no balls Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 He's employed by Eddie, right? The bloke who owns the club? Quote
gonzo Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 So 4 bad seasons since 2001? Yes he has to carry the can for our recent downturn and two whopping managerial mistakes. But it was under his tenure that got us to where we were in the first place. Quote
Garrp Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 with trusts gartside money davies his it doesn't matter if we like it or not, that's how its going to be it seems Quote
Ani Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 Are people saying that Gartside does not make any desicions at all ? On anything if note ? Quote
Bigtoe Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 I disagree, he gets paid a bucket load of money. On the football side we are dropping like a stone. On the Commercial side we are overloaded with debt. He has made bad managerial appointments, Freeedman a young inexperienced manager to replace Coyle who was very much the same is the most recent. Why does PG deserve to be excused from the mess ? Either he is to blame of he is being massively over paid. Just on the appointments..We pretty much clamoured for the useless one. Freedman was a curveball but his knack of working with not much and bringing through youth made sense. First season seemed like a good match. Last one and this one were disasters. Quote
Ani Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 So 4 bad seasons since 2001? Yes he has to carry the can for our recent downturn and two whopping managerial mistakes. But it was under his tenure that got us to where we were in the first place. 2? Little Sam, Megson, Coyle and DF. Quote
Casino Posted October 3, 2014 Author Posted October 3, 2014 I disagree, he gets paid a bucket load of money. On the football side we are dropping like a stone. On the Commercial side we are overloaded with debt. He has made bad managerial appointments, Freeedman a young inexperienced manager to replace Coyle who was very much the same is the most recent. Why does PG deserve to be excused from the mess ? Either he is to blame of he is being massively over paid. to be clear nowhere have i said he should be excused im not really arsed about gartside in all this i am bothered aboiut my club i think eddie davies has my club in his hands i see no advantage in pissing off davies to a point he says fcuk em Quote
no balls Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 to be clear nowhere have i said he should be excused im not really arsed about gartside in all this i am bothered aboiut my club i think eddie davies has my club in his hands i see no advantage in pissing off davies to a point he says fcuk em that's twice in 1 day Quote
Casino Posted October 3, 2014 Author Posted October 3, 2014 Are people saying that Gartside does not make any desicions at all ? On anything if note ? he's been doing the job for more than 10 years and eddie aint got shut yet presumably, hes doing a good job Quote
Ani Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 Just on the appointments..We pretty much clamoured for the useless one. Freedman was a curveball but his knack of working with not much and bringing through youth made sense. First season seemed like a good match. Last one and this one were disasters. Coyle was a disaster, if you are saying Gartside was influenced in the appointment by the fans then that hardly excuses a Managing Director. Quote
Guest Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 to be clear nowhere have i said he should be excused im not really arsed about gartside in all this i am bothered aboiut my club i think eddie davies has my club in his hands i see no advantage in pissing off davies to a point he says fcuk em I think Eddie said "fuck em" a while back Things like the shirt deal and Megson Quote
Casino Posted October 3, 2014 Author Posted October 3, 2014 Coyle was a disaster, now you're talking not many would have agreed at the time, though Quote
Bigtoe Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 Maybe but after the ginger one what was he going to do? Quote
Guest Blixa Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 Just on the appointments..We pretty much clamoured for the useless one. Freedman was a curveball but his knack of working with not much and bringing through youth made sense. First season seemed like a good match. Last one and this one were disasters. Agree with that. The usual moaners will complain whoever comes in, but at the time the Freedman appointment seemed a decent one. He left a strong Palace team for us (presumably because there was more security here) and certainly talked the talk. We nearly got to the playoffs and at times, looked pretty solid. But it all went downhill. Coyle was the populist appointment the majority wanted post-Megson. Again, it worked in the short term, but fell apart soon after. Both should have been binned before they were. We're a victim of our own loyalty. That's the lesson to be learnt here. Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 On the football side we are dropping like a stone. I'm impressed it only took a few hours to move on from blaming Dougie to blaming PG. I mean, I'm surprised because everyone knows that PG takes every other Thursday's training sessions with his focus on defending. He has made bad managerial appointments, Freeedman a young inexperienced manager to replace Coyle who was very much the same is the most recent. All his appointments (bar Megson) were inexperienced managers. Allardyce was relatively inexperienced, Coyle was practically brand new, as was Dougie, and Lil' Sam was an experienced coach with no management experience. Megson was the only "experienced" manager he appointed, and he was a twat from day 1. There must be a reason for the way he picks his managers, but let's not that get in the way of having a good moan and only highlighting the ones that support our arguments. Oh and let's not forget that Alex Ferguson was a lick of paint away from being a "bad managerial appointment". Sometimes, even the most impressive candidates don't work out. We don't have the luxury of a great deal of money, so we have to take risks on young up'n'coming managers and hope they work out the way Big Sam did rather than the way DF and OC did. Quote
gonzo Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 2? Little Sam, Megson, Coyle and DF. Megson actually worked. He kept us up. Twice. Coyle,everyone wanted him. He was the messiah for a short while. His only mistake was not sacking him sooner. DF like Bigtoe says kind of made sense. I'm not saying he isn't blameless,I just think folk need to remember what he pulled off between 2001-relegation. Nothing short of a footballing miracle. He deserves some flack now,but protests to get him ousted? Give over. Some folk have short memories. What about the rest of the board? Do they go too? Quote
Casino Posted October 3, 2014 Author Posted October 3, 2014 I think Eddie said "fuck em" a while back Things like the shirt deal and Megson fcuking hell Quote
Ani Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 Little Sam, Megson and Coyle were not good enough. None of them have managed successfully since. PG appointed Sam and deserve plaudits for that, but you can only be praised for good desicions and bad ones ignored in any job. Quote
Casino Posted October 3, 2014 Author Posted October 3, 2014 Little Sam, Megson and Coyle were not good enough. None of them have managed successfully since. PG appointed Sam and deserve plaudits for that, but you can only be praised for good desicions and bad ones ignored in any job. ian, maybe allardyce was exceptional and the only man capable of keeping us up medium term maybe there isnt anybody else that could be 'successful' that doesnt make the other appointments bad ones - even coyle Quote
Ani Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 I'm impressed it only took a few hours to move on from blaming Dougie to blaming PG. I mean, I'm surprised because everyone knows that PG takes every other Thursday's training sessions with his focus on defending. All his appointments (bar Megson) were inexperienced managers. Allardyce was relatively inexperienced, Coyle was practically brand new, as was Dougie, and Lil' Sam was an experienced coach with no management experience. Megson was the only "experienced" manager he appointed, and he was a twat from day 1. There must be a reason for the way he picks his managers, but let's not that get in the way of having a good moan and only highlighting the ones that support our arguments. Oh and let's not forget that Alex Ferguson was a lick of paint away from being a "bad managerial appointment". Sometimes, even the most impressive candidates don't work out. We don't have the luxury of a great deal of money, so we have to take risks on young up'n'coming managers and hope they work out the way Big Sam did rather than the way DF and OC did. What is PG responsible for ? He gets paid so assume has responsibilities ? I have met him and he seemed a decent bloke and everyone knows he has always been a fan, I just do not understand what he does for his money. Quote
John Thomas Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 Megson actually worked. He kept us up. Twice. Coyle,everyone wanted him. He was the messiah for a short while. His only mistake was not sacking him sooner. DF like Bigtoe says kind of made sense. I'm not saying he isn't blameless,I just think folk need to remember what he pulled off between 2001-relegation. Nothing short of a footballing miracle. He deserves some flack now,but protests to get him ousted? Give over. Some folk have short memories. What about the rest of the board? Do they go too? He hanged on the coat tails of Big Sam who made him look better than he was, whilst giving it the big i am with the FA. Then accredited our success after Sam left to Sammy Lee. The 'everything in football knows' debacle with Megson, ping pong Coyle and deluded Dougie The least he can do pocketing that large salary is to explains his actions Quote
Ani Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 ian, maybe allardyce was exceptional and the only man capable of keeping us up medium term maybe there isnt anybody else that could be 'successful' that doesnt make the other appointments bad ones - even coyle The problem we had is that people forgot what successful meant for a team like us. From where we were 5 or 6 years ago teams like Stoke and Hull have come along and are competing in the Premier League so it can be done with the right people and structures. Surely the chairman is responsible for helping putting those things in place. Quote
Casino Posted October 3, 2014 Author Posted October 3, 2014 the chairman is only responsible to the owner stoke have spent a fortune dunno about hull Quote
SnoopJohnnyJohn Posted October 3, 2014 Posted October 3, 2014 What is PG responsible for ? He gets paid so assume has responsibilities ? I have met him and he seemed a decent bloke and everyone knows he has always been a fan, I just do not understand what he does for his money. And therein lies the issue. We don't understand what his job entails, so how can any of us slate him for doing that job badly? Especially to the point of organizing a protest. Quote
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