Bradford Away - 2nd Leg Thursday 14th May

[Rival Son]

27 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Yeah as ultimately it works itself out in the end. And of course one man’s trek is another man’s home game. You’d end up with London Whites racking up loads of points 

Home attendance can be included in criteria, which would level up … and also reward those season ticket holders who attend all games.

[Traf]

9 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

Thing is I'd get the same points for midweek Stevenage as would someone from Bolton even though I only live five miles up the road 

Done Cambridge away midweek a few times lately so that's maximum points for me even though it's half an hour on the train 

As you say no system is fair and I'm sure there will be groups of fans who block book tickets based on credits then distribute them to not all of those who built up the credits 

I've benefitted from away tickets bought by ST holders who then get the credit for attending matches they never went to

Yes, of course, that's true, but the vast majority of fans live relatively close to Bolton.

[DirtySanchez]

2 minutes ago, Traf said:

Yes, of course, that's true, but the vast majority of fans live relatively close to Bolton.

Oh I know, I'm just saying if there was points based on away games I could mop up quite a lot without going too far in travel and cost at the expense of those that are in the Bolton area simply because for them Stevenage away midweek isn't doable 

[Traf]

There just isn't any system that would suit the majority.

If 15,000 want 2,000 tickets, 13,000 will always be unhappy.

Edited 22 hours ago by Traf

[L/H White]

Just get out of this tinpot league 

Problem solved 

[Traf]

1 minute ago, L/H White said:

Just get out of this tinpot league 

Problem solved 

Is the correct answer, as always.

But that won't get us extra tickets at Lincoln, Wrexham, QPR & other small grounds.

[DirtySanchez]

35 minutes ago, L/H White said:

Just get out of this tinpot league 

Problem solved 

How many do you think we'll get at Hull, West Brom, Watford, Swansea, Norwich  and Brum? 

They might be good away days like Blackburn, Preston but of those above there'll be a scramble 

Maybe less so Norwich as it's a pain in the arse to get to 

[gonzo]

How many proper clamours have we had this season?

Blackpool springs to mind. Maybe because that's the only one I was arsed about.

Think Lincoln seemed pretty easy.

[Leyther_Matt]

11 minutes ago, DirtySanchez said:

How many do you think we'll get at Hull, West Brom, Watford, Swansea, Norwich  and Brum? 

They might be good away days like Blackburn, Preston but of those above there'll be a scramble 

Maybe less so Norwich as it's a pain in the arse to get to 

Those will at least be nearer to 2,500+ and obviously won’t have the same demand as a play off semi 

10 minutes ago, gonzo said:

How many proper clamours have we had this season?

Blackpool springs to mind. Maybe because that's the only one I was arsed about.

Think Lincoln seemed pretty easy.

Stockport, Blackpool, Wimbledon and Bradford seemed to be the ones that sold out on the same day but could be wrong. Wigan didn’t go as far as general sale I don’t think. 

[gonzo]

Ah yeah Stockport.

I'm not sure what the answer is really.

I'd be a turkey voting for Xmas wanting a points based system, but it can only be fair for games such as this.

But there are flaws in it all around.

 

[Ani]

2 hours ago, Traf said:

I know you go to loads of away games, as do I, but...devil's advocate if I may?

Should you get the same number of points for going to Wigan away on a sunny Saturday afternoon in August as you do for a Tuesday January/February night in freezing, foggy, pouring rain in Plymouth?

Hypothetical, of course. 😉

My take is that no system is fair, no system will please the majority and the club don't give a shit who attends.
The club make 5% on advanced away ticket sales, so they just want to get rid ASAP.

I think it is pretty simple you get points of going to away games that give you priority for away game when supply is limited. 
No need to over complicate it. Virtually every club has such a scheme. The only argument i have seen against is that some people can not afford to go to lots of away games or can not due to other commitments. Which I get but when a Thursday night game at Bradford or Barnsley comes round everyone is available. 
 

I do not do enough games to be in any elite group but the fact someone who has done 15 aways this season is in the same group as someone who bought a kids ticket is unfair. 

[DirtySanchez]

14 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Those will at least be nearer to 2,500+ and obviously won’t have the same demand as a play off semi 

Stockport, Blackpool, Wimbledon and Bradford seemed to be the ones that sold out on the same day but could be wrong. Wigan didn’t go as far as general sale I don’t think. 

I was meaning it we go up, with higher demand, then we'll encounter the same problem at grounds like that 

Unless we get Hull away on a Friday night again 

[DirtySanchez]

20 minutes ago, Leyther_Matt said:

Those will at least be nearer to 2,500+ and obviously won’t have the same demand as a play off semi 

Stockport, Blackpool, Wimbledon and Bradford seemed to be the ones that sold out on the same day but could be wrong. Wigan didn’t go as far as general sale I don’t think. 

And according to a quick wiki check it'll be 2k at them based on last season 

[Tombwfc]

Worth saying that we do have a loyalty scheme as such, it's the away season ticket.

Our demand, even for a game like this, is relatively manageable. I'd guess most people who logged on at 10am today probably did get a ticket. As you would if you did the same for basically any league game.

You'd have to have been extremely unlucky to have missed out today, the Barnsley away semi's, Accrington in the Papa John's etc. so it should even out with all things being equal. But I wouldn't be outraged if the club did eventually put a points system in place.

[DirtySanchez]

2 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

Worth saying that we do have a loyalty scheme as such, it's the away season ticket.

Our demand, even for a game like this, is relatively manageable. I'd guess most people who logged on at 10am today probably did get a ticket. As you would if you did the same for basically any league game.

You'd have to have been extremely unlucky to have missed out today, the Barnsley away semi's, Accrington in the Papa John's etc. so it should even out with all things being equal. But I wouldn't be outraged if the club did eventually put a points system in place.

The number of away season ticket is capped and folk who can't be arsed with Cambridge away midweek try and sell it on Facebook so they don't miss out on Blackpool away 

It's not loyalty 

And they can just buy the ticket and not turn up 

[desperado]

5 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

most people who logged on at 10am

Can’t prove it - but I don’t think that’s the case. I know a lot who didn’t get on. 

If our success rate is anything to go by, then lots more have missed out. We had 1/4 get through.

[desperado]

And to add. The device that I logged on with first at 9.30 (just by chance as there was no communication this was happening) was randomly put at 1209 in the queue. 

An educated guess that most are on to get more than two. (We were aiming for 4 each - @Casino goes for about 10, he’d go for 20 if he could 😁).

So the sums @Tombwfc just don’t add up that most who logged on at 10am got a ticket. 

[Ani]

21 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

Worth saying that we do have a loyalty scheme as such, it's the away season ticket.

Our demand, even for a game like this, is relatively manageable. I'd guess most people who logged on at 10am today probably did get a ticket. As you would if you did the same for basically any league game.

You'd have to have been extremely unlucky to have missed out today, the Barnsley away semi's, Accrington in the Papa John's etc. so it should even out with all things being equal. But I wouldn't be outraged if the club did eventually put a points system in place.

People did not get tickets if they did there won’t be a debate. 

I missed out on all three of the ones you mention. Despite doing double figures in away games most seasons.

[Ani]

11 minutes ago, desperado said:

And to add. The device that I logged on with first at 9.30 (just by chance as there was no communication this was happening) was randomly put at 1209 in the queue. 

An educated guess that most are on to get more than two. (We were aiming for 4 each - @Casino goes for about 10, he’d go for 20 if he could 😁).

So the sums @Tombwfc just don’t add up that most who logged on at 10am got a ticket. 

Again frustrating that we do not even have a consistent approach. Sometimes there is a waiting room some times there is nt. it was not even first come first served as people from the waiting room are are allocated a place in the queue at random.

And we have not even mentioned the various supporter groups who allegedly get a number of tickets allocated. 

[desperado]

21 minutes ago, Tombwfc said:

You'd have to have been extremely unlucky to have missed out today, the Barnsley away semi's, Accrington in the Papa John's etc

Just not having that either. 

But but for some kind people on here @radcliffe white @Big E   I wouldn’t have gone to Accy. I missed out first time Barnsley away - one of the only ones I’ve missed. 

To attend a load of games that no else prioritises to miss out on the big games doesn’t seem right to me. And I Know I’m not on my own with this.

For balance I’ve over bought on many an occasion and helped folk out. And actually this year the loyalty rules may well have worked against me - so I’m not so much having a selfish moan, just more on the fairness of it. It’s a shame some folk who’ve travelled the country this year watching them, miss out on the biggest one of the lot. 

[Mounts Kipper]

4 hours ago, Traf said:

I heard they did, but they got two not 10.

But do you think they should have got priority?

Over 10k per season and zero tickets…they don’t even get a client reference. 

[desperado]

53 minutes ago, Ani said:

People did not get tickets if they did there won’t be a debate. 

I missed out on all three of the ones you mention. Despite doing double figures in away games most seasons.

The common denominator with me missing out is the queuing system - even more random bollocks than fastest finger at 10am.

Think I’m 100% on fastest finger - a reward for lots of practice 🤣

That random queuing system is really, really shit.

It actually doesn’t work - it threw me out on one of my devices today for no reason. Rejoined to be told there’s another 1000 in front of me! 

[boogs]

Im another one that missed out this morning through being kicked out the system for no apparent reason when getting to the front of the queue and selecting tickets. 

Now as it goes, a mate of mine managed to get a single ticket but has realised hes working away, so im the lucky recipient. Although im now having to go on my own having missed out on tickets for our group. I feel a bit bad about going without them, but im sure I'll get over it. 😁 still, never done an away game on my own, seems strange. 

[barrycowdrill]

The problem with a points based system is to a certain degree it becomes quite elitist. The same names a faces end up getting tickets for the majority of away games and the rest slowly but surely getting access / points here and there. Similar to how the England away process works. My assumption is the club don’t want to go down that route as many fans would then become disenchanted with away games as there is little hope of getting tickets. Particularly at this level 

I think they’re quite content with demand outweighing supply at the minute as it keeps people “engaged” no matter how many times you miss out and complain, you’ll still try again the next time 

[Traf]

8 minutes ago, barrycowdrill said:

The same names a faces end up getting tickets for the majority of away games

Like now? 😉