What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

1 hour ago, Whitesince63 said:

The problem is Ani, you can’t negotiate with the EU unless it’s on their terms. May and Robbins never even attempted a true Brexit, just as much of a deal as they could swing but keeping as close to the EU as they could. Right from the outset they let the EU set and run the agenda. That’s not a negotiation, it’s a capitulation and that’s what got us into the mess we’re in now. Don’t forget their answer to Ireland was the backstop which would have been even worse than the protocol which at least allowed for further negotiations to take place. Boris had to get Brexit done as promised and yes he did take a flier on being able to renegotiate parts later but that’s what happens with all agreements as they develop. Sadly the EU will not negotiate in good faith continuing to punish the UK for leaving and dissuade others from considering likewise. Despite the initial pain we should have gone with no deal but we are where we are and if the only path now is unilateral action then so be it.

So you think the current protocol was a good alternative to the terrible idea of a backstop and Boris and co did the right thing to get Brexit done,  did well to negotiate it with people you can’t negotiate with,  but now the protocol is shit and we shouldn’t abide by what they negotiated and hailed as the saviour of Brexit ? 

 

 

6 minutes ago, fatolive said:

So you think the current protocol was a good alternative to the terrible idea of a backstop and Boris and co did the right thing to get Brexit done,  did well to negotiate it with people you can’t negotiate with,  but now the protocol is shit and we shouldn’t abide by what they negotiated and hailed as the saviour of Brexit ? 

 

 

Save your breath.

His mind is made up that the EU are being cunts and stopping us doing what we like just for the sake of being bitter.

The details are boring. Wave a flag, stick 2 fingers up to Delors and throw patio furniture.

 

20 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Ramblings of a nutter. If we do anything unilaterally with an international agreement that we signed there will be wider consequences for UK trade. Joe Biden will be also be very interested. 

Remember the EU threatened to trigger article 16 first, of course you’d say that was ok though. 

Edited May 11, 20224 yr by Mounts Kipper

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Remember the EU threatened to trigger article 16 first, of course you’d say that was ok though. 

maybe they saw this and thought “this bloke is about as trustworthy as Putin”.

Who really thought this would be a good idea? Ribbon cutting and larfs openbing a new foodbank. 

55 minutes ago, L/H White said:

i'd never tire of standing on his throat watching him beg for air

rat

I'd be standing on your foot to stop you taking it off him.

Read the thread Mick, you dick.

Edited May 11, 20224 yr by mickbrown

58 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

maybe they saw this and thought “this bloke is about as trustworthy as Putin”.

Was it ok for the EU to threaten triggering article 16? Think carefully this was over covid vaccinations. Or is the question to difficult? 

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Was it ok for the EU to threaten triggering article 16? Think carefully this was over covid vaccinations. Or is the question to difficult? 

‘Too difficult’

I think the EU thought the UK were going to divert vaccine supplies destined for the EU to the UK. At the height of the pandemic things were very tense but fortunately they quickly quashed this intended move.

What we are talking about now is a fundamental non-acceptance by the UK government of an international agreement they signed. We also know that behind closed doors Bozo was telling MPs that they were going to tear up the protocol after a few months. They have zero integrity!

This is a mess of the Tories own making so they need to stop blaming others and take responsibility.

18 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Was it ok for the EU to threaten triggering article 16? Think carefully this was over covid vaccinations. Or is the question to difficult? 

They were wrong in that they didn’t follow the correct process to do so . 
mot was to maintain member states supply and to prevent vaccine sent to NI ending up in Britain 

the u turn from them on this was in part due to protests about it from the Irish government , showing that despite rumours , they are not a say as I do dictatorship ruling member states with an iron fist . 
 

they threatened to trigger it the incorrect way for member state protection as they saw it and were wrong and withdrew it . 

do you think the uk is wrong for planning  the same scenario to protect  one of its “ members” ? 

A decent opposition and none of this shitstorm happens

20 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

‘Too difficult’

I think the EU thought the UK were going to divert vaccine supplies destined for the EU to the UK. At the height of the pandemic things were very tense but fortunately they quickly quashed this intended move.

What we are talking about now is a fundamental non-acceptance by the UK government of an international agreement they signed. We also know that behind closed doors Bozo was telling MPs that they were going to tear up the protocol after a few months. They have zero integrity!

This is a mess of the Tories own making so they need to stop blaming others and take responsibility.

A simple yes or no would suffice.

Regarding the international agreement we signed, within that treaty was a clause that clearly gave the option within that treaty for both sides and for genuine reasons to trigger article 16, if the UK government feel that the EU has breached the rules within the treaty and can prove it and justify it then they have every right to trigger it. Same for the EU. 

Edited May 11, 20224 yr by Mounts Kipper

2 hours ago, Ani said:

Can not be arsed trawling through but you were saying we did not score enough goals and should be killing games off by being more attacking/better attacking you made the same point repeatable. 
People can either believe me or not or they may remember the posts themselves. 

I think you’re referring to the season before and all the 1-0 wins. We got promoted, great, but most of those games we had chances and missed but so thankfully did the opposition. This forum though is for opinions and just because we don’t all agree with yours and your mates Ani doesn’t mean they’re wrong, just different OK? Chill out pal it’s summer 😉.

4 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

A simple yes or no would suffice.

Regarding the international agreement we signed, within that treaty was a clause that clearly gave the option within that treaty for both sides and for genuine reasons to trigger article 16, if the UK government feel that the EU has breached the rules within the treaty and can prove it and justify it then they have every right to trigger it. Same for the EU. 

Sorry if it’s too complex for you😂

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

Remember the EU threatened to trigger article 16 first, of course you’d say that was ok though. 

Don’t bother MK, you’ll never get a sensible comment from some on here. They think the EU can do no wrong which is sad really isn’t it?

1 hour ago, Whitesince63 said:

The problem is Ani, you can’t negotiate with the EU unless it’s on their terms. May and Robbins never even attempted a true Brexit, just as much of a deal as they could swing but keeping as close to the EU as they could. Right from the outset they let the EU set and run the agenda. That’s not a negotiation, it’s a capitulation and that’s what got us into the mess we’re in now. Don’t forget their answer to Ireland was the backstop which would have been even worse than the protocol which at least allowed for further negotiations to take place. Boris had to get Brexit done as promised and yes he did take a flier on being able to renegotiate parts later but that’s what happens with all agreements as they develop. Sadly the EU will not negotiate in good faith continuing to punish the UK for leaving and dissuade others from considering likewise. Despite the initial pain we should have gone with no deal but we are where we are and if the only path now is unilateral action then so be it.

You are falling into the Brexiteers rhetoric of EU all bad. UK all good.

To be clear the fact the Irish border was not a major issue in the referendum lies solely with people who ran the Remain campaign. 
Like many who voted Remain I am not massively in love with the EU but voted to stay as I did not understand the alternative and still do not

We have entered into a deal that does not work and so instead of us holding all the cards we have sold ourselves short. You mention corrupt EU, out guys handling of PPE contracts was declared illegal and our PM has lied to parliament and been fined for breaking his own rules. 
The EU might as you imply be a real piece of work our current lot are as bad as any 

2 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Sorry if it’s too complex for you😂

Well I’m just one of those thick Brexiteers so what do you expect? At least I can distinguish the wood from the trees. 🇬🇧

3 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Don’t bother MK, you’ll never get a sensible comment from some on here. They think the EU can do no wrong which is sad really isn’t it?

Agree. That’s why I use the ignore function.  

7 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

I think you’re referring to the season before and all the 1-0 wins. We got promoted, great, but most of those games we had chances and missed but so thankfully did the opposition. This forum though is for opinions and just because we don’t all agree with yours and your mates Ani doesn’t mean they’re wrong, just different OK? Chill out pal it’s summer 😉.

Ahh so glad we agree that you were calling for tactical changes when we had  won 9 out of 10.

I think your tactical masterclass was 'we should score more and be more attacking and still keep clean sheet'

 

2 minutes ago, Ani said:

You are falling into the Brexiteers rhetoric of EU all bad. UK all good.

To be clear the fact the Irish border was not a major issue in the referendum lies solely with people who ran the Remain campaign. 
Like many who voted Remain I am not massively in love with the EU but voted to stay as I did not understand the alternative and still do not

We have entered into a deal that does not work and so instead of us holding all the cards we have sold ourselves short. You mention corrupt EU, out guys handling of PPE contracts was declared illegal and our PM has lied to parliament and been fined for breaking his own rules. 
The EU might as you imply be a real piece of work our current lot are as bad as any 

There are plenty remainers same. See the FPBE brigade. 

2 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Well I’m just one of those thick Brexiteers so what do you expect? At least I can distinguish the wood from the trees. 🇬🇧

You said it😂

Time for the government to take ownership of the brexit they orchestrated and stop blaming the EU or Theresa May or someone else. They signed the deal!

1 minute ago, Mounts Kipper said:

There are plenty remainers same. See the FPBE brigade. 

And as you know mate and as mentioned in my reply the hardline on either side are as bad as each other and both unhelpful in terms of moving anything forward. 

1 minute ago, Ani said:

And as you know mate and as mentioned in my reply the hardline on either side are as bad as each other and both unhelpful in terms of moving anything forward. 

I agree, and I would say it but I think the EU are at fault with regards the border issue, flexibility is sadly lacking from their side, I partly blame the current UK government as trust in them is in short supply. It’s a proper log jam where both sides distrust each other. 

Still arguing and we've got real domestic issues to tackle.

Months of beer gate whilst people can't keep warm.

1 in 4 families wont be able to pay rent, mortage, heat the house. Just let that sink in. 1 in 4.

You'll also all be feeling the pinch.

We are in a mess at the moment, and I have to see or hear of one policy aimed at tackling these issues.

Not one.

As for the opposition, they should everyday be holding the government to account on this, everyday, every briefing, every single time they open their mouth. Don't get cowed by certain parts of the press. Get people angry, because we should be fuming.

Brexit is compounding this. We know its not about economics, but let's focus on what we need immediate support with because it's going to get worse.

 

10 minutes ago, Ani said:

You are falling into the Brexiteers rhetoric of EU all bad. UK all good.

To be clear the fact the Irish border was not a major issue in the referendum lies solely with people who ran the Remain campaign. 
Like many who voted Remain I am not massively in love with the EU but voted to stay as I did not understand the alternative and still do not

We have entered into a deal that does not work and so instead of us holding all the cards we have sold ourselves short. You mention corrupt EU, out guys handling of PPE contracts was declared illegal and our PM has lied to parliament and been fined for breaking his own rules. 
The EU might as you imply be a real piece of work our current lot are as bad as any 

The leave campaign said the NI border was not a problem and an easy technological solution could be implemented. Leave voters did not care or believed what Farage told them. The remain campaign was unable to cut through the lies as it was called “project fear”.