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[Spider]

20 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

I think you are possibly misreading

Get above it and look around

Explain it to me.

what am I misreading?

[leigh white]

A Paul Hanley type write up.

Today Dominic Cummings has been giving testimony to a committee of MPs about the Tory government's catastrophic mishandling of the coronavirus crisis.

There's a lot in there that reflects extremely badly on the government, but it's also absolutely damning on the people who are supposed to be holding the government to account too.

Cummings admitted that senior government ministers panicked and said stuff like "there is no plan, we are absolutely fucked" and "I think we're going to kill thousands of people" before the first wave of deaths, and that the government's actual plan of action in those early stages was to commit mass social murder by allowing the virus to spread like wildfire.

But while the Tories were setting the country on course towards mass social murder, Britain's disgustingly corrupted and complicit press pack decided to act as attack dogs for the government, by aiming barrages of criticism, condescension, and outright abuse at members of the public who dared to raise concerns.

When the hack pack derided criticism of the Tory government's mishandling of the crisis as "hipster analysis" it became obvious to all that a large percentage of UK journalists consider their job to be defending the interests of the government, and holding ordinary people to account!

Cummings also admitted during his testimony that the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg was his main media contact, who he fed the stories and lines that he and the government wanted to appear in the media, under the veil of anonymity.

Funnily enough Kuenssberg suddenly stopped live tweeting snippets from Cummings' testimony when he revealed her role in it all!

Cummings said that the Tory health secretary Matt Hancock was so disastrously incompetent that "he should have been fired for 10 or 15 things", and he and the Cabinet Secretary told Boris Johnson that he was completely unfit for the job.

However Johnson has such a lax attitude to corruption and incompetence that he's allowed Hancock to stay in position, even after it's been revealed that he's been using the emergency coronavirus budgets as a kind of personal slush fund to distribute to his friends, family, and even his former pub landlord!

Cummings also accused Hancock of lying about protecting care home residents, and that they'd be tested before being sent back into care homes from hospitals. This definitely didn't happen, and the virus was sent into care homes full of the most vulnerable people of all, causing huge numbers of deaths.

Johnson has subsequently claimed at PMQs that Hancock made no such assurances, creating a bizarre pyramid of lies. Either Johnson is lying about being lied to by Hancock, or Cummings is lying about Hancock's lies.

Given that these three men were at the absolute top of the UK's pandemic response, is it any wonder that so many people ended up dead?

If Britain was any kind of serious country whatever then Boris Johnson and Matt Hancock's positions would now be absolutely untenable (as would Laura Kuenssberg's job as political editor at the supposedly impartial BBC).

But Britain is a country without consequences anymore, for the privileged establishment class at the top. We've got a bigoted, lying, philandering oaf as Prime Minister; a health minister who should have been fired for a dozen reasons; a government absolutely stuffed with the corrupt and the incompetent; a mediascape absolutely stuffed with people who are utterly unwilling to hold their fellow establishment insiders to account; 150,000+ people are dead as a result of the catastrophic mishandling of the crisis; and most of the country don't even care enough to do anything about it!

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[Spider]

7 minutes ago, Tonge moor green jacket said:

What????

You're the one who made the assertion that they are below average for fucks sake. If you're not comparing them to anyone, then how the fuckery can your assertion be true?

You've become far too irrational and nonsensical to have a reasoned discussion with now.

 

Ok

I’ll indulge you.

Retract my below average comment from the record and replace it with bumbling fucking morons.

That better?

[Winchester White]

What's the betting that Hancock becomes the fall guy for Johnson?

Either that or Bozo just fucks it all off, apparently there are strong rumours that he hates being PM anyway.

[Spider]

Paul Hanley must be waiting for tomorrow’s Telegraph articles to tell him what he thinks about it all.

Edited May 26, 2021 by Spider

[Guest]

23 minutes ago, Spider said:

Explain it to me.

what am I misreading?

The extent to which most (rational) people will be bothered by all of this.

 

The media, social media, twitter, this thread, maybe

Most normal, rational people? Unlikely.

Am I bothered by it? Not really.

[Winchester White]

Almost a year to the day, very apt.

[miamiwhite]

10 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

What's the betting that Hancock becomes the fall guy for Johnson?

Either that or Bozo just fucks it all off, apparently there are strong rumours that he hates being PM anyway.

Where are these strong rumours emanating from ? Have you any links to them ?

[Spider]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

The extent to which most (rational) people will be bothered by all of this.

 

The media, social media, twitter, this thread, maybe

Most normal, rational people? Unlikely.

Am I bothered by it? Not really.

Doesn’t bother you that thousands of lives could have been saved? That the government you voted for are failing under a bit of scrutiny?

This affects us all. Unless you didn’t vote or have an opinion on the pandemic.

Im fairly sure you’ve contributed to most discussions.

Thats just a bit of a cop out.

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Spider said:

Doesn’t bother you that thousands of lives could have been saved? That the government you voted for are failing under a bit of scrutiny?

This affects us all. Unless you didn’t vote or have an opinion on the pandemic.

Im fairly sure you’ve contributed to most discussions.

Thats just a bit of a cop out.

If you say so.

Could thousands of lives have been saved? I didn't even intimate that it didn't bother me. I think he said "tens and tens of thousands", with little detail arond the "how". Do we know more today than we have through the last 15 months on this thread? Can't see it.

I expect he will have added to the conversation around good government, but little else.

"it affects us all"? We cant say that is correct. How is it affecting us now?

Has he definitively said how it should have been done, aside of he and others shouldn't have been involved?

I can't see that much has been added or uncovered.

 

[Winchester White]

8 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

Where are these strong rumours emanating from ? Have you any links to them ?

I have tried to find the claim but it was in a reply to a twitter thread and since this morning it has strangely gone of the scale with tweets.

So, ignore my comment on him hating being PM until it is leaked to the Telegraph 😉🤣

[Spider]

2 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

If you say so.

Could thousands of lives have been saved? I didn't even intimate that it didn't bother me. I think he said "tens and tens of thousands", with little detail arond the "how". Do we know more today than we have through the last 15 months on this thread? Can't see it.

I expect he will have added to the conversation around good government, but little else.

"it affects us all"? We cant say that is correct. How is it affecting us now?

Has he definitively said how it should have been done, aside of he and others shouldn't have been involved?

I can't see that much has been added or uncovered.

 

It affects us all. How many foreign trips have you managed of late?

It doesn’t bother or interest you though, so I’ll not waste any more of our time 🙃

Edited May 26, 2021 by Spider

[mickbrown]

22 minutes ago, boltondiver said:

The extent to which most (rational) people will be bothered by all of this.

 

The media, social media, twitter, this thread, maybe

Most normal, rational people? Unlikely.

Am I bothered by it? Not really.

Not bothered by your government's inept handling of a global pandemic, resulting in thousands of deaths? Fucking hell.

Begs the question, what the fuck would make you bothered?

[Guest]

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

It affects us all. How many foreign trips have you managed of late?

It doesn’t bother or interest you though, so I’ll not waste any more of our time 🙃

The foreign holiday one is a poor example, as most countries can’t travel.

[miamiwhite]

12 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

I have tried to find the claim but it was in a reply to a twitter thread and since this morning it has strangely gone of the scale with tweets.

So, ignore my comment on him hating being PM until it is leaked to the Telegraph 😉🤣

So, you suddenly believe everything you read on twitter when it suits you then 🤔 😏 

This is priceless.

[Spider]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

The foreign holiday one is a poor example, as most countries can’t travel.

Have you read or listened to anything Cummings said today?

The darling of the tory fan base has basically ripped Boris and Hancock a new arse over their handling of the pandemic.

You’re not arsed because you don’t like it.

Please don’t turn into mounts.

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Spider said:

Have you read or listened to anything Cummings said today?

The darling of the tory fan base has basically ripped Boris and Hancock a new arse over their handling of the pandemic.

You’re not arsed because you don’t like it.

Please don’t turn into mounts.

I refer you to my first response, m’lud.

time will tell, but I think you are, predictably, over exaggerating the impact.

[Spider]

1 minute ago, boltondiver said:

I refer you to my first response, m’lud.

time will tell, but I think you are, predictably, over exaggerating the impact.

How long do we wait to judge the fallout?

People still argue about Thatcher.

If this was a Labour govt, I suspect the thread would be a gleeful barrage of crowing.

[Guest]

Just now, Spider said:

How long do we wait to judge the fallout?

People still argue about Thatcher.

If this was a Labour govt, I suspect the thread would be a gleeful barrage of crowing.

Well you might want to consider some of the questions I posed and suggest a few answers.

[mickbrown]

Just now, Spider said:

How long do we wait to judge the fallout?

People still argue about Thatcher.

If this was a Labour govt, I suspect the thread would be a gleeful barrage of crowing.

Old folk with covid being sent back into care homes is just fine with BD.

[Farrelli]

12 minutes ago, Spider said:

Have you read or listened to anything Cummings said today?

The darling of the tory fan base has basically ripped Boris and Hancock a new arse over their handling of the pandemic.

You’re not arsed because you don’t like it.

Please don’t turn into mounts.

Unbelievable isn’t it? 

[Winchester White]

13 minutes ago, miamiwhite said:

So, you suddenly believe everything you read on twitter when it suits you then 🤔 😏 

This is priceless.

That's not what I said you little tinker.

It was from some hack on Fleet Street so like I said, ignore as I can't find the link.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Old folk with covid being sent back into care homes is just fine with BD.

Really?

[miamiwhite]

Just now, Winchester White said:

That's not what I said you little tinker.

It was from some hack on Fleet Street so like I said, ignore as I can't find the link.

Like I said, don't believe everything you read on twitter......you guys are quick enough to diss any twitter here put in here 😄 🤣 

Out of interest, when do the rest of the government have a say on events in this meeting ?

Could we see redactions here due to privacy laws etc ?

 

[mickbrown]

Just now, boltondiver said:

Really?

Seems so.

The tub of shit can do no wrong in your eyes.