Moderators Casino Posted August 29, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted August 29, 2007 10 1 from 10 i'm still not happy with where they're going to put the winner of the postponed game normally, would the winner of that tie be ranked at the same number regardless of which team won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 10 1 from 10 i'm still not happy with where they're going to put the winner of the postponed game normally, would the winner of that tie be ranked at the same number regardless of which team won? Both AEK and Seville have higher seeding coefficients than us, so whoever wins wouldn't alter our ranking and the teams we could play.(i don't think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 29, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted August 29, 2007 george, i know only me and you care, but i thought it was like 1,6,11 etc so it would matter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted August 29, 2007 Share Posted August 29, 2007 george, i know only me and you care, but i thought it was like 1,6,11 etc so it would matter? AEk are currently 20th seed,Seville would enter as the number 1 seed. We'd still be the 25th but the teams ranked 1-19 would all move down one if Seville entered the draw. It would change the teams above us in our group but not the ones seeded lower. Thinking about it,if 19 teams changed their ranking on Monday if Seville lost the whole draw would have to be done again! So i would forget my original point and wait for Bert or UEfa to sort it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Site Supporter Spider Posted August 29, 2007 Site Supporter Share Posted August 29, 2007 I'm going out on a limb here and I'm going to predict a trip to Armenia. You heard it here first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest quins Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Are all the teams drawn first and then dates announced later, or do we know if we're home or away straight away based on whether we're out first or second? Really can't remember from last time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatanGreavsie Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I really can't get me head round all this malarky, but didn't someone say you can't have more than 1 team from each country in each "group"? So presumably a group that AEK would fit in might not suit Seville??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 30, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted August 30, 2007 I really can't get me head round all this malarky, but didn't someone say you can't have more than 1 team from each country in each "group"? So presumably a group that AEK would fit in might not suit Seville??? email bert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SatanGreavsie Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 email bert! better still we should get Bert on here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I'm further behind still. Who the fook's Bert? So will we know the poss 5 teams toneet or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I'm further behind still. Who the fook's Bert? So will we know the poss 5 teams toneet or not? Probably yes. Definitely will when UEFA confirm tomorrow morning. 2 years ago the groups were confirmed on UEFA's website around 9am And Bert Kassies runs this website http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seeduc2007.html where we get most of the info from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Probably yes. Definitely will when UEFA confirm tomorrow morning. 2 years ago the groups were confirmed on UEFA's website around 9am And Bert Kassies runs this website http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/seeduc2007.html where we get most of the info from. Nice one Jay Jay, I had it in my head that we would know straight after the games tonight, but I assume that would be educated guesses taken from said website's criterion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted August 30, 2007 Moderators Share Posted August 30, 2007 Right Mongy Moonmen, I've written a program to put the teams into an array and fish them out into the groups Bert suggests, as you can see there are many country clashes as things currently stand: Villarreal Esp 78.374 Lokomotiv Moscow Rus 38.920 Zenit St. Petersburg ** Rus 38.920 Getafe Esp 25.374 Atl?tico Madrid @ Esp 25.374 FC Groningen Ned 14.995 1.FC N?rnberg Ger 14.640 Dunfermline Athletic ** Sco 10.064 FC Z?rich *** Sui 9.869 BATE Borisov *** Bls 1.540 Bayern M?nchen Ger 73.640 Rapid Bucuresti Rom 40.255 Sparta Praha *** Cze 37.851 Galatasaray ** Tur 26.791 Everton Eng 24.618 OB Odense * Den 15.129 Standard Li?ge ** Bel 14.594 Rapid Wien @ Aut 10.104 Metalist Kharkiv Ukr 9.726 Tampere United *** Fin 2.420 Ajax *** Ned 65.995 Real Zaragoza Esp 40.374 FC Sochaux-Montb?liard Fra 36.706 Sporting Braga Por 27.107 Fiorentina Ita 21.808 Uni?o de Leiria @ Por 16.107 Maccabi Tel-Aviv * Isr 14.338 Aberdeen Sco 11.064 FC Midtjylland * Den 9.129 Zrinjski Mostar * Bos 3.190 AZ Alkmaar Ned 63.995 Tottenham Hotspur Eng 40.618 Blackburn Rovers @ Eng 36.618 Spartak Moscow *** Rus 27.920 Empoli Ita 21.808 Panionios Gre 16.415 CF Os Belenenses Por 14.107 V?lerengen IF * Nor 11.509 FC Salzburg *** Aut 9.104 Helsingborg IF * Swe 3.478 Panathinaikos Gre 55.415 Anderlecht *** Bel 41.594 AEK Athens *** Gre 36.415 Sampdoria @ Ita 28.808 Stade Rennais Fra 20.706 Dinamo Zagreb *** Cro 17.533 Pa?os de Ferreira Por 14.107 Groclin Grodzisk * Pol 11.609 FC Sion ** Sui 8.869 FK Sarajevo *** Bos 4.190 FC Basel ** Sui 54.869 Palermo Ita 42.808 Heerenveen Ned 35.995 Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk ** Ukr 29.726 CSKA Sofia ** Bul 20.112 Toulouse FC *** Fra 17.706 Mlad? Boleslav Cze 13.851 FC Twente Enschede Ned 12.995 AE Larissa Gre 8.415 AIK Stockholm * Swe 4.478 RC Lens @ Fra 51.706 Club Brugge Bel 45.594 Hamburger SV @ Ger 34.640 Austria Wien ** Aut 30.104 Hapoel Tel-Aviv ** Isr 19.338 Litex Lovech * Bul 19.112 Petrzalka Bratislava * Svk 13.575 Otelul Galati @ Rom 13.255 AaB Aalborg @ Den 7.129 IF Elfsborg *** Swe 4.478 Girondins Bordeaux Fra 49.706 Bayer Leverkusen Ger 45.640 Dinamo Bucuresti *** Rom 34.255 Bolton Wanderers Eng 32.618 Red Star Belgrade *** Srb 19.256 FC K?benhavn *** Den 19.129 Aris Thessaloniki Gre 13.415 CFR Cluj ** Rom 13.255 Fredrikstad FK ** Nor 6.509 SK Brann Bergen * Nor 6.509 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jules_darby Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Right Mongy Moonmen, I've written a program to put the teams into an array and fish them out into the groups Bert suggests, as you can see there are many country clashes as things currently stand: Well, that's me covered then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Very good,Carlos. But 3 of those teams have got knocked out already this evening (Cluj,Maccabi Tel-Aviv and Otelul Galati ) With all the shock results and teams from the same countries in the groups,Bert is going to have to sort it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted August 30, 2007 Moderators Share Posted August 30, 2007 Very good,Carlos. But 3 of those teams have got knocked out already this evening (Cluj,Maccabi Tel-Aviv and Otelul Galati ) With all the shock results and teams from the same countries in the groups,Bert is going to have to sort it out. No George, like I said, I've written a program so when I get home tonight (about half 10) I can enter the up to date info and produce a new list in milliseconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 30, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted August 30, 2007 i think carlos is a great guy pm me with your travel itinerary will you these others don't deserve you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Carlos Posted August 30, 2007 Moderators Share Posted August 30, 2007 I'll post it in VVVITK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Top work there, Carlos! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 No George, like I said, I've written a program so when I get home tonight (about half 10) I can enter the up to date info and produce a new list in milliseconds. I see. Just the problem of what to do with groups with teams from the same countries in.But better than not having a list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators Casino Posted August 30, 2007 Author Moderators Share Posted August 30, 2007 http://www.uefa.com/competitions/uefacup/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traf Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 Is it still a case of 1st team drawn out plays at home in the first leg? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 I currently have the 5 teams we could play as Copenhagen Twente Eschede Groclin Famagusta one of Elfsborg or AIK Stockholm (they have the same coefficient) But like Carlos says, the groups may change. However why would they need to change the groups if the teams from the same country were both seeds or non-seeds? I can't see why as they couldn't draw each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayjayoghani Posted August 30, 2007 Share Posted August 30, 2007 (edited) I currently have the 5 teams we could play as Copenhagen Twente Eschede Groclin Famagusta one of Elfsborg or AIK Stockholm (they have the same coefficient) But like Carlos says, the groups may change. However why would they need to change the groups if the teams from the same country were both seeds or non-seeds? I can't see why as they couldn't draw each other. Now I have Copenhagen Twente Eschede Groclin Elfsborg AIK Stockholm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Cup_2007...eding_structure I have the groups as GROUP 1 | '''1''' || {{flagicon|ESP}} [[Villarreal CF|Villarreal]] || 78.374 || 1 | '''16''' || {{flagicon|RUS}} [[FC Lokomotiv Moscow|Lokomotiv Moscow]] || 38.920 || 1 | '''17''' || {{flagicon|RUS}} [[FC Zenit Saint Petersburg|Zenit St Petersburg]] || 38.920 || 1 | '''32''' || {{flagicon|ESP}} [[Getafe CF|Getafe]] || 25.374 || 1 | '''33''' || {{flagicon|ESP}} [[Athletico Madrid|Atletico Madrid]] || 25.374 || 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | '''48''' || {{flagicon|NED}} [[FC Groningen|Groningen]] || 14.995 || 1 | '''49''' || {{flagicon|GER}} [[1. FC N?rnberg|N?rnberg]] || 14.640 || 1 | '''64''' || {{flagicon|UKR}} [[FC Metalist Kharkiv|Metalist Kharkiv]] || 9.726 || 1 | '''65''' || {{flagicon|DEN}} [[FC Midtjylland|Midtjylland]] || 9.129 || 1 | '''80''' || {{flagicon|BLR}} [[FC BATE|BATE Borisov]]|| 1.540 || 1 GROUP 2 | '''2''' || {{flagicon|GER}} [[FC Bayern Munich|Bayern Munich]] || 73.640 || 2 | '''15''' || {{flagicon|ROM}} [[FC Rapid Bucureşti|Rapid Bucharest]] || 40.255 || 2 | '''18''' || {{flagicon|CZE}} [[AC Sparta Praha|Sparta Prague]] || 37.851 || 2 | '''31''' || {{flagicon|TUR}} [[Galatasaray S.K.|Galatasaray]] || 26.791 || 2 | '''34''' || {{flagicon|ENG}} [[Everton F.C.|Everton]] || 24.618 || 2 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | '''47''' || {{flagicon|NED}} [[Odense Boldklub|Odense]] || 15.129 || 2 | '''50''' || {{flagicon|BEL}} [[standard Li?ge]] || 14.594 || 2 | '''63''' || {{flagicon|TUR}} [[Kayseri Erciyesspor]] || 9.726 || 2 | '''66''' || {{flagicon|AUT}} [[FC Red Bull Salzburg|Red Bull Salzburg]] || 9.104 || 2 | '''79''' || {{flagicon|MKD}} [[FK Rabotnički|Rabotnički]] || 1.925 || 2 GROUP 3 | '''3''' || {{flagicon|NED}} [[AFC Ajax|Ajax]] || 65.995 || 3 | '''14''' || {{flagicon|ESP}} [[Real Zaragoza]] || 40.374 || 3 | '''19''' || {{flagicon|FRA}} [[FC Sochaux-Montb?liard|Sochaux]] || 36.706 || 3 | '''30''' || {{flagicon|POR}} [[s.C. Braga|Sporting Braga]] || 27.107 || 3 | '''35''' || {{flagicon|ITA}} [[ACF Fiorentina|Fiorentina]] || 21.808 || 3 --------------------------------------------------------------- | '''46''' || {{flagicon|POR}} [[uni?o Leiria]] || 16.107|| 3 | '''51''' || {{flagicon|POR}} [[C.F. Os Belenenses|Os Belenenses]] || 14.107 || 3 | '''62''' || {{flagicon|SUI}} [[FC Z?rich|Z?rich]] || 9.869 || 3 | '''67''' || {{flagicon|SUI}} [[FC Sion|Sion]] || 8.869 || 3 | '''78''' || {{flagicon|FIN}} [[Tampere United]]|| 2.420 || 3 GROUP 4 | '''4''' || {{flagicon|NED}} [[AZ (football club)|AZ Alkmaar]] || 63.995 || 4 | '''13''' || {{flagicon|ENG}} [[Tottenham Hotspur F.C.|Tottenham Hotspur]] || 40.618 || 4 | '''20''' || {{flagicon|ENG}} [[blackburn Rovers]] || 36.618 || 4 | '''29''' || {{flagicon|RUS}} [[spartak Moscow]] || 27.920 || 4 | '''36''' || {{flagicon|ITA}} [[Empoli F.C.|Empoli]] || 21.808 || 4 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- | '''45''' || {{flagicon|GRE}} [[Panionios]] || 16.415 || 4 | '''52''' || {{flagicon|POR}} [[F.C. Pa?os de Ferreira|Pa?os de Ferreira]] || 14.107 || 4 | '''61''' || {{flagicon|BUL}} [[Lokomotiv Sofia|Lokomotiv Sofia]] || 10.112 || 4 | '''68''' || {{flagicon|GRE}} [[AEL 1964|AE Larissa]] || || 4 | '''77''' || {{flagicon|SWE}} [[bK Hacken|Hacken]] || 3.478 || 4 GROUP 5 | '''5''' || {{flagicon|GRE}} [[Panathinaikos FC|Panathinaikos]] || 55.415 || 5 | '''12''' || {{flagicon|BEL}} [[R.S.C. Anderlecht|Anderlecht]] || 41.594 || 5 | '''21''' || {{flagicon|GRE}} [[AEK_Athens_FC|AEK Athens]] || 36.415 || 5 | '''28''' || {{flagicon|ITA}} [[u.C. Sampdoria|Sampdoria]] || 28.808 || 5 | '''37''' || {{flagicon|FRA}} [[stade Rennais|Rennes]] || 20.706 || 5 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | '''44''' || {{flagicon|CRO}} [[NK Dinamo Zagreb|Dinamo Zagreb]] || 17.533 || 5 | '''53''' || {{flagicon|CZE}} [[FK Mlad? Boleslav|Mlad? Boleslav]] || 13.851 || 5 | '''60''' || {{flagicon|AUT}} [[Rapid Wien|Rapid Vienna]] || 10.104 || 5 | '''69''' || {{flagicon|DEN}} [[Aalborg Boldspilklub|Aalborg]] || 7.129 || 5 | '''76''' || {{flagicon|SWE}} [[Hammarby IF|Hammarby]] || 3.478 || 5 GROUP 6 | '''6''' || {{flagicon|SUI}} [[FC Basel|Basel]] || 54.869 || 6 | '''11''' || {{flagicon|ITA}} [[u.S. Citt? di Palermo|Palermo]] || 42.808 || 6 | '''22''' || {{flagicon|NED}} [[sC Heerenveen|Heerenveen]] || 35.995 || 6 | '''27''' || {{flagicon|UKR}} [[FC Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk|Dnipro Dnipropetrovsk]] || 29.726 || 6 | '''38''' || {{flagicon|BUL}} [[PFC CSKA Sofia|CSKA Sofia]] || 20.112 || 6 --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | '''43''' || {{flagicon|FRA}} [[Toulouse FC|Toulouse]] || 17.706 || 6 | '''54''' || {{flagicon|SVK}} [[FC Artmedia Bratislava|Artmedia Bratislava]]|| 13.575 || 6 | '''59''' || {{flagicon|SCO}} [[Aberdeen F.C.|Aberdeen]] || 11.064 || 6 | '''70''' || {{flagicon|NOR}} [[sK Brann|Brann]] || 6.509 || 6 | '''75''' || {{flagicon|SWE}} [[Helsingborg]] || 3.478 || 6 GROUP 7 | '''7''' || {{flagicon|FRA}} [[RC Lens|Lens]] || 51.706 || 7 | '''10''' || {{flagicon|BEL}} [[Club Brugge K.V.|Club Brugge]] || 45.594 || 7 | '''23''' || {{flagicon|GER}} [[Hamburger SV]] || 34.460 || 7 | '''26''' || {{flagicon|AUT}} [[FK Austria Wien|Austria Vienna]] || 30.104 || 7 | '''39''' || {{flagicon|ISR}} [[Hapoel Tel Aviv F.C.|Hapoel Tel Aviv]] || 19.338 || 7 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- | '''42''' || {{flagicon|BUL}} [[PFC Litex Lovech|Litex Lovech]] || 19.112 || 7 | '''55''' || {{flagicon|GRE}} [[Aris FC|Aris Thessaloniki]] || 13.415 || 7 | '''58''' || {{flagicon|NOR}} [[V?lerenga IF|V?lerenga]] || 11.509 || 7 | '''71''' || {{flagicon|CYP}} [[Anorthosis Famagusta]] || 5.492 || 7 | '''74''' || {{flagicon|BIH}} [[FK Sarajevo]] || 4.190 || 7 GROUP 8 | '''8''' || {{flagicon|FRA}} [[FC Girondins de Bordeaux|Bordeaux]] || 49.706 || 8 | '''9''' || {{flagicon|GER}} [[bayer 04 Leverkusen|Bayer Leverkusen]] || 45.640 || 8 | '''24''' || {{flagicon|ROM}} [[FC Dinamo Bucureşti|Dinamo Bucharest]] || 34.255 || 8 | '''25''' || {{flagicon|ENG}} [[bolton Wanderers]] || 32.618 || 8 | '''40''' || {{flagicon|SER}} [[Red Star Belgrade|Red Star Belgrade]] || 19.256 || 8 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | '''41''' || {{flagicon|DEN}} [[F.C. Copenhagen|Copenhagen]] || 19.129 || 8 | '''56''' || {{flagicon|NED}} [[FC Twente|Twente]] || 12.995 || 8 | '''57''' || {{flagicon|POL}} [[Dyskobolia Grodzisk Wielkopolski|Dyskobolia Grodzisk]] || 11.609 || 8 | '''72''' || {{flagicon|SWE}} [[iF Elfsborg|Elfsborg]] || 4.478 || 8 | '''73''' || {{flagicon|SWE}} [[AIK Fotboll|AIK]] || 4.478 || 8 Edited August 30, 2007 by jayjayoghani Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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