worthy10 Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Dear Sam........ With hindsight, those were the days eh?
Theboybell Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 He is at West Ham buying the same players he did 8 years ago. Those were the days, not sure he would be the answer these days.
no balls Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Aye alreet. Dear Sam, me owd mate, I didn't mean to tell the media you were a big headed lying wanker who thought you were bigger than the club, I was just hurt. And that little Sam, he didn't mean nothing to me. Please come back and be my friend again, I need you as this God botherer is going to get me sacked off kettle man if I'm not careful. Yours in Sport Phil. x x
Bobcat Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 I think there is very little chance that gartside would ever have sa back at This club after what went one
Carlos Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 He was an arrogant fat cunt who acted like he was more important than the club and ended up more interested about talking himself up for the England job?
Mounts Kipper Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) The solution is for Owen Coyle to change his formation and his phillosophy until LCY and Holden are back, Robinson needs to be dropped, we should look at the best players to play in a 4-3-3 4-5-1 formation, the 2 centre halfs pick themselves Cahill and Wheater, the only fit left back other than Robbo is Gardner so thats left back sorted, Boyatta at right back , onto midfield, we should go Reo Coker and Muamba to give us a solid central 2 we then need a creative option inbetween the 2 central midfielders and the lone striker that could be Mark Davies/Tuncay/Pratley we should rotate these 3 to see who looks the business in that role, that leaves 2 wide players and hopefully the 2 centre mids giving us the bit of solidity we might just get away with our lack of quality out wide so we have to play Petrov as he is decent going forward, on the right hand side we have a big problem because Eagles is inconsistent and lacks real quality, so I think we have to give kakuta the nod and hope that he steps up to the plate, with Ngog up top I think thats the best team and formation I can muster with the players available. Be intersting to see what other formations and team selections other fans think might improve the current situation. Edited October 23, 2011 by Mounts Kipper
Bobcat Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 The really scary thing is....that to me that is fucking obvious...
captainmed Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Ditto. When it's so obvious to us then it should be a major concern for us all when the guy picking the team can't see it. How Robinson has kept his place this season is unbelievable. That header yesterday sums it up for me. And how he cannot see we need mamba back again is also a worry. OC- Change your football philosophy or lose your job. Your choice.
worthy10 Posted October 23, 2011 Author Posted October 23, 2011 The solution is for Owen Coyle to change his formation and his phillosophy until LCY and Holden are back, Robinson needs to be dropped, we should look at the best players to play in a 4-3-3 4-5-1 formation, the 2 centre halfs pick themselves Cahill and Wheater, the only fit left back other than Robbo is Gardner so thats left back sorted, Boyatta at right back , onto midfield, we should go Reo Coker and Muamba to give us a solid central 2 we then need a creative option inbetween the 2 central midfielders and the lone striker that could be Mark Davies/Tuncay/Pratley we should rotate these 3 to see who looks the business in that role, that leaves 2 wide players and hopefully the 2 centre mids giving us the bit of solidity we might just get away with our lack of quality out wide so we have to play Petrov as he is decent going forward, on the right hand side we have a big problem because Eagles is inconsistent and lacks real quality, so I think we have to give kakuta the nod and hope that he steps up to the plate, with Ngog up top I think thats the best team and formation I can muster with the players available. Be intersting to see what other formations and team selections other fans think might improve the current situation.
worthy10 Posted October 23, 2011 Author Posted October 23, 2011 Good post mounts! A lot of thought gone into that and I too agree that much of it seems obvious to the lay person
birch-chorley Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 The solution is for Owen Coyle to change his formation and his phillosophy until LCY and Holden are back, Robinson needs to be dropped, we should look at the best players to play in a 4-3-3 4-5-1 formation, the 2 centre halfs pick themselves Cahill and Wheater, the only fit left back other than Robbo is Gardner so thats left back sorted, Boyatta at right back , onto midfield, we should go Reo Coker and Muamba to give us a solid central 2 we then need a creative option inbetween the 2 central midfielders and the lone striker that could be Mark Davies/Tuncay/Pratley we should rotate these 3 to see who looks the business in that role, that leaves 2 wide players and hopefully the 2 centre mids giving us the bit of solidity we might just get away with our lack of quality out wide so we have to play Petrov as he is decent going forward, on the right hand side we have a big problem because Eagles is inconsistent and lacks real quality, so I think we have to give kakuta the nod and hope that he steps up to the plate, with Ngog up top I think thats the best team and formation I can muster with the players available. Be intersting to see what other formations and team selections other fans think might improve the current situation. Think you are bang on the money from a defensive / midfield point of view but Ngog up top on his own for us would be suicide. If its one up top then its SKD for me but again we would struggle to score.
RicardoComstive Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 My team to fix this horrible situation would be the same as Mount's but I'd leave Kevin Davies in at right wing. He's played that position effectively loads of times, more so in BSA's times, but will always contribute and will improve the overall solidity of team. After all, he's been there and done it and we are desperately in need of old heads who know what it means to play for the Whitemen and he certsinly appreciates that. Yes, we'll lose a little creativity but he is a safer bet than Eagles and that leaves Kakuta/Eagles to come off the bench when legs are weary. That's my take, anyway.
Mounts Kipper Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) My team to fix this horrible situation would be the same as Mount's but I'd leave Kevin Davies in at right wing. He's played that position effectively loads of times, more so in BSA's times, but will always contribute and will improve the overall solidity of team. After all, he's been there and done it and we are desperately in need of old heads who know what it means to play for the Whitemen and he certsinly appreciates that. Yes, we'll lose a little creativity but he is a safer bet than Eagles and that leaves Kakuta/Eagles to come off the bench when legs are weary. That's my take, anyway. KD played that 5 years ago my take is that he no longer has the legs or fitness or touch to play that role in short I would only ever give him 20 minutes as a sub as nuisance value, BWFC has had 3-4 years to get a replacement KD we all knew this day was coming and we have failed miserably to get a KD mark 2 that might come to bite us on the arse. Edited October 23, 2011 by Mounts Kipper
Casino Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 (edited) i don't think mounts has come up with owt special, but then coyle doesn't seem to see it, so who knows the back 5 and reocoker and muamba are obvious ngog has to play otherwise thats 4 million wasted the other 3.... well, petrov or kakuta mark davies, kevin davies or eagles tuncay or mark davies i'd go petrov, mark davies and tuncay as the best of a pretty shoddy bunch Edited October 23, 2011 by Casino
jules_darby Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Cassie; been taking sensible pills?? In with that 100%
onefinfrandsen Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 KD played that 5 years ago my take is that he no longer has the legs or fitness or touch to play that role in short I would only ever give him 20 minutes as a sub as nuisance value, BWFC has had 3-4 years to get a replacement KD we all knew this day was coming and we have failed miserably to get a KD mark 2 that might come to bite us on the arse. Another option could be to bring knight back into defence along side wheater[ i know it could weaken the back four] and push cahil into centre mid along side nrc thus beefing up the middle, or play him in front of the back four like campo did a few years back, and put fab along side nrc.
Mounts Kipper Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 i don't think mounts has come up with owt special, but then coyle doesn't seem to see it, so who knows the back 5 and reocoker and muamba are obvious ngog has to play otherwise thats 4 million wasted the other 3.... well, petrov or kakuta mark davies, kevin davies or eagles tuncay or mark davies i'd go petrov, mark davies and tuncay as the best of a pretty shoddy bunch Dont think for 1 minute that my 11 was anything special just a starting point for a discussion about changing formation because a change is overdue, I dont like the Tuncay,Petrov, Davies axis in midfield all too lightweight if played together and no real pace, for me its either or Tuncay/Mark Davies behind the main striker, Kakuta must be given a run he has pace and trickery and youth and looks the type of player to get in behind defences and we do not have that option anywhere else within the club, I think I would try Tuncay in behind Ngog as he has proven he has premiership quality and he is another who has not been given long enough to prove himdelf by O.C.
RicardoComstive Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 KD played that 5 years ago my take is that he no longer has the legs or fitness or touch to play that role in short I would only ever give him 20 minutes as a sub as nuisance value, BWFC has had 3-4 years to get a replacement KD we all knew this day was coming and we have failed miserably to get a KD mark 2 that might come to bite us on the arse. Looking at the team that finished Saturday, and like most of us thought it before this season, the lack of heart and know-how is all-too obvious. For me, K.Davies will put his heart in to it and with his presence and guile, can play a big role and I've seen no-one playing that role that can hold a candle to his game. I know he's been caught out and shown-up for lack of finesse but, for me, he's a better player to have in there for understanding and, yes ,nuisance value (especially in the position we've got ourselves into) than any other contender. And he could pop up with the odd goal. I'm sold
whitechild Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Cahill playing the holding midfielder role could be a masterstroke. He is more than capable.
whitechild Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Cahill playing the holding midfielder role could be a masterstroke. He is more than capable.
MickyD Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 A masterstroke that begs the question; who the fuck's going to replace Cahill in central defence? If your answer starts with the letter Z then you're on some illegal substance!
Traf Posted October 23, 2011 Posted October 23, 2011 Cahill playing the holding midfielder role could be a masterstroke. He is more than capable. Why? When the best we have at that role is currently not in the matchday squad? Traf, preferring round pegs in round holes.
Butterfly Posted October 24, 2011 Posted October 24, 2011 The solution is for Owen Coyle to change his formation and his phillosophy until LCY and Holden are back, Robinson needs to be dropped, we should look at the best players to play in a 4-3-3 4-5-1 formation, the 2 centre halfs pick themselves Cahill and Wheater, the only fit left back other than Robbo is Gardner so thats left back sorted, Boyatta at right back , onto midfield, we should go Reo Coker and Muamba to give us a solid central 2 we then need a creative option inbetween the 2 central midfielders and the lone striker that could be Mark Davies/Tuncay/Pratley we should rotate these 3 to see who looks the business in that role, that leaves 2 wide players and hopefully the 2 centre mids giving us the bit of solidity we might just get away with our lack of quality out wide so we have to play Petrov as he is decent going forward, on the right hand side we have a big problem because Eagles is inconsistent and lacks real quality, so I think we have to give kakuta the nod and hope that he steps up to the plate, with Ngog up top I think thats the best team and formation I can muster with the players available. Be intersting to see what other formations and team selections other fans think might improve the current situation. It's just rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic for me.I would still expect Sunderland to beat that Bolton team home and away. The massive problem we have is the loss of Stuart Holden and to a lesser extent Lee.Bolton's success last season was almost all down to Holden.Without him I don't think the current available squad can muster a team to get points off Sunderland 9 times out of 10. Reo-Coker, Muamba and a.n.other is a poor central midfield by Prem standards and not in the same class as Bolton's with Holden plus we don't have a good striker.There is no cutting edge in that team.
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