Then we will be OK!

that do yer?

 

too many Ls

8 from 8

17 from 20

 

17 from 20, soon becoming 17 from 25

 

leaving us needing 7 wins from 13

 

can't see it

the only hope I have of this at the moment is the fact that Villa, in 8 are "only" 6 points ahead

 

got to look at the table from a points/games/gaps point of view, because if we look at us and our overall performances, it doesn't inspire confidence

 

we were 6 - 8 or so points ahead of the bottom three at this stage last season and everyone was creaming themselves over how good we were. its two wins to catch up if we have a good run at some point, witch we will we will move up the table to a position that is more realistic to our standard (11th - 15th). no team apart from the big six are able to sit confidently in mid table all season without a sniff of relegation just over there shoulder. long term job for coyle was always reduce the wage budget and age of the squad and turn us into a club that can develop plays and sell on to give us funds to invest in better talent. we over achieved last season up until the fa cup semi but we may well have some great days along the way eg: thrashing stoke

17 from 20, soon becoming 17 from 25

 

leaving us needing 7 wins from 13

 

can't see it

 

Gonna be tight

 

Wigan are 99pc certain to go down id say, awful.

Two from about five, Ourselves, Blackburn, Wolves, Swanseas and Norwich.

Sunderland i think have enough about them, but the next few weeks crucial for them, winnable home games.

 

The rest, west brom, QPR, Stoke, will win games here and there to pull away. Everton wont be involved

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Fulham. They're only 2 points off the bottom three and they've only played three of the top seven teams and one of those games was against Newcastle who aren't traditionally considered unbeatable.

Lets have a look at the fixtures to the half way point...

 

WIGAN - home - Arsenal, Chelsea & Liverpool - away - Sunderland, Man Utd, WBA & Stoke

 

BBURN - home - Swansea, WBA, & Bolton - away - Stoke, Sunderland, Liverpool & Man Utd

 

BOLTON - home - Everton, Villa, Wolves & Newcastle - away - Spurs, Fulham & BBurn

 

WOLVES - home - Sunderland, Stoke & Norwich - away - Chelsea, Man Utd, Arsenal & Bolton

 

FULHAM - home - Man Utd, Bolton & Liverpool - away - Norwich, Chelsea, Swansea & Arsenal

 

SUNDERLAND - home - Wigan, Bburn, Man City & Everton - away - QPR, Spurs & Wolves

 

STOKE - home - Bburn, Spurs, Villa & Wigan - away - City, Wolves & Everton

 

SWANSEA - home - Villa, Fulham, QPR & Spurs - away - Everton, Newcastle & Bburn

 

NORWICH - home - QPR, Newcastle, Spurs & Fulham - away - Wolves, Everton & City

 

WBA - home - Spurs, Wigan & City - away - Newcastle, Bburn, Qpr & Spurs

 

 

 

Wigan need snookers and its 2 from 9 for the other places. I think the promoted teams will drop off 2nd half of the season as happens year in year out. Fulham and Stoke are struggling to fight on two fronts. Wolves have got a really tough set of fixtures to the half way point.

 

If we get to the new year on 18 - 20 points I think we will be 14/15th and will be OK. We just need to win 3 of the 4 home games.

I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Fulham. They're only 2 points off the bottom three and they've only played three of the top seven teams and one of those games was against Newcastle who aren't traditionally considered unbeatable.

 

No-one's mentioned them because they've got a banker 3 points coming up shortly.

No-one's mentioned them because they've got a banker 3 points coming up shortly.

 

That will put them on 14pts but then they have some tough old games and Europe to contend with.

That will put them on 14pts but then they have some tough old games and Europe to contend with.

 

They could be in the bottom 3 come the half way point by the looks of them fixtures

Wolves have very winnable home games there, need them to drop some points as i cant see them getting many away from home

Wigan are in all kinds of trouble, they could quite possibly get zero points from those 7 games.

Christ, there's some doom merchants on here.

Christ, there's some doom merchants on here.

 

You're right, Bolton have shown we can get the points needed and saying keep the faith will make everything OK , you choose to see it as negative but isn't it's more like realism?

 

It's very easy to see things in a certain way, even a defeat, after a long winning streak (what's one of these?) can bring people to momentarily speak without thought, but this isn't the same, we are in trouble, we are losing games to teams deemed 'winnable', when we play the top sides, our goal difference get's crushed, our luck with injuries and our fixture list have not helped, but the picture imo is almost complete, we've been in decline since December 2010, well it's actually Jan 2007 against Liverpool, however Coyle brought a period of hope ( August 2010-December 2010) but it didn't last, Sturridge and an F.A Cup run stopped our excellent start to the season turning into a season that saw relegation.

 

April 2011 saw a fall turn into a landslide, 14 losses out of 18 games, that's worse than what was viewed under Megson, we don't have Lee or Holden and we can't even get any confidence from a win, especially after getting revenge on a game that could easily be the excuse for our poor run, we may beat Everton, but we'll lose at Spurs, we have the top sides to play and if we conceded 5 goals to Man United and Chelsea at home, what will happen away? what will happen when we play in another winnable game, recent past suggests we'll see a win here and there in the middle of a run losses.

 

See it as doom and gloom, I can't lie and use words that will have no effect like KTF, ISB, because the players won't respond to it, they're not good enough and this is a message-board, we could say everything's going to somehow turn around for the better and say things which are more in hope than actual belief. Good for those who see things differently, but for me it'll be a big ask for Bolton to survive, to even get to about 30-35 points and what's worse is that we have this debt, which will make relegation even more of a problem.

Whatever it's going to be a long hard season. Can only hope that the January transfer window can bring in some decent loanees if nowt else!

You're right, Bolton have shown we can get the points needed and saying keep the faith will make everything OK , you choose to see it as negative but isn't it's more like realism?

 

It's very easy to see things in a certain way, even a defeat, after a long winning streak (what's one of these?) can bring people to momentarily speak without thought, but this isn't the same, we are in trouble, we are losing games to teams deemed 'winnable', when we play the top sides, our goal difference get's crushed, our luck with injuries and our fixture list have not helped, but the picture imo is almost complete, we've been in decline since December 2010, well it's actually Jan 2007 against Liverpool, however Coyle brought a period of hope ( August 2010-December 2010) but it didn't last, Sturridge and an F.A Cup run stopped our excellent start to the season turning into a season that saw relegation.

 

April 2011 saw a fall turn into a landslide, 14 losses out of 18 games, that's worse than what was viewed under Megson, we don't have Lee or Holden and we can't even get any confidence from a win, especially after getting revenge on a game that could easily be the excuse for our poor run, we may beat Everton, but we'll lose at Spurs, we have the top sides to play and if we conceded 5 goals to Man United and Chelsea at home, what will happen away? what will happen when we play in another winnable game, recent past suggests we'll see a win here and there in the middle of a run losses.

 

See it as doom and gloom, I can't lie and use words that will have no effect like KTF, ISB, because the players won't respond to it, they're not good enough and this is a message-board, we could say everything's going to somehow turn around for the better and say things which are more in hope than actual belief. Good for those who see things differently, but for me it'll be a big ask for Bolton to survive, to even get to about 30-35 points and what's worse is that we have this debt, which will make relegation even more of a problem.

 

 

Chain yourself to a Morris Minor then and fling it in the Croal you miserable specimen.

 

If and when the good run arrives, I shall expect to see no triumphalism from you. You remind me of Tonycee.

 

For the record, I won't be slashing my wrists even if we did go down. I would be a BWFC supporter in the Blue Square Prem. It is a calling.

Chain yourself to a Morris Minor then and fling it in the Croal you miserable specimen.

 

If and when the good run arrives, I shall expect to see no triumphalism from you. You remind me of Tonycee.

 

For the record, I won't be slashing my wrists even if we did go down. I would be a BWFC supporter in the Blue Square Prem. It is a calling.

The difference between tonycee and diddles is tc said we were shite when we weren't, diddles is spot on in saying we're shite when we are.

 

I'll still be going if we end up in the conference, but it doesn't mean we should be happy with the shit that Owen and his players are serving up at the moment.

The difference between tonycee and diddles is tc said we were shite when we weren't, diddles is spot on in saying we're shite when we are.

 

I'll still be going if we end up in the conference, but it doesn't mean we should be happy with the shit that Owen and his players are serving up at the moment.

 

 

Who said you should be happy? I ain't happy either but I have faith that they can get it right.

 

If I am proved wrong, I will lick my wounds for a millisecond and then start to consider life in the Championship.

 

In recent years, we have been experiencing a high point in the cycle. Too many seem to think that it is rapidly downhill from here. I remain unconvinced that this is the time. I have a hunch we'll be around at the top for a while yet but I have been wrong before.

 

Either way, the faith remains.

At the minute faith is all the fans have got left that tells them their team will stay up. As barring 3 games we've seen fuck all from the players or management to suggest we can.

the season is 38 games long and it is how many points you have at the end of the season that counts. some of us think we are going down some of us think we are staying up but its probably to early to know for sure either way while the gap is so small between us and the rest.

 

for the people who think we are doomed and have no way back what are you proposing to do? what is your long term plan if you were a board member?

 

my opinion is we stick with what we have we are making steps to reduce the debt plus keep us at a high level in the football ladder. if we had gone down under big sam we would have had to scrap 10 - 15 players because of the wages they where on witch could have meant us being stuck or fallen down the leagues. now if we go down we would only need to lose a handful if that and would stand a good chance of bouncing back without crippling damage.

Your couple of decent years under Sam, has raised expectations. BWFC in the Prem at all is success.

When coyle joined we had 18 from 18 so considering we are 6 games away from that total with 9 points less then we are not that far away.if we can muster a couple of signings in the new year to improve the team then we could be ok,the trouble is every other team involved around us will be thinking the same, it will come down to which manager is tacticaly aware enough to keep there team up. hope i am wrong but not sure coyle is.

bolty you never fail....your optimism knows no bounds...

 

however coyles bwfc record of 84 games..just 29 wins...15 draws..and 40 losses.. a win % of just over 34%.....

 

14 losses from the last 17 games proves to me that he has absolutely no chance of turning it around....

 

still dont let facts burst your bubble....

bolty you never fail....your optimism knows no bounds...

 

however coyles bwfc record of 84 games..just 29 wins...15 draws..and 40 losses.. a win % of just over 34%.....

 

14 losses from the last 17 games proves to me that he has absolutely no chance of turning it around....

 

still dont let facts burst your bubble....

 

do we sack him? if we do who do we get in?

bolty you never fail....your optimism knows no bounds...

 

however coyles bwfc record of 84 games..just 29 wins...15 draws..and 40 losses.. a win % of just over 34%.....

 

14 losses from the last 17 games proves to me that he has absolutely no chance of turning it around....

 

still dont let facts burst your bubble....

 

Megson?s Bolton won 23 from 84 or 27.38%. so by that stat its an improvement

bolty you never fail....your optimism knows no bounds...

 

however coyles bwfc record of 84 games..just 29 wins...15 draws..and 40 losses.. a win % of just over 34%.....

 

14 losses from the last 17 games proves to me that he has absolutely no chance of turning it around....

 

still dont let facts burst your bubble....

 

Its a win ratio of just over 24%, which would give us around 28 points, the draw ratio is 12.6% thats just short of 5 points would give us a grand total of around 33 points, if we could muster 1 more win and 1 more draw bobs your uncle good chance we would be safe.

Edited November 22, 201114 yr by Mounts Kipper

stats only 'matter' over a single season

 

and this season, theyre shite.

do we sack him? if we do who do we get in?

 

head says yes heart says no....

 

who to get in...always a tough one...i think we should have appointed hughes back

then

 

However I was made up with OC and definately felt he could take us back to where "we" felt we should be..

 

we are so erratic its frightening....we have a good set of players...but it appears the basics are all wrong....and he can't get them going when he needs to...

 

we do all realise now its going to the last game of the season dont we!

 

I do however looking at the fixtures have us getting to the magic 40 by beating West Brom at our last home game...

 

But I also did think we would have had 13 points by now.

Edited November 22, 201114 yr by Bobcat