Bradford Away - 2nd Leg Thursday 14th May

[desperado]

Just reading their ticket details for 2nd  leg at Bradford.

Looks like they are having both stands behind both goals - savvy move from them. Also having the two blocks (F&G) we had last week.

All seats available to home supporters in the Kop, North West Corner, Morrisons Family Stand, TL Dallas Community Stand and the Bradford Lifts Stand (blocks F and G) will be unreserved, enabling City fans to occupy both goals.
 

Probably just giving us the nominal 2k in the other corner? (A, B, C ?) 

 

 

 

Edited Sunday at 05:10 by desperado

[Leyther_Matt]

2 hours ago, desperado said:

Probably just giving us the nominal 2k in the other corner? (A, B, C ?) 

It’s basically the rest of the stand, A-E (obviously with a bit of E lost for netting)

Imagine they will be on sale on Tuesday (or Wednesday at the latest). Best of luck to those in the scramble.

I’m booking the afternoon off but will drink in Sowerby Bridge or Halifax rather than in Bradford itself. They were incredibly welcoming last week, but I don’t envisage that being the case this time around. Banking on the last train (even if penalties/extra time) but worse case is £60 for an Uber back which is still miles less than it would have cost for train and two nights hotel in Plymouth. 

[Tombwfc]

Their fans are more tolerant than ours if they're happy being booted from their season ticket seats to that shitty stand on the end.

[Ani]

Reading on Bradford forums they are not happy. They did the same when they played Carlisle 2 seasons ago. Which means we get 2440 tickets if it is an exact copy. The problem they have is finding away to segregate that gives the away team more than the minimum number of tickets without giving ‘too many’ .

The consequence is not only season tickets holders being chucked out of their seats but also no season ticket holders being guaranteed their seat. It is first come first served when tickets go on sale. Season ticket holders will all get seats but might not be their usual spot, and definitely not for the 2000 or so they have bumped . 

[Tombwfc]

19 minutes ago, Ani said:

Reading on Bradford forums they are not happy. They did the same when they played Carlisle 2 seasons ago. Which means we get 2440 tickets if it is an exact copy. The problem they have is finding away to segregate that gives the away team more than the minimum number of tickets without giving ‘too many’ .

The consequence is not only season tickets holders being chucked out of their seats but also no season ticket holders being guaranteed their seat. It is first come first served when tickets go on sale. Season ticket holders will all get seats but might not be their usual spot, and definitely not for the 2000 or so they have bumped . 

 

If they gave us what we had a week ago and we gave them what Luton had yesterday then both stadiums would be full, no season ticket holder would be inconvenienced and more away fans from both clubs could attend.

Dunno why club's tie themselves in knots looking for pseudo 'advantages'.

[tomski]

5 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

If they gave us what we had a week ago and we gave them what Luton had yesterday then both stadiums would be full, no season ticket holder would be inconvenienced and more away fans from both clubs could attend.

Dunno why club's tie themselves in knots looking for pseudo 'advantages'.

Agree. It’s daft

[Traf]

40 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

If they gave us what we had a week ago and we gave them what Luton had yesterday then both stadiums would be full, no season ticket holder would be inconvenienced and more away fans from both clubs could attend.

Dunno why club's tie themselves in knots looking for pseudo 'advantages'.

The clubs don't really make any more money from giving bigger away followings, so why should they?
Profits from play-off games go into a centralised pot, meaning that Stevenage are the real winners from Bolton & Bradford increasing allocations.

[Bertie]

44 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

If they gave us what we had a week ago and we gave them what Luton had yesterday then both stadiums would be full, no season ticket holder would be inconvenienced and more away fans from both clubs could attend.

Dunno why club's tie themselves in knots looking for pseudo 'advantages'.

Agreed. Plus there’s no way we’re selling 25k home tickets for the first leg even at £20 a pop.

[Ani]

I am perfectly happy sticking Bradford in top tier only. 
 

It is a different scenario for Bradford making their season ticket holders move for the most important game of the season. 

[Tombwfc]

19 minutes ago, Traf said:

The clubs don't really make any more money from giving bigger away followings, so why should they?
Profits from play-off games go into a centralised pot, meaning that Stevenage are the real winners from Bolton & Bradford increasing allocations.

 

Because the actual point of the sport is for fans to enjoy it? 

Us deliberately leaving empty seats and Bradford fucking about their own fans just to stop more people attending (or Stevenage making a few extra quid) is mad.

[jmjhb]

13 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Because the actual point of the sport is for fans to enjoy it? 

Us deliberately leaving empty seats and Bradford fucking about their own fans just to stop more people attending (or Stevenage making a few extra quid) is mad.

I'm fine with giving them 5K in an inconsequential league game where we keep 95% of the revenue; when we get 25% of it such as in these sudden-death playoffs, what's really the motivation to give more than the minimum to away fans?

[Traf]

21 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

Because the actual point of the sport is for fans to enjoy it? 

In an ideal world, maybe.

Personally, I don't want 5,000 Bradford fans drowning us out next Saturday.

[Tombwfc]

22 minutes ago, jmjhb said:

I'm fine with giving them 5K in an inconsequential league game where we keep 95% of the revenue; when we get 25% of it such as in these sudden-death playoffs, what's really the motivation to give more than the minimum to away fans?

 

Who said anything about giving them 5k? There will be some demand for home tickets in the south stand and obviously selling to Wanderers fans should be the priority.

But they could give us the 2,700 we had a week ago and we could easily do the same. They don't fuck over their ST holders, more of our fans can go to the away game and both stadiums sell out.

It will have zero effect on the result either way, but the goal should always be to fill the stadium and do right be the fans, otherwise what's the point of any of it? It's two teams who odds are will be back in L1 at some point in the next five years.

[Ani]

9 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Who said anything about giving them 5k? There will be some demand for home tickets in the south stand and obviously selling to Wanderers fans should be the priority.

But they could give us the 2,700 we had a week ago and we could easily do the same. They don't fuck over their ST holders, more of our fans can go to the away game and both stadiums sell out.

It will have zero effect on the result either way, but the goal should always be to fill the stadium and do right be the fans, otherwise what's the point of any of it? It's two teams who odds are will be back in L1 at some point in the next five years.

You are arguing two contradictory points. Selling to Bolton should be the priority so that means opening the South Stand to Bolton fans. But you also want to give Bradford 2700. But what if demand means we need more than half the bottom tier ? I have never seen an away team with top tier and only one section of bottom, assume for policing. At Bradford they have the same issue that two blocks that are usually for away fans can not be split home and away for segregation. We either give them just the upper tier or add in half the bottom tier which means we can not have the whole bottom tier for Bolton. It was virtually full when we played Barnsley. This would be nearly 4000 fans. 
You are also arguing it is all about the fans and then declaring the number of fans do not make any difference. Which is nonsense. 
 

The one point which is correct is that Bradford screwing over their season ticket holders is horrible but a totally different point. But they must think not having away fans behind the goal is worth it. 

[gonzo]

1 hour ago, Tombwfc said:

 

Because the actual point of the sport is for fans to enjoy it? 

Us deliberately leaving empty seats and Bradford fucking about their own fans just to stop more people attending (or Stevenage making a few extra quid) is mad.

There won't be many empty seats.

There wasn't for Barnsley and Saturday won't be any different. Be great to see fans in the south. Created the best atmosphere ever at the Reebok the other season. 

Be the same on Sat.

 

[barrycowdrill]

Appears we’ve got from the letter N across to the right so blocks A-E

Around 2200 so almost identical to our top tier give or take 

 

Dancing chicken fella has had to move so thank fuck we’re not seeing him cluck about if they bag 🤣

Edited Sunday at 11:23 by barrycowdrill

[Ani]

7 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said:

Appears we’ve got from the letter N across to the right so blocks A-E

Around 2200 so almost identical to our top tier give or take 

 

Dancing chicken fella has had to move so thank fuck we’re not seeing him cluck about if they bag 🤣

Surely block A is by the B ? Be a very strange set up to have block A in the middle. Each block holds about 650, so I think BANT with a bit of A maybe then segregation. 
 

Carlisle got 2440 2 years ago when they beat Bradford over 2 legs in play offs. Bradford won 1-0 at home. 

Edited Sunday at 11:30 by Ani

[barrycowdrill]

1 minute ago, Ani said:

Surely block A is by the B ? Be a very strange set up to have block A in the middle. Each block holds about 650, so I think BANT with a bit of A maybe then segregation. 

We actually go right to left but up to and including the N lettered section. So block A is the S letter then work back to the left. N letter being block E

[Ani]

7 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said:

We actually go right to left but up to and including the N lettered section. So block A is the S letter then work back to the left. N letter being block E

Right you are really confusing me ! Block A is next to the Kop , we have the usual home bit of the Midland Road , they have usual away bit and behind the goal. I am a member at Bradford and just got this off their site. We might not get all block A 

Edited Sunday at 11:40 by Ani

[Traf]

Midland Road Stand holds 4,500, so the midpoint of the T would be approx 2250 seats. 
I can see them doing something like...

[Leyther_Matt]

1 minute ago, Traf said:

Midland Road Stand holds 4,500, so the midpoint of the T would be approx 2250 seats. 
I can see them doing something like...

Probably more likely to have a bit of a buffer nearer to the Kop and move us further to the usual segregation 

[Traf]

7 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Probably more likely to have a bit of a buffer nearer to the Kop and move us further to the usual segregation 

Not sure how the concourse situation works, though.

[Ani]

10 minutes ago, Traf said:

Midland Road Stand holds 4,500, so the midpoint of the T would be approx 2250 seats. 
I can see them doing something like...

The segregation in the stand means that the two away blocks are stand alone the rest behind the stand not as easy, so have BANT on that picture, as mentioned they may cut off some of B but it is not that close to Kop so no real reason, they may chose to lose more seats beaten the end blocks to increase segregation 

Edited Sunday at 11:59 by Ani

[Tombwfc]

1 hour ago, Ani said:

You are arguing two contradictory points. Selling to Bolton should be the priority so that means opening the South Stand to Bolton fans. But you also want to give Bradford 2700. But what if demand means we need more than half the bottom tier ? I have never seen an away team with top tier and only one section of bottom, assume for policing. 

 

If we expect to sell all three of our stands plus the full lower tier in the south then crack on. I don't think we will. There were 23k on last time we played a home first leg in the playoffs, and this one is at 8pm.

There's nothing contradictory about saying we should give Bradford another 500 of our empty seats for 500 in return. We're a club that virtually never sells out at home but would take any number away. It's always in our fans interests for the club not to get involved in this daft tit for tat around allocations. And Bradford have taken this even further by inconveniencing their whole fanbase for it.

How many fans are there from each team will make no difference to the result, but being there will make a difference to the Bolton & Bradford fans who are there to see it. People who've followed their teams up and down the country won't get tickets to the away legs for totally arbitrary reasons. And the fact supporters cheer this stuff in is mad.

[Ani]

3 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

 

If we expect to sell all three of our stands plus the full lower tier in the south then crack on. I don't think we will. There were 23k on last time we played a home first leg in the playoffs, and this one is at 8pm.

There's nothing contradictory about saying we should give Bradford another 500 of our empty seats for 500 in return. We're a club that virtually never sells out at home but would take any number away. It's always in our fans interests for the club not to get involved in this daft tit for tat around allocations. And Bradford have taken this even further by inconveniencing their whole fanbase for it.

How many fans are there from each team will make no difference to the result, but being there will make a difference to the Bolton & Bradford fans who are there to see it. People who've followed their teams up and down the country won't get tickets to the away legs for totally arbitrary reasons. And the fact supporters cheer this stuff in is mad.

And there were 24,518 when we played Barnsley and that was a night match I think on a school night. 
 

You are ignoring segregation, we can not just give Bradford 500 extra tickets , given they have the top tier you are suggesting 500 extra in South Lower that have to be segregated. It is totally different than Bradford moving season ticket holders or Barnsley leaving the away end with 3000 empty seats. There were not 500 empty seats in the South Stand last time we were in play offs, so where are you putting them ? 
 

You keep saying number of fans does not make any difference which is complete and utter bollocks.