As the most used BWFC fan site, we'd like to gauge opinion

Actually looking forward to hotel bar this season

if having fanzone opened made commercial sense, it would be open

 

even Kens harshest critic would agree a hard nosed fcuker who sees pound signs at the slightest opportunity

 

 

its a shame because its not just the direct impact of it being open that needs to be considered

 

difficult one for the club

 

 

fwiw, i found it a bit shit on the odd occasion i went in

 

too big and too sober if i'm honest

Shearer's bar at Newcastle always full whenever I've been. Can't see why the fanzone shouldn't be the same.

 

Just to put things in context a little.

 

The ST are sponsoring five players, which I would guess equates to say £10,000.

 

Madine alone is probably on about £10,000 PER WEEK.

 

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And since when has 31 year old Filipe Morais been a young academy player?

 

Aren't they contradicting their own stated aims somewhat here?

 

 

Even if the gesture was well intended it has been spoiled by the unnecessary and ceaseless rhetoric from the ST about 'holding the club to account'.

 

Why even say that when the story is about sponsoring players?

 

It was totally uncalled for - yet they said it.

 

Seems to me they have a fixation about this that underlines everything that is being done at the club.

 

They paid for the young players' sponsorship and the club threw Morais in as a sweetener.

Sponsoring a first team player costs a grand plus vat.

Fanzone was hardly Mary Ds, it often felt like it tried to be a sanitised version though.

 

Be one thing or another... If the idea is to get folk in and paying a few quid do it. Sell cans in plastic pots, put some tunes on, play an old match on the OHP.

 

It's like a middle class social club masquerading as the Phoenix

 

Sure it could be quite profitable

The problem you'll have is that it will have to be shut for the majority of December for Christmas parties and then for any other functions or events, which seem to be happening more regularly.

 

Therefore people will get miffed about it being unreliable and shut half the time.

They paid for the young players' sponsorship and the club threw Morais in as a sweetener.

 

Thanks for clarifying that, I couldn't see how Morais would be tied in with sponsoring academy players which was their stated aim.

 

However I am now a bit confused as to whom it is who is actually paying for the sponsorship.

 

I had thought from Iles's article that it was the ST themselves that had paid for this (indeed you also say they paid in your reply above) but reading the ST Newsletter it reads as though they have not?

 

"One of the most important and exciting new projects is the launch of the Academy Fund".

 

"This new fund is entirely separate from the Supporters' Trust membership fees and we will be in touch very soon to explain exactly how it will work and how you can donate".

 

Are they saying that they will be seeking all the money by asking ST members to donate rather than they dip into their own funds?

 

Is it a bit like Holdsworth buying the club but not using any money of his own to do so - type thing?

 

If so will it mean future things like the Fanzone being funded by ST members donating separately to this and the ST's other initiatives as well?

 

Seems very presumptuous if so?

 

Or are they saying they have already paid the sponsorship (from non membership fee money?) - which was the way I had initially read the article - and will now be seeking further donations (from ST members) for sponsoring even more academy players - and will be doing similar things for Fanzone etc?

Edited August 4, 20178 yr by Sluffy

If I want to pump money into the club, I'll do it myself rather than through a fat middleman. Thanks all the same.

Or are they saying they have already paid the sponsorship (from non membership fee money?) - which was the way I had initially read the article - and will now be seeking further donations (from ST members) for sponsoring even more academy players - and will be doing similar things for Fanzone etc?

 

They had financial backing and sponsorship from the very start. Bolton at Home, Bolton Uni, etc, etc. That money was deposited in an account and sits there. I can only presume they used some of this. Which seems fair enough. But I could be wrong.

Thanks for clarifying that, I couldn't see how Morais would be tied in with sponsoring academy players which was their stated aim.

 

However I am now a bit confused as to whom it is who is actually paying for the sponsorship.

 

I had thought from Iles's article that it was the ST themselves that had paid for this (indeed you also say they paid in your reply above) but reading the ST Newsletter it reads as though they have not?

 

"One of the most important and exciting new projects is the launch of the Academy Fund".

 

"This new fund is entirely separate from the Supporters' Trust membership fees and we will be in touch very soon to explain exactly how it will work and how you can donate".

 

Are they saying that they will be seeking all the money by asking ST members to donate rather than they dip into their own funds?

 

Is it a bit like Holdsworth buying the club but not using any money of his own to do so - type thing?

 

If so will it mean future things like the Fanzone being funded by ST members donating separately to this and the ST's other initiatives as well?

 

Seems very presumptuous if so?

 

Or are they saying they have already paid the sponsorship (from non membership fee money?) - which was the way I had initially read the article - and will now be seeking further donations (from ST members) for sponsoring even more academy players - and will be doing similar things for Fanzone etc?

 

I really can't see what the problem is, they are putting money back into the club which they care about.

If you are a ST member then take it up with them, if not then say a big thanks to the ST for sponsoring players to help stablise the club financially.

I really can't see what the problem is, they are putting money back into the club which they care about.

If you are a ST member then take it up with them, if not then say a big thanks to the ST for sponsoring players to help stablise the club financially.

 

It isn't a problem.

 

I just couldn't understand what had happened and was simply asking if anybody did know.

 

That's all.

I really can't see what the problem is, they are putting money back into the club which they care about.

If you are a ST member then take it up with them, if not then say a big thanks to the ST for sponsoring players to help stablise the club financially.

 

 

Exactly, Sluffy just looking for another angle to find a stick to beat the Trust with and cannot see the good in anything. And by the way well done on your sponsorship of Beevers.

Edited August 4, 20178 yr by Mounts Kipper

Agreed, does it really matter?

If I want to pump money into the club, I'll do it myself rather than through a fat middleman. Thanks all the same.

The Allardyce Q&A is on another thread

Sponsoring a first team player costs a grand plus vat.

Cost us £350 to sponsor one of the women's team

The trust do love our Ken after all. In their latest email they say they would like to make it clear that Mr Anderson also deserves praise in managing a very difficult situation... Steady don't go overboard. At least they seem to now recognise Ken's existence..

Full letter from the ST here if people haven't already seen it -

 

http://forum.boltonnuts.co.uk/t16367-supporters-trust-newsletter#345620

How come they are using your site? Should this not be emailed or released through official channels?

It was. Ian is just driving a little traffic

nothing i can complain about there

 

 

except one thing

 

 

not sure what wi fi and fanzone have to do with the trust

 

that is surely a bwsa thing?

 

 

if it is for the bwfcst then why not get involved with the hull date change?

Guess they've been asked by fans to check it out in one if their surveys.

 

From memory the club said a year or two back that installing Wi-Fi for everyone to use would cost 250k

How come they are using your site? Should this not be emailed or released through official channels?

 

As Kane/Chris says, it was emailed through the ST's official channels but as I'm not a ST member I never got one.

 

As someone who is, and did, posted it up on Nuts I simply linked to there as the only source I had reference too.

 

As for driving traffic to Nuts - not really the case.  Nearly everybody on here already knows about our existence (we've been going for well over 5 years now) and are no threat (and never were intended to be) to ww's position of being the dominant by far of the few remaining BWFC forums that are left - that I simply linked to the article to help others to see it, if they wanted to.

 

My intentions were entirely honourable, sorry if they may have led to some confusion though.

I didn't get a copy of the email, it may have gone in the spam bin and been deleted.

 

The security certificate on their site is out of date:

 

www.bwfcst.co.uk uses an invalid security certificate. The certificate expired on 13 August 2017 00:59.

Don't think I've ever been to a ground anywhere that has wifi for fans?

 

Can't see Bolton being the trailblazing ones to offer it first