said:

She's been at every game and was there today tbf.

I know. But during this turmoil she's been uncharacteristically quiet.

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

I think our squad is a strong one, but I'm not sure we have any who is so good they would walk into any team in this league

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

1 minute ago, Dr. Feelgood said:

I know. But during this turmoil she's been uncharacteristically quiet.

I'm not sure she has really

The only time I can ever think she's made any public comment on the football side of things is at the end of a season

And thank fuck for that as I can't be doing with chairmen who regularly stick their oar in

[Big E]

25 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Maybe it's me thinking our players are better than what they are

We all think they are better than they are. It’s what fans do. 
 

I am amazed you guys think the big sulky center half is a shoe in. He has to play in a 3 because he can’t manage a 4. Good players can play more than one system 

[Duck Egg]

Santos is the least of our concerns in that back 3. Jones and Johnston were beyond dreadful today.  The former has been a great servant to this club but I'd feck him off tomorrow based on this seasons performances. 

[Rizlar]

12 minutes ago, Big E said:

We all think they are better than they are. It’s what fans do. 
 

I am amazed you guys think the big sulky center half is a shoe in. He has to play in a 3 because he can’t manage a 4. Good players can play more than one system 

Agreed Santos makes me laugh he forever waves his arms about when he messes up also did anybody else notice when he pushed somebody on the sideline when Baxter was having treatment ? 

[only1swanny]

14 minutes ago, Big E said:

We all think they are better than they are. It’s what fans do. 
 

I am amazed you guys think the big sulky center half is a shoe in. He has to play in a 3 because he can’t manage a 4. Good players can play more than one system 

If he were any good, we'd have had an offer by now for him. 

Our defence is shocking, so it's either baxter or the defence of both..

 

[ianofcleveleys]

32 minutes ago, Johnnyrotten said:

I would disagree strongly.  I can't think of one aspect of football (passing, heading, tackling, blocking, pace, reading the game) where Santos isn't ahead of Aimson.  If we'd gone one up (don't laugh) and had a lead to defend today, Santos would have probably got MOM, holding them at bay virtually on his own, as he's done a few times.  Aimson was OK for us, and that cross for JDBs header at Wigan was fantastic, but he's nowhere near Santos level.

Santos is that sort of player and has been for a while, divides opinion. I might be in the minority in not thinking he's the best defender in L1 but I know I'm not alone.