Politics

[Lt. Aldo Raine]

3 hours ago, Winchester White said:

Because it is is ill thought out and lacking in detail.  I like how you have cherry picked such an article for your point though, must have taken some doing.

I've no time for Novara Media or The Conservative Woman, but we've had people post links to The SKWAKBOX and "RS Archer" in here before without any pushback

[Winchester White]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

There’s literally dozens of countries that are closer, cheaper and safer to get to. Would you not take your family to one of those for 12-18 months whilst things are sorted here? Why would they go back to A country where they could be killed or imprisoned, thats just stupid. 

Perhaps. More than likely they have family here or speak English rather than French, Italian, German, Spanish, etc. Therefore they would be able to get work. Thank rule Britannia for our gift of the English language to the world.

Also, why do you think it is fair for the likes of Italy and Greece especially, take in massive amounts of asylum cases and the rest of European countries such as the UK not to? Are we somehow immune to the issue?

[London Wanderer]

22 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The rules need changing if 60% are having their claims accepted, if 1 million make the journey here per year that’s 600k, we cannot absorb that type of number year in year out. 

Where on earth did you get the 1 million figure from ?

We’ve had 15,800 arrive on small boats this year so far and we’ve 4 months to go. That’s about 10,000 who have had their claim accepted. Sounds like a number we can absorb. Not that anyone wants these boats to be leaving.

[London Wanderer]

2 hours ago, royal white said:

There’s literally dozens of countries that are closer, cheaper and safer to get to. Would you not take your family to one of those for 12-18 months whilst things are sorted here? Why would they go back to A country where they could be killed or imprisoned, thats just stupid. 

It’s your pause all asylum seekers whilst we get our shit together plan. So you tell me.

When they rock up at our shores, via whatever means. Where do you send them back to? European countries won’t be taking them from you. Not after we’ve left all 3 treaties so we can put a pause on things. 

[royal white]

26 minutes ago, Winchester White said:

Perhaps. More than likely they have family here or speak English rather than French, Italian, German, Spanish, etc. Therefore they would be able to get work. Thank rule Britannia for our gift of the English language to the world.

Also, why do you think it is fair for the likes of Italy and Greece especially, take in massive amounts of asylum cases and the rest of European countries such as the UK not to? Are we somehow immune to the issue?

Obviously you missed the part where I said for 12-18 month whilst we sort shit out here. Also if the majority speak English, (after being brought up watching Rocky like has been said)  why are the vast majority in non English speaking countries?

[royal white]

1 minute ago, London Wanderer said:

It’s your pause all asylum seekers whilst we get our shit together plan. So you tell me.

When they rock up at our shores, via whatever means. Where do you send them back to? European countries won’t be taking them from you. Not after we’ve left all 3 treaties so we can put a pause on things. 

That’s for the politicians, you know them we all moan about for doing nothing, to sort out. 

[Mounts Kipper]

15 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

Where on earth did you get the 1 million figure from ?

We’ve had 15,800 arrive on small boats this year so far and we’ve 4 months to go. That’s about 10,000 who have had their claim accepted. Sounds like a number we can absorb. Not that anyone wants these boats to be leaving.

We’ve about a million illegal immigrants in the UK. We shouldn’t be allowing 600k to stay. 

[London Wanderer]

2 minutes ago, royal white said:

That’s for the politicians, you know them we all moan about for doing nothing, to sort out. 

😂😂

So in other words, you don’t know.

Maybe best to just move on & admit it’s not a very well thought out plan & wouldn’t work in reality.

We all get it wrong sometimes. I’ve had my fair share of irrational ideas before as well 👍

[royal white]

Just now, London Wanderer said:

😂😂

So in other words, you don’t know.

Maybe best to just move on & admit it’s not a very well thought out plan & wouldn’t work in reality.

We all get it wrong sometimes. I’ve had my fair share of irrational ideas before as well 👍

Mainly trying to tell me Greece's climate officer he was wrong and you were right on how the fires started 😂

 

Anyway Australia have been doing it for years. 
 

But arguably, the most important aspect of Australian policy in 2013 was the reintroduction of so-called "turnbacks" at sea - having been used previously between 2001-03. Defined by the Abbott government as "the safe removal of vessels from Australian waters, with passengers and crew returned to their countries of departure", boats were prevented from reaching shore. There was a dramatic reduction in arrivals by sea.

 

You see turning them round is a deterrent. Offering accom, with wifi, gym, TVs money etc is not. 

[Jol_BWFC]

45 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

The rules need changing if 60% are having their claims accepted, if 1 million make the journey here per year that’s 600k, we cannot absorb that type of number year in year out. 

 

3 minutes ago, Mounts Kipper said:

We’ve about a million illegal immigrants in the UK. We shouldn’t be allowing 600k to stay. 

You said 600k per year. Year in year out.

[London Wanderer]

Just now, Mounts Kipper said:

We’ve about a million illegal immigrants in the UK. We shouldn’t be allowing 600k to stay. 

You’re on a bit of a weird tangent here. I was talking about small boat crossings in the post you quoted me in. 
 

We’re not allowing 600k illegal immigrants to stay… they’re unaccounted for. 

I’m talking about asylum claims. Of those arriving on the boats 90% claim asylum & 60% of that figure have their claim’s accepted. That’s about 10 k this year already. 
 

No wonder you’re panicking about immigration by inventing asylum claim figures of 600k mate. 

 

[London Wanderer]

26 minutes ago, royal white said:

Mainly trying to tell me Greece's climate officer he was wrong and you were right on how the fires started 😂

 

Anyway Australia have been doing it for years. 
 

But arguably, the most important aspect of Australian policy in 2013 was the reintroduction of so-called "turnbacks" at sea - having been used previously between 2001-03. Defined by the Abbott government as "the safe removal of vessels from Australian waters, with passengers and crew returned to their countries of departure", boats were prevented from reaching shore. There was a dramatic reduction in arrivals by sea.

 

You see turning them round is a deterrent. Offering accom, with wifi, gym, TVs money etc is not. 

 We were actually ’debating’ why it was that the wildfires were so much more devastating than usual. Not whether or not a human started them, I never denied they did 😂 you do love creating your own little victories from thin air, it’s very cute.

 I’ll leave you to figure out your grand master plan for pausing all asylum claims for the next year or two. Hope it works out well. No reason it can’t become the new political norm if it works 🤞We can pause all trains until they sort their shit out too. Pause any NHS treatment until they’ve got their shit together as well 👍

 RW - putting the Great in Britain 🇬🇧 

 

Edited August 12, 2023 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

58 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

 We were actually ’debating’ why it was that the wildfires were so much more devastating than usual. Not whether or not a human started them, I never denied they did 😂 you do love creating your own little victories from thin air, it’s very cute.

 I’ll leave you to figure out your grand master plan for pausing all asylum claims for the next year or two. Hope it works out well. No reason it can’t become the new political norm if it works 🤞We can pause all trains until they sort their shit out too. Pause any NHS treatment until they’ve got their shit together as well 👍

 RW - putting the Great in Britain 🇬🇧 

 

You need to read back from the start then  to stop yourself from looking silly. 
 

As for your plan of “just process them” I would love to be in your little fantasy mind one day to see what’s going on in there…..unicorns picking up asylum seekers and taking them to their new homes which have just magically appeared along with the new schools for their kids! 
 

And yes pausing operations and treatments within the NHS seems to be the norm at the moment till they “get their shit together” who’d of thunk it hey! 

[gonzo]

Hi France we are sending the boats back.

Hi England no you're not.

Ok thanks bye.

[London Wanderer]

7 hours ago, royal white said:

You need to read back from the start then  to stop yourself from looking silly. 
 

As for your plan of “just process them” I would love to be in your little fantasy mind one day to see what’s going on in there…..unicorns picking up asylum seekers and taking them to their new homes which have just magically appeared along with the new schools for their kids! 

Translated to - No I don't have the quote of you saying that but I'm pretty sure that's what happened in my head 😁

You've still not answered how we leave the three treaties we need to in order to be able to turn the boats back? We'd need to do that overnight in to have maximum time to sort our shit out as well. And what we really do with these boats? As another poster has pointed out, it really isn't as simple as you think.

Nope, not just processing. Great unicorn story though. But as we discussed yesterday (when you asked) - I have already told you and others different ways we can accommodate those that have their claim accepted. There are lots of things we can do and things that are already in place. But we have to start with the basics so they can at least start working and paying tax. 

For someone that loves telling others to 'go back and read'. You really need to go back and read. 

[Farrelli]

1 hour ago, London Wanderer said:

Translated to - No I don't have the quote of you saying that but I'm pretty sure that's what happened in my head 😁

You've still not answered how we leave the three treaties we need to in order to be able to turn the boats back? We'd need to do that overnight in to have maximum time to sort our shit out as well. And what we really do with these boats? As another poster has pointed out, it really isn't as simple as you think.

Nope, not just processing. Great unicorn story though. But as we discussed yesterday (when you asked) - I have already told you and others different ways we can accommodate those that have their claim accepted. There are lots of things we can do and things that are already in place. But we have to start with the basics so they can at least start working and paying tax. 

For someone that loves telling others to 'go back and read'. You really need to go back and read. 

RW incoming shortly with a question about gypsy caravans and labours manifesto on immigration from 1983.

[Spider]

War with France is our only option.

We only need to invade and seize about 100 square miles of land, piece of piss for Our Boys that.

Then, we send all the boats there.

Spain do it with that morrocan enclave they have.

[Sweep]

2 hours ago, Spider said:

War with France is our only option.

We only need to invade and seize about 100 square miles of land, piece of piss for Our Boys that.

Then, we send all the boats there.

Spain do it with that morrocan enclave they have.

We could send "our" illegals to that massive shithole Gibraltar, then, when it's full, give it back to Spain. 

Nobody, apart from a hand full of Gammons would give a fuck. Surely that works be a vote winner for the Conservatives

Edited August 13, 2023 by Sweep

[Spider]

10 minutes ago, Sweep said:

We could send "our" illegals to that massive shithole Gibraltar, then, when it's full, give it back to Spain. 

Nobody, apart from a hand full of Gammons world give a fuck. Surely that works be a vote winner for the Conservatives

I think we have a winner

[gonzo]

Isnt that how Australia started?

[royal white]

4 hours ago, London Wanderer said:

Translated to - No I don't have the quote of you saying that but I'm pretty sure that's what happened in my head 😁

You've still not answered how we leave the three treaties we need to in order to be able to turn the boats back? We'd need to do that overnight in to have maximum time to sort our shit out as well. And what we really do with these boats? As another poster has pointed out, it really isn't as simple as you think.

Nope, not just processing. Great unicorn story though. But as we discussed yesterday (when you asked) - I have already told you and others different ways we can accommodate those that have their claim accepted. There are lots of things we can do and things that are already in place. But we have to start with the basics so they can at least start working and paying tax. 

For someone that loves telling others to 'go back and read'. You really need to go back and read. 

Surely you know what negotiations are and how they work? Then that would be a start. That’s what the politicians are paid to do and that’s what they did in Australia. 
 

Yes you have said there’s ways of accommodating them but you again seem to forget about the shitloads of people already homeless or in temp accom at the minute. And processing them faster is still going to take months, possibly years yet you still want people to come in their thousands. 

[gonzo]

Hi France, we want to start negotiations to stop the boats.

Hi England, no.

Ok thanks bye.

[London Wanderer]

39 minutes ago, gonzo said:

Hi France, we want to start negotiations to stop the boats.

Hi England, no.

Ok thanks bye.

😂
 

It's funny watching him keep trying with this plan. Got to admire his determination.

Turning the boats back would be unlikely to survive the legal challenges because of the three treaties we are currently in. It's why it has been scrapped previously. Surely the focus should be stopping them leaving and trafficking gangs.

Then there's the added issue that boat arrivals account for less than half of all asylum claims. So preventing the boats arriving isn't going to stop everyone coming. Where the hell do we send them then? France certainly won't be taking them if we're not cooperating as part of the joint treaties. 

He'll have another answer I'm sure. Anything but admit it wasn't the best thought out plan, wonder how long it will last. 

Edited August 13, 2023 by London Wanderer

[London Wanderer]

1 hour ago, royal white said:

Yes you have said there’s ways of accommodating

Finally 😁 Can you stop asking me then when I've already answered. That's twice in the past day now. We're talking about your plan remember. You keep mentioning Australia and what they do. But they haven't paused all asylum claims. How do you propose we do it? 

Edited August 13, 2023 by London Wanderer

[royal white]

9 minutes ago, London Wanderer said:

😂
 

It's funny watching him keep trying with this plan. Got to admire his determination.

Turning the boats back wouldn't survive the legal challenges because of the three treaties we are currently in. It's why it has been scrapped previously. Surely the focus should be stopping them leaving and trafficking gangs.

Then there's the added issue that boat arrivals account for less than half of all asylum claims. So preventing the boats arriving isn't going to stop everyone coming. Where the hell do we send them then? France certainly won't be taking them if we're not cooperating as part of the joint treaties. 

He'll have another answer I'm sure. Anything but admit it wasn't the best thought out plan, wonder how long it will last. 

What a great idea why did no one think of that. 🙄
 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-64916446.amp

But like everything it’s taking time.

Like it’s going to time to build houses, schools surgeries etc. 

And no shit you’re not going to return someone to France who has arrived from let’s say Belgium. Finger on the pulse you haven’t you.

 

Anyway let’s just keep them coming, let’s try and put them off with Barges and RAF bases that’ll show them! knowing full well it won’t stop anyone.