As the most used BWFC fan site, we'd like to gauge opinion

The fact that you are the 'lone' ST supporting voice on here speaks volumes really & is a true reflection of the small minority support that the ST have amongst the Bolton fans.

 

I actually think its you who's constantly making stuff up to try and justify / defend the ST's existence, when most fans know that they are just a hindrance and I'll repeat do not represent the majority of Bolton fans and I'll leave at that as this is going nowhere.

There are 1000s of posters on here we've about 20-30 who continue to post their anti trust comments (it might be better for these fans to join and voice concerns from within) there are definitely many fans with your view and your views are valid and the Trust must try to represent all fans views. As I posted earlier I'm not a blind ST follower I just believe it should continue to exist as an insurance policy, it would also be great if it could support the club maybe sponsoring academy players or in any way that the rules allow. At the moment the Trust needs to find a better way to engage fans of differing opinions and attempt to deliver a collective message.

Edited July 9, 20178 yr by Mounts Kipper

Not sure what the latest membership stands at but think it's 6-7000 fans which is 70% of the number our season ticket holders the trust send out surveys a few times a season and that's more representative of fans opinions than talking to a few lads at the match or in the pub, if you join your views are at least heard.

 

I would encourage folk with the same opinion to join the trust and be heard it's free to join take the surveys a wider cross section of supporters opinions is needed. We all only want the same thing which is a better BWFC.

 

 

The ST has been very secretive of its membership numbers because it claims that ANY expression of interest is counted as becoming a member - ie all those who pledged but never paid their £10 to join are considered members.

 

At the high water mark of the ST's existence (following from the Legends Game) their elections as run by an independent body (the Electoral Commission) reported that they had only 2,537 eligible voters.  That would exclude all those who did not follow through with their pledges and all those people who registered their babies, family pets and whatever else in an attempt to 'boost' the membership figure.

 

See details here -

 

http://www.bwfcst.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/EMG-Statement-09.07.16.pdf

 

There is no doubt the eligible membership would have since fallen from that peak as many have quit over the actions the ST have since taken.

 

 

As for how the ST know what the fans and supporters think, that is done by surveys to its own members - I very much doubt these surveys have been professionally set to avoid leading questions and bias (whether deliberate or not).  For example if you ask 2,500 Labour supporters how they would vote a) Conservative b )Lib Dem c) Labour - then what result would you expect?

 

Until a scientifically designed survey is completed by ALL supporters (and not to just those who are already of the same mind set ) then the ST simply can't claim to have a mandate from the fans or even speak on their behalf.

 

 

Perhaps more to the point, as I am aware the ST reads Wways and Bolton Nuts, why then are Izza and the rest of the Board not on either forum and engaging with ALL the fans rather than let you face an impossible task of trying to defend them on your own?

 

I have offered them a platform many times on Nuts to speak to ALL the fans (both pro, anti and indifferent of the ST) and the offer is still there for them to take up if they will.

 

 

Take that offer to them Mounts as I'm sure we would ALL be interested in what they will say.

 

Thank you.

I emailed them asking to cancel my membership, they agreed (Mr Bridge). I still appear to be a member, Mr Izza doesn't want to engage in any discussion with folk like me (disgruntled (former?) members). I suspect no memberships have been cancelled. Once again, a joke.

I emailed them asking to cancel my membership, they agreed (Mr Bridge). I still appear to be a member, Mr Izza doesn't want to engage in any discussion with folk like me (disgruntled (former?) members). I suspect no memberships have been cancelled. Once again, a joke.

i suppose that the board can't engage with everyone but I'll ask the question if you could come to the next formal meeting to air your views just as I did of course that's if you really want to engage?

I'm done with the current board, there's no mileage in me sitting there saying resign over and over again.

I'm done with the current board, there's no mileage in me sitting there saying resign over and over again.

Not a lot they can do if you won't engage, I think your view point ( the removal of the current board) is shared by quite a few folk but it seems not enough fans prepared to get involved vote and make that happen.

 

The Trust is a democratic organisation and if new board members stand for election and enough fans vote for them then the board will ultimately change.

Edited July 9, 20178 yr by Mounts Kipper

Izza blocked me on Twitter for one comment in a conversation he was in on, if you want to twist that to me not wanting to engage then you crack on. It's all gone Lord of the Flies.

Mounts you should be a formal member on the board, as had been echoed on here before. You are clearly passionate about our club and you would steer ST in the right direction. Start a WW revolution from within ????

Izza blocked me on Twitter for one comment in a conversation he was in on, if you want to twist that to me not wanting to engage then you crack on. It's all gone Lord of the Flies.

I asked if you wanted to air your views you've refused that's your perogative but can't see how I've twisted anything.

Lastly, my views are no more important than anyone else's. If they are meeting people then hold a meeting for all members.

Mounts you should be a formal member on the board, as had been echoed on here before. You are clearly passionate about our club and you would steer ST in the right direction. Start a WW revolution from within ????

I just want a Trust that can be some sort of safety net should the worst happen, one that possibly could support the club maybe just something simple like player sponsorship, community fund raisers and a force for the betterment of the club and fans. The Trust must reflect its members views as best as possible and that's a difficult job.

 

At the moment I'm happy to try to put the positive case for a Trust. If I was a board member I'd might have toe the party line and as it stands I can air my views without that restriction.

Edited July 9, 20178 yr by Mounts Kipper

Lastly, my views are no more important than anyone else's. If they are meeting people then hold a meeting for all members.

I've already suggested an open to all Q&A which seemed to be well received but whether that'll happen i don't know as I've heard nothing since.

Edited July 9, 20178 yr by Mounts Kipper

I actually think its you who's constantly making stuff up to try and justify / defend the ST's existence.

Mounts hasn't made anything up, he's been accurate in all his comments that I've read.

Mounts hasn't made anything up, he's been accurate in all his comments that I've read.

 

7,000 ST members?

 

ST not trying to own the club -

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35437564

 

Pull the other one!

 

 

To be fair I don't think he's doing it deliberately but simply acting with his heart than thinking with his brain as he can't see anything wrong with the ST - he's their biggest fan!

  

And all the while the Izza's of the ST are hanging him out to dry by letting him fight their corner on here whilst they block people they don't like on twitter!

Just to point out I'm just as churlish and Izza isn't posting on here whilst I'm involved with the site. Works both ways if you want to act the cunt.

I'm a bit confused as to what folk expect from the st. There are numerous opinions and views and they cannot necessarily represent everyone. The only real way to get your views represented is to join and voice them and see what happens.

As for not being elected, I don't know the situation, but if no one is prepared to stand for election, then you can't complain if they stay on as the board.

Its too easy to sit here and complain.

I'm not happy with what's going on, but in all honesty, have no interest in getting involved so I'll leave them to it, and wish them all the best.

Mounts is following his heart with his head and commitment. As he says, go along, perhaps with him and sort out a common interest. Who knows what might happen.

7,000 ST members?

 

ST not trying to own the club -

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35437564

 

Pull the other one!

 

 

To be fair I don't think he's doing it deliberately but simply acting with his heart than thinking with his brain as he can't see anything wrong with the ST - he's their biggest fan!

 

And all the while the Izza's of the ST are hanging him out to dry by letting him fight their corner on here whilst they block people they don't like on twitter!

He said 6-7,000 members, that was accurate to what had been reported when the trust was being set up, whether that is still correct today is another thing as no official figures that I have seen has been reported since

 

As for taking over the club, it's no secret that the trust asked for preferential bidders status in Jan of 2016, that was why they were set up, during a time when no clear ownership was established & we were in real threat of not being in existence.

 

Since then they have done many things wrong in my eyes, though I can't be arsed listing the long list. I'm also no fan of those that haven't been properly elected, nor the way on many occassions that they have conducted themselves poorly, outside their mandate.

 

As for yourself, all I can see is someone who seems to have an axe to grind because they haven't let you play & snubbed your offers of being part of playing 'football manager'. That may or may not be accurate, but that's how you've come across from the comments I've read.

Bowtun Baked you saying Mounts doesn't make stuff up - so you really think we have 6,000-7,000 ST members ? - how do you know that everything that he posts is 100% accurate, do you sit on his shoulder ?

 

He spouts as much general shite as the rest of us do on here in his support of the ST- I don't dislike MK, far from it, If its who I think it is I know him from the 80's / 90's as I knew / still know a few of the L/H lads from that time (worked with many) as we used to meet up with them regularly at many games back them (Vulcan / Deane lads) and even away from football

 

I just happen to totally disagree with him in regards to the ST

Bowtun Baked you saying Mounts doesn't make stuff up - so you really think we have 6,000-7,000 ST members ? - how do you know that everything that he posts is 100% accurate, do you sit on his shoulder ?

 

He spouts as much general shite as the rest of us do on here in his support of the ST- I don't dislike MK, far from it, If its who I think it is I know him from the 80's / 90's as I knew / still know a few of the L/H lads from that time (worked with many) as we used to meet up with them regularly at many games back them (Vulcan / Deane lads) and even away from football

 

I just happen to totally disagree with him in regards to the ST

I've replied above, anything he's said, I've seen reported also. Therefore, I'm just saying he's not making it up, that's all. He's just stating what he's seen, & there's nothing wrong with not agreeing with him.

 

I don't know him, though I know who he is & he's obviously read a lot about the ST & engaged with them for the reasons he's expressed, & there's nothing wrong with that either.

 

I've also read a lot about the ST, but I don't like what they are currently doing, nor the behaviour of those on the current unelected board, though I do get mounts stand point.

Bowtun Baked you saying Mounts doesn't make stuff up - so you really think we have 6,000-7,000 ST members ? - how do you know that everything that he posts is 100% accurate, do you sit on his shoulder ?

 

He spouts as much general shite as the rest of us do on here in his support of the ST- I don't dislike MK, far from it, If its who I think it is I know him from the 80's / 90's as I knew / still know a few of the L/H lads from that time (worked with many) as we used to meet up with them regularly at many games back them (Vulcan / Deane lads) and even away from football

 

I just happen to totally disagree with him in regards to the ST

 

If I have said anything that's not true it would be genuine mistake, nothing wrong with disagreeing with my view as for Vulcan lads from up Deane some top lads amongst them I guess you might be Jeeby?

MK - just sent you a PM (well I think I did / tried too), I don't post much and to be honest I'm a dinosaur in regards to stuff like this (forums etc)

MK - just sent you a PM (well I think I did / tried too), I don't post much and to be honest I'm a dinosaur in regards to stuff like this (forums etc)

Got your message and replied pal. Good to hear from you been a long long time.????

He said 6-7,000 members, that was accurate to what had been reported when the trust was being set up, whether that is still correct today is another thing as no official figures that I have seen has been reported since

 

As for taking over the club, it's no secret that the trust asked for preferential bidders status in Jan of 2016, that was why they were set up, during a time when no clear ownership was established & we were in real threat of not being in existence.

 

Since then they have done many things wrong in my eyes, though I can't be arsed listing the long list. I'm also no fan of those that haven't been properly elected, nor the way on many occassions that they have conducted themselves poorly, outside their mandate.

 

As for yourself, all I can see is someone who seems to have an axe to grind because they haven't let you play & snubbed your offers of being part of playing 'football manager'. That may or may not be accurate, but that's how you've come across from the comments I've read.

 

 

Are you for real?

 

I've posted a link to an OFFICIAL SUPPORTERS TRUST DOCUMENT that states as at the 9th July, 2016 that their membership entitled to vote was only 2,537 - a far cry from the fake membership numbers the ST trotted out at the time and a far cry from Mounts 6-7,000 members he's been 'told' they have.

 

I would hazard a guess that many of those 2,537 (which was just a few weeks after the Legends Game) have since had a change of mind about supporting them as can be evidenced by the almost unanimous view of them on here and social media generally everywhere else!

 

Here's the link again, perhaps if you read it the first time I posted it, rather than posted what you did  you wouldn't have made yourself look somewhat stupid. 

 

http://www.bwfcst.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/EMG-Statement-09.07.16.pdf

 

As for the ST seeking club ownership - I posted that link up because Mounts keeps saying he doesn't believe that is the ST's intent - even though they are on record of already attempting it!!!

 

As for an axe to grind - I don't have one. 

 

I certainly don't want to play at being Football Manager with them - whatever that is supposed to mean - I simply want the ST to explain themselves and their actions to ALL of us supporters and not just hide behind their closed doors.  To give them a voice to be heard more widely than their newsletter to their own members, to engage and convince those of us who are critical of them.

 

Christ they went to town on Davies and Gartside for not communicating with the fans - yet the ST are even WORSE despite their promise to be open, transparent and honest!

 

They claim to be the voice of the fans - well if that's the case why aren't they saying and acting in a way the vast majority of fans want - rather than pissed off so many of us in such a short space of time?

 

They won't use Nuts as a platform - they've made that clear by snubbing us all these many times - nor will they come on here and explain, listen and defend their actions on here either - they clearly don't want to listen to views they don't like, nor bothered to communicate with anyone other than their own circle.

 

They've thrown poor Mounts under the bus rather than step on here and back him up.

 

Mounts can't see it though, nor he ever will I suspect.

 

More fool him.

God your a patronising get.

Are you for real?

 

I've posted a link to an OFFICIAL SUPPORTERS TRUST DOCUMENT that states as at the 9th July, 2016 that their membership entitled to vote was only 2,537 - a far cry from the fake membership numbers the ST trotted out at the time and a far cry from Mounts 6-7,000 members he's been 'told' they have.

 

I would hazard a guess that many of those 2,537 (which was just a few weeks after the Legends Game) have since had a change of mind about supporting them as can be evidenced by the almost unanimous view of them on here and social media generally everywhere else!

 

Here's the link again, perhaps if you read it the first time I posted it, rather than posted what you did you wouldn't have made yourself look somewhat stupid.

 

http://www.bwfcst.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/EMG-Statement-09.07.16.pdf

 

As for the ST seeking club ownership - I posted that link up because Mounts keeps saying he doesn't believe that is the ST's intent - even though they are on record of already attempting it!!!

 

As for an axe to grind - I don't have one.

 

I certainly don't want to play at being Football Manager with them - whatever that is supposed to mean - I simply want the ST to explain themselves and their actions to ALL of us supporters and not just hide behind their closed doors. To give them a voice to be heard more widely than their newsletter to their own members, to engage and convince those of us who are critical of them.

 

Christ they went to town on Davies and Gartside for not communicating with the fans - yet the ST are even WORSE despite their promise to be open, transparent and honest!

 

They claim to be the voice of the fans - well if that's the case why aren't they saying and acting in a way the vast majority of fans want - rather than pissed off so many of us in such a short space of time?

 

They won't use Nuts as a platform - they've made that clear by snubbing us all these many times - nor will they come on here and explain, listen and defend their actions on here either - they clearly don't want to listen to views they don't like, nor bothered to communicate with anyone other than their own circle.

 

They've thrown poor Mounts under the bus rather than step on here and back him up.

 

Mounts can't see it though, nor he ever will I suspect.

 

More fool him.

Do you know what an 'eligible' member for the vote was?

 

I see you're still pushing your main gripe about not being chosen to play, again!

 

Are you sure you haven't got an axe to grind over your offer being snubbed? Because it sounds like it, again.