What is that "mate" of mine Sadiq Khan trying to achieve ?

 

You lost you demented little cretin, get over it and concentrate on your job you terrorist sympathiser.

13 minutes ago, Cheese said:

We agreed and signed up to these things. It was portrayed by the Prime Minister as a "fantastic deal" at the time he used it to get elected on the "Get Brexit Done" promise. Ian Duncan Smith mocked the idea that anyone in Parliament needed more time to read and understand the actual content of it.

 

Cheese, we agreed and signed up to an initial agreement with clauses allowing further negotiation in good faith. You do seem to have a mental block when it comes to the fact that NO agreement is ever completely fixed and ALWAYS allows room for amendment as it progresses. It is also normal practise to include a “force majeure” in case of exceptional actions by one party or the other.

 

You and others on here keep banging on about “we signed it so we have to live with it forever” which is total bollocks. Try reading Clauses 13 and 16 and you might learn something. The problem is not negotiation it is the complete intransigence of the EU to uphold the “good faith” bit and like it or not that is the problem we’re facing. In fact the Good Friday Agreement itself is written into International Law and it could be said that the EU themselves are actually breaking this law by the actions they’re taking. For me the UK needs to mirror Germanys constitution which allows them to break international law with impunity regarding the EU but I don’t hear screams about that, do you?

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by Whitesince63

2 minutes ago, Whitesince63 said:

Cheese, we agreed and signed up to an initial agreement with clauses allowing further negotiation in good faith. You do seem to have a mental block when it comes to the fact that NO agreement is ever completely fixed and ALWAYS allows room for amendment as it progresses. It is also normal practise to include a “force majeur” in case of exceptional actions by one party or the other.

So it wasn't a "fantastic deal" then? 

I think the simple issue is that we were told it was a great deal, so why did they said that when they knew it needed working on?

Its not negotations people dislike, its being sold a pup.

8 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

 

 

Doesnt matter what party she is, the ruling is the important part.

Convenient eh?

But you did know didn't you?

Tell me you did.

19 minutes ago, Not in Crawley said:

I think the simple issue is that we were told it was a great deal, so why did they said that when they knew it needed working on?

Its not negotations people dislike, its being sold a pup.

You were only sold a pup if you actually believed it was a great deal.

39 minutes ago, mickbrown said:

Convenient eh?

But you did know didn't you?

Tell me you did.

I did not know who the attorney general was, but I presumed that the attorney general would be same party as the incumbent government.   

Edited May 12, 20224 yr by Mounts Kipper

1 hour ago, Mounts Kipper said:

I did not know who the attorney general was, but I presumed that the attorney general would be same party as the incumbent government.   

Good lad.

Her rulings would carry more weight if she wasn't. And especially so on such a topic, if she didn't use to chair the ERG.

 

2 hours ago, Whitesince63 said:

You were only sold a pup if you actually believed it was a great deal.

As I said, I think the issue is, the government told the British public is was a good deal.

So you are asking us not to trust those in charge, who got in power by asking us to trust them.

This is where the divergence is. 

Its also why there will be endless arguements, because of a steadfast refusal to play a straight wicket when it comes to what we....

- Were being asked to vote on

- How it would benefit the WHOLE of the UK

- Were told would be the difficulties of forming a deal (not the he said/she said nonsense feed by certian media outlets)

Obscrufication on basic fundemetals (on whatever your feelings on the EU) has left our country divided and the poorer for it - regardless of the EU. I place that squarely at the feet of the people who brought us here (however clever the campaining) and one the lead artitects is Johnson.

Pro-EU or Anti-EU it matters not, the fractured politics is in no small part to the internal battle at the heart of Conservatives and we've all had to live through this needless 'pyscho-drama' for years and years before this rather pointless endgame to prop up certain individuals who place as much value in actual public service as I do in their ability to deliever for our country.

Some folk have clearly never done a grown up negotiation in their life.

Stubborn. Intransigent.

These are as much a negotiating technique as squirming and begging.

The deal was shit and has already set a lot of people back years in terms of their chance to grow and expand. Time is the one thing none of us ever get back.

And still, not a single bonus gets mentioned.

Lets see how happy folk are when their pensions barely cover the price of a full English.

9 minutes ago, Spider said:

Lets see how happy folk are when their pensions barely cover the price of a full English.

Poor planning if you’re relying on a state pension. 😎

1 minute ago, Escobarp said:

Poor planning if you’re relying on a state pension. 😎

I wasn’t referring to state ones….

Just now, Spider said:

I wasn’t referring to state ones….

If mine doesn’t cover a full English then at least I can enjoy half a full English in peace as the majority will have starved to death so I will be quite content with my half a breakfast in spoons 😬

3 minutes ago, Escobarp said:

If mine doesn’t cover a full English then at least I can enjoy half a full English in peace as the majority will have starved to death so I will be quite content with my half a breakfast in spoons 😬

😁

Honesty is the way forward.

You’re no Tory after all.

Turns out Brexiters don't actually like Brexit. They all preferred it when Brexit was just an ideological concept they could get excited about.

 

Jacob Rees Mogg on BBC right now. #partygate is a non story and is going down the line that rules were too strict

1 minute ago, Morizio said:

Jacob Rees Mogg on BBC right now. #partygate is a non story and is going down the line that rules were too strict

He’s a gigantic, clattering cunt and is to be ignored.

He’s a fucking mentalist who calls their kid Sixtus for fuck sake . 

2 minutes ago, emus wig said:

He’s a fucking mentalist who calls their kid Sixtus for fuck sake . 

Good way to remember their age🤓

3 minutes ago, Farrelli said:

Good way to remember their age🤓

Even Frank Zappa drew the line at Moonunit and Dweezil 🙃

Why have we increased civil service headcount by 90k in the last 5 years?

51 minutes ago, Morizio said:

Jacob Rees Mogg on BBC right now. #partygate is a non story and is going down the line that rules were too strict

He’s right, except why didn’t he say something in the cabinet meeting when it was being discussed. (That’s if he was in the cabinet at the time)

42 minutes ago, Casino said:

Why have we increased civil service headcount by 90k in the last 5 years?

They were for investigating government malpractice but the police are doing it now. 

38 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

He’s right, except why didn’t he say something in the cabinet meeting when it was being discussed. (That’s if he was in the cabinet at the time)

I don’t think he’s right. 

I’ve just watched the interview.

He’s an appalling individual.

”it wouldn’t be right for me to tell people how to live their lives”

That is precisely what he’s doing.

Set aside all the Dickensian affectations and plum-throated bilge - he’s just thick as fuck.

2 hours ago, Morizio said:

Jacob Rees Mogg on BBC right now. #partygate is a non story and is going down the line that rules were too strict

So the Government breaking their own rules is ok because the rules they bought in were actually too strict ! 
If you think the rules were too strict I would suggest the areas that would been relaxed would allowing people to see their loved ones before they died or attend their funerals not to allow some public school hooray Henry's to drink fizz and eat cake to celebrate bumblecunts birthday. 
 

I know you missed your mums funeral but do not worry if you had had a party it would have been ok. This lots lack of empathy and understanding of the world is shocking. Surely even the most ardent supporter of the Tories can see that?